Is Messiah,(The Anointed One) the Father?
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How can Jesus Christ be Gods first creation according to your understanding of Colossians 1:15? Apparently you didn't read vs16, "For (or because) by Him ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things have been created by Him and for Him."
Now, to back this up John 1:3 says, "ALL THINGS CAME INTO BEING BY HIM, and apart from Him, (or without Him) nothing came into being that has come into being." So dem, how do you reconcile what you said with what the Apostle John and the Apostle Paul said? We both can't be right, what say you?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Now, to back this up John 1:3 says, "ALL THINGS CAME INTO BEING BY HIM, and apart from Him, (or without Him) nothing came into being that has come into being." So dem, how do you reconcile what you said with what the Apostle John and the Apostle Paul said? We both can't be right, what say you?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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How can Jesus Christ be Gods first creation according to your understanding of Colossians 1:15? Apparently you didn't read vs16, "For (or because) by Him ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things have been created by Him and for Him."
Now, to back this up John 1:3 says, "ALL THINGS CAME INTO BEING BY HIM, and apart from Him, (or without Him) nothing came into being that has come into being." So dem, how do you reconcile what you said with what the Apostle John and the Apostle Paul said? We both can't be right, what say you?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Now, to back this up John 1:3 says, "ALL THINGS CAME INTO BEING BY HIM, and apart from Him, (or without Him) nothing came into being that has come into being." So dem, how do you reconcile what you said with what the Apostle John and the Apostle Paul said? We both can't be right, what say you?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
read it says THROUGH HIM
God created all things through the image of Jesus Christ read read my son.
It doesn't help your course in any way, if anything, it shows two beings. You have to show us where the scripture says two persons in one being, John 1:1 is not the verse for you.
We know how the logos became flesh and we know how He was with God, there's nothing more than:
Malachi 3:1Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the LORD, whom you seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom you delight in: behold, he shall come, said the LORD of hosts.
God Himself became flesh, nothing like a part of Him coming and leaving other parts. Pie doctrine can not describe God.
We know how the logos became flesh and we know how He was with God, there's nothing more than:
Malachi 3:1Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the LORD, whom you seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom you delight in: behold, he shall come, said the LORD of hosts.
God Himself became flesh, nothing like a part of Him coming and leaving other parts. Pie doctrine can not describe God.
Right, John 1:1 explains Malachi 3:1. You'll still have to twist scripture to end up with the two persons one being doctrine. It is not in the scriptures- not in the old testament and no where in the new testament.
If you accept Malachi as an authority then it is right there; how the Father sent the son/ How God became a servant/ how the word became flesh. It is God Himself leaving His glorified authority to become a man.
If you accept Malachi as an authority then it is right there; how the Father sent the son/ How God became a servant/ how the word became flesh. It is God Himself leaving His glorified authority to become a man.
Colossians 1
The Supremacy of Christ
14in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. 15The Son is the image of the invisible God,the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.
The Supremacy of Christ
14in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. 15The Son is the image of the invisible God,the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.
Well I'm glad you mentioned the book of Jude rlm68. Did you read what Jude vs3 states? "Beloved while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith, (now watch this rlm68) WHICH WAS ONCE FOR ALL DELIVERED TO THE SAINTS."
Once for all delivered to the saints which means there is no need for other books. What your doing is actually accusing God of making a mistake because He left out certain books of the Bible. And just because Jude references the Book of Enoch does not make it scripture. So again I will ask you, give me some examples of what you mean by getting a clear picture? What are you not clear about?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Once for all delivered to the saints which means there is no need for other books. What your doing is actually accusing God of making a mistake because He left out certain books of the Bible. And just because Jude references the Book of Enoch does not make it scripture. So again I will ask you, give me some examples of what you mean by getting a clear picture? What are you not clear about?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Nice Try!!
How do you know if Jude knew there were many Books and accepted those many Books. That has nothing to do with 400 years later someone would reduce those 100+ Books down to 66.
I cannot believe you think this scripture is relevant knowing Jude wrote this when those other Books were available, and not knowing in 400 years 40 of those Books would be removed.
Are you calling Jude a fortune teller?
Surely, you are brighter than this to comprehend the time difference from when Jude wrote this, and how many Books were available, to 400 years later after Jude's letter that a council would remove manuscripts?
How would Jude know that in 400 years over 40 manuscripts would be removed?
Seriously, what are you, 12?
I am glad you listed Thomas as one who called Christ God.
Because Thomas also wrote claiming that Christ denied the trinity:
30. Jesus said, "Where there are three deities, they are divine. Where there are two or one, I am with that one."
Maybe you should pay close attention to what else Thomas claimed, since he knew Christ was God!!
Wait a minute here? Your the one that posted there are other books that should have been in the Bible and because of these other books we don't have a clear picture. So how do you know that these other books will clear up things? And since you made the statement it's up to you to prove your statements are correct. This is why I ask you to give some examples of what is not clear?
As far as Jude 3 believers must fight with all their strength to preserve "the faith" which has been handed down to them. The Greek "hapax" means "once for all," because the message of Christianity was given to the Church at the beginning; it had not come in installments. In other words, the content of the apostloic GOSPEL is fixed, not to be revised for each new era boy.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
As far as Jude 3 believers must fight with all their strength to preserve "the faith" which has been handed down to them. The Greek "hapax" means "once for all," because the message of Christianity was given to the Church at the beginning; it had not come in installments. In other words, the content of the apostloic GOSPEL is fixed, not to be revised for each new era boy.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto