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The question IS do we love our brother or abide In HIM because we first kept HIS commandments or do we love our brother and abide In HIM because HE has first created our spirits perfect and equipped us?
Novody made it necessary for you to toot your own horn. Paul did not toot his own horn and neither do I.
In Philippians 3:7-9, we read - But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ. More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith. Amen!
Elsewhere, in Galatians 6:14, Paul said - But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. All the glory and honor goes to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Praise God!
I think it would help if you fleshed out that observation with the verse that contains those words. If you would please.
All the verses pertaining to eternal life...including John 3:16, the most misunderstood verse in the world.
Eternal life is a kind of life. It is the life of Jesus we can abide in today by faith.
The context is plainly departing from Christ while under persecution.
The context is to continue to believe, not work for our salvation.
It would be nice if you at least understood the topic of discussion before you set out to argue against it.
Believe is the condition for salvation.
Those who believe are saved.
Those who believe for awhile are saved for a while.
JPT
The is only one Gospel.
The Gospel of the kingdom of God.
The Gospel of God’s grace.
JPT
Now I know where I've seen you before. And as you repeat these same arguments there as you post here.
I will say this and shall not speak to your perspective again as experience tells me you will never concede you are wrong about what Salvation is.
I am eternally grateful to God that I will not ever understand this discussion topic as you claim you do.
Thank you Jesus.
I see, so you deny believing is required for salvation.
This explains a lot.
JPT
I don’t find all of your complicated questions in the Bible.
- Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him,
Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24
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You do realize this is a false accusation
and if I give you the benefit of the doubt an uninformed accusation. OstrichSmiling has written many times on the need for belief to receive eternal life.
Your position that belief is not a singular event is flawed according to scripture.
In John 3:16 you would to well to know that "whoever believes" is a nominative present participle portraying a single moment of believing and not a continuous one.
Meaning..... eternal life is immediately received when one believes in the Christ as Saviour.
As well, according to scripture a continuous and perfect state of believing in Christ is not even possible in our fallen state, since this would necessitate sinless perfection. Every sin that a believer commits is reflective of some degree of unbelief.
Therefore, you have placed yourself in an impossible position of attaining salvation/eternal life based on your own imperfect ability to maintain belief perfectly.
And you have made belief an ongoing work which is contrary to the gospel of grace.
You do realize this is a false accusation
OstrichSmiling has written many times on the need for belief to receive eternal life.
Your position that belief is not a singular event is flawed according to scripture.
In John 3:16 you would to well to know that "whoever believes" is a nominative present participle portraying a single moment of believing and not a continuous one.
Meaning..... eternal life is immediately received when one believes in the Christ as Saviour.
As well, according to scripture a continuous and perfect state of believing in Christ is not even possible in our fallen state, since this would necessitate sinless perfection. Every sin that a believer commits is reflective of some degree of unbelief.
Therefore, you have placed yourself in an impossible position of attaining salvation/eternal life based on your own imperfect ability to maintain belief perfectly.
And you have made belief an ongoing work which is contrary to the gospel of grace.
Can you copy and paste from any of my posts where I stated a person must “maintain belief perfectly”.
JPT
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Never said you said that.........what I said is if one's salvation/eternal life is based on one's ongoing belief then one's ongoing belief had better be perfect.
God's standard is perfection.
It is the object of our belief that saves us ….Jesus!!
He requires a one time belief in His work, a one time personal belief of the heart, mind and will whereby we are born from above.
You do realize this is a false accusation
OstrichSmiling has written many times on the need for belief to receive eternal life.
Your position that belief is not a singular event is flawed according to scripture.
In John 3:16 you would to well to know that "whoever believes" is a nominative present participle portraying a single moment of believing and not a continuous one.
Meaning..... eternal life is immediately received when one believes in the Christ as Saviour.
As well, according to scripture a continuous and perfect state of believing in Christ is not even possible in our fallen state, since this would necessitate sinless perfection. Every sin that a believer commits is reflective of some degree of unbelief.
Therefore, you have placed yourself in an impossible position of attaining salvation/eternal life based on your own imperfect ability to maintain belief perfectly.
And you have made belief an ongoing work which is contrary to the gospel of grace.
Salvation apart from an abiding faith is salvation by knowledge, i.e., gnosticism.
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Your abiding faith better be perfect because that is the standard to gain eternal life.
That's an unrealistic standard that's not supported by scripture. Abiding faith is key, not a perfect faith. Where did you ever get that idea?
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Never said you said that.........what I said is if one's salvation/eternal life is based on one's ongoing belief then one's ongoing belief had better be perfect.
God's standard is perfection.
It is the object of our belief that saves us ….Jesus!!
He requires a one time belief in His work, a one time personal belief of the heart, mind and will whereby we are born from above.
Maybe we could define what the biblical word believes means.
If the Lord told you not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and Satan told you, you could, so you ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Which one did your action tells us you believe, God or Satan?
JPT
