There are three baptisms. Water, Holy Spirit and Fire

[pjharrison]

Matthew 3:11 11"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. Water baptism is for repentance. Baptism of the Holy Spirit teaches and bring you into all truth. Baptism with Fire is suffering.

 

[Deuteronomy]

Knowing that, then what do we do about this?

.........Ephesians 4
.........4 ..There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling;
.........5 ..one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
.........6 ..one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.
.........
~Deut

 

[garee]

Matthew 3:11 11"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. Water baptism is for repentance. Baptism of the Holy Spirit teaches and bring you into all truth. Baptism with Fire is suffering.

The new English version paraphrase's it as below.

He will wash you not in water but in fire and with the Holy Spirit. Matthew 3:11

Fire purifies the believer.

While I am not saying I agree there must be a separation between the temporal things of men, seen, and eternal things of God, not seen. No sign gifts needed to confirm a person has the Holy Spirit which would include water baptism. We walk by faith and not by sight

It would seem water baptism is a ceremonial law as a shadow, having its foundation in the old testament. It was used when a new priest desired to enter the kingdom of Priest . As new testament believers we make up a kingdom of Priest after the new order of
Christ our high Priest .

Revelation 1:6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 5:10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[mailmandan]

Matthew 3:11 11"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. Water baptism is for repentance. Baptism of the Holy Spirit teaches and bring you into all truth. Baptism with Fire is suffering.

John baptized converts with water for "in regards to/on the basis of" repentance, yet Jesus baptized with the Holy Spirit and fire. So what did Jesus mean by fire? The very next verse (vs. 12) says - His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

 

[p_rehbein]

Oh boy, here we go..........

Water baptism is a symbolic act done in obedience to Christ telling us to be water baptized, which serves as a witness to the Church and the world that we have become disciples of Christ. It is symbolic of the "one baptism" spoken of in Scripture. The baptism spoken of by Paul to the Ephesians is a spiritual baptism that can not be seen be either the Church or the world. This is the reason we are water baptized. I also believe it fulfills the Scripture where Christ said:

Matthew 10:32) Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

(my thoughts only)

 

[pjharrison]

Knowing that, then what do we do about this?

.........Ephesians 4
.........4 ..There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling;
.........5 ..one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
.........6 ..one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.
.........
~Deut

1 Corinthians 12:13 13For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body-whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free-and we were all given the one Spirit to drink
We were baptized into the body of Christ by the Holy Spirit.
The water baptism represents death.

 

[pjharrison]

The new English version paraphrase's it as below.

He will wash you not in water but in fire and with the Holy Spirit. Matthew 3:11

Fire purifies the believer.

While I am not saying I agree there must be a separation between the temporal things of men, seen, and eternal things of God, not seen. No sign gifts needed to confirm a person has the Holy Spirit which would include water baptism. We walk by faith and not by sight

It would seem water baptism is a ceremonial law as a shadow, having its foundation in the old testament. It was used when a new priest desired to enter the kingdom of Priest . As new testament believers we make up a kingdom of Priest after the new order of
Christ our high Priest .

Revelation 1:6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 5:10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Yes, that is what the fire baptism does, is to refine and renew the believer.

 

[garee]

John baptized converts with water for "in regards to/on the basis of" repentance, yet Jesus baptized with the Holy Spirit and fire. So what did Jesus mean by fire? The very next verse (vs. 12) says - His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Fire like salt or water is used two ways .One to cleanse the other to destroy.

John from the tribe of Levi an official, officiator baptizes with water those who desire to become a member of the priesthood of God.

When Arron baptized his children having a desire to enter the ministry they offer strange fire . The water did not convert. They were consumed as with fire but their priestly attire did not suffer . the opposite

and Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the Lord, which he commanded them not. And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord. Leviticus 10:1-3

The opposite use of fire in Daniel... it cleansed the three

Daniel 3:25He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God

Baptism is a ceremonial law as a shadow made complete in Christ, as the Son of man .It does not convert but recognizes a person has a desire to go out into the world as a kingdom of priest with the gospel.

The Son of Man Jesus who was from the tribe of Judas needed a Levite like John to perform the ceremonial old testament law before he was sent by the Father out into wilderness to begin his priestly duty as our High Priest .It is not longer typified by the tribe of Levi but after the new order of Christ, the shadow became substance.

It would appear to be the subject matter is about the ceremonial purifying. Now Jesus from the tribe of Judah was baptizing those who desired to enter the kingdom of Priests.

Again baptism has its roots in the old testament. Not a new innovation from the new testament side of the cross used to confirm a person has the Holy Spirit, as another sign gift.

For John was not yet cast into prison.Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.
And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him. Mathew 3: 24-26

 

[pjharrison]

John baptized converts with water for "in regards to/on the basis of" repentance, yet Jesus baptized with the Holy Spirit and fire. So what did Jesus mean by fire? The very next verse (vs. 12) says - His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

The fire is suffering. To refine the believer. Getting us ready to join with him in marriage.

 

[mailmandan]

Fire like salt or water is used two ways. One to cleanse the other to destroy.

That's true. Some interpret the baptism of fire like as the tongues of fire at Pentecost (Acts 2:2-3). Others relate the fire to purification.
A third interpretation is that the baptism of fire refers to judgment. Verse 12 relates to judgment. Mark and John speak of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, but only Matthew and Luke mention the baptism with fire.

The immediate context of Matthew and Luke is judgment (Matthew 3:7-12; Luke 3:7-17). We know that the Jesus is coming in flaming fire to judge those who do not know God (2 Thessalonians 1:7-8), but Jesus will save those who have placed their faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Him for salvation (John 3:15,16,18; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31). Praise God!

 

[OneFaith]

Matthew 3:11 11"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. Water baptism is for repentance. Baptism of the Holy Spirit teaches and bring you into all truth. Baptism with Fire is suffering.

"There is but one Lord, one Faith, and one Baptism." There is one Lord that saves. There is one Faith that saves. There is one Baptism that saves.

 

[MattforJesus]

Matthew 3:11 11"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. Water baptism is for repentance. Baptism of the Holy Spirit teaches and bring you into all truth. Baptism with Fire is suffering.

Baptism of the Holy Ghost and fire go together as one, for all sin must be purged with fire, which the heaven and earth have been tainted with sin so they will melt with fervent heat and dissolve, and there will be a new heaven and new earth.

Water baptism was unto repentance only when John baptized, but when Jesus died and rose then water baptism is for the remission of sins, which those that were baptized unto John's baptism had to be rebaptized in the name of the Lord.

 

[JaumeJ]

Is not the baptism of the Holy Spirit the same as by fire? Were there not tongues of fire which fell upon each of the Apostles in the locked upper Room at Pentecost?

The question has been put forth, Who can dwell in fire?" I know, but will not say here and now.

 

[mailmandan]

"There is but one Lord, one Faith, and one Baptism." There is one Lord that saves. There is one Faith that saves. There is one Baptism that saves.

There is only one baptism that places us into the body of Christ and saves and that is SPIRIT baptism, not water baptism.

Ephesians 4:5 - one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

 

[mailmandan]

Water baptism was unto repentance only when John baptized, but when Jesus died and rose then water baptism is for the remission of sins, which those that were baptized unto John's baptism had to be rebaptized in the name of the Lord.

John the Baptist preached a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins (Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3). After Jesus died and rose again, we read in Acts 2:38 - “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.. In both cases, baptism was for "in regards to/on the basis of" the remission of sins and not in order to obtain the remission of sins.

Greek scholar A. T. Robertson, was probably the greatest Greek scholar of his day. He authored a large Greek Grammar, as well as a six volume series entitled, Word Pictures in the New Testament. In his comments on Acts 2:38 he said, - “One will decide the use here according as he believes that baptism is essential to the remission of sins or not. "My view is decidedly against the idea that Peter, Paul, or any one in the New Testament taught baptism as essential to the remission of sins or the means of securing such remission. So I understand Peter to be urging baptism on each of them who had already turned (repented) and for it to be done in the name of Jesus Christ on the basis of the forgiveness of sins which they had already received.” The illustrations of both usages are numerous in the N.T. and the Koin, generally (Robertson, Grammar, page 592).

In Acts 19:2, Paul asked them if they had received the Holy Spirit when they believed and their answer in verse 3 - “No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit" reveals that they were not yet believers. They had received the baptism of John but did not realize that Jesus Christ was the One to whom John's baptism pointed. Paul gave them instructions about Jesus and after they believed Paul's presentation of the gospel and came to saving faith in Christ, they were then baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Paul laid hands on them to receive the Holy Spirit. Apostles also laid hands on the Samaritans in Acts chapter 8 to receive the Holy Spirit.

 

[pjharrison]

"There is but one Lord, one Faith, and one Baptism." There is one Lord that saves. There is one Faith that saves. There is one Baptism that saves.

By the Holy Spirit, Water baptism represents death. 1 Corinthians 12:13 13For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body-whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free-and we were all given the one Spirit to drink

 

[pjharrison]

Baptism of the Holy Ghost and fire go together as one, for all sin must be purged with fire, which the heaven and earth have been tainted with sin so they will melt with fervent heat and dissolve, and there will be a new heaven and new earth.

Water baptism was unto repentance only when John baptized, but when Jesus died and rose then water baptism is for the remission of sins, which those that were baptized unto John's baptism had to be rebaptized in the name of the Lord.

Water baptism represents death.

 

[preston39]

There is only one baptism that places us into the body of Christ and saves and that is SPIRIT baptism, not water baptism......

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I don't know what bible you are following but, the KJV tells me it is clearly required.
I know...thief on the cross. Mistake...he was not under the New Covenant of water baptism ...yet, he was still under the Old Covenant. Chris had not died yet. The NT was not in to effect...yet.

 

[pjharrison]

Is not the baptism of the Holy Spirit the same as by fire? Were there not tongues of fire which fell upon each of the Apostles in the locked upper Room at Pentecost?

The question has been put forth, Who can dwell in fire?" I know, but will not say here and now.

The Baptist of fire is suffering.
1 Peter 5:10
10 And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Knowing that, then what do we do about this?

.........Ephesians 4
.........4 ..There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling;
.........5 ..one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
.........6 ..one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.
.........
~Deut

We integrate it with all that is revealed about baptisms.

1. Since "one Spirit" is mentioned in this context, there are TWO BAPTISMS connected with one Spirit. The "one baptism" mentioned here is when Christ baptizes (immerses) believers WITH the Holy Ghost through the gift of the Holy Spirit -- "He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit" (Mt 3:11).

2. But that is not where it ends. After believers receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit baptizes (immerses) them into the Body of Christ. So this is the baptism BY the Holy Spirit.

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (1 Cor 12:13)

3. Then we have Christian baptism by immersion in water (Mt 28:19). (The baptism of John the Baptizer was temporary and only for Israel, and that is what he implied in Mt 3:11).

4. And the baptism with *fire* could refer to either one of two things: (1) the tongues of fire which came upon the disciples on the day of Pentecost or (2) the persecutions and martyrdoms of Christians in the furnace of afflictions.

5. What Pentecostals and Charismatics call "the baptism IN the Holy Spirit" (with speaking in tongues) is not based upon Bible truth, since not all will speak in tongues.