Is Messiah,(The Anointed One) the Father?
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You really are misunderstanding what I said. You are mixing up the word "being" with the word "person" and the word "nature." The definition of "being" is the state or quality of having existence. God exist, period. Human beings exist, period. Person is defined as, "All the qualities constituting one that exists; the essence or nature.
There is no person without a nature and that nature for humans is a human nature. The nature for God is "Deity." In fact the Greek word for nature is "phusis" as used by the Apostle Paul in Galatians 4:8 to distinguish God from those who are NOT gods.
You also brought up the age old argument, "If Jesus is God how come He did not know the hour of His own coming?" I HIGHLY suggest you read Philippians 2:5-9 and especially vs5-7, "Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, vs6, who, ALTHOUGH (that word although means "in spite of the fact or in view of the fact) He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, vs7, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant/man, and being made in the likeness of men."
Do you know what this means? It means that Jesus Christ was God and He took the form of a man like the rest of us. Since He was a man He depended on His Father for everything and in every single area of His life. When He emptied Himself, it means that He did not take advantage of His preogatives of being God. Vs8 says it this way. "And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming OBEDIENT to the point of death, even death on a cross."
This is not hard to understand if you study your Bible. Now you tell me how is this blaphemous? The one and only Son of God dying for the sins of the world?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
There is no person without a nature and that nature for humans is a human nature. The nature for God is "Deity." In fact the Greek word for nature is "phusis" as used by the Apostle Paul in Galatians 4:8 to distinguish God from those who are NOT gods.
You also brought up the age old argument, "If Jesus is God how come He did not know the hour of His own coming?" I HIGHLY suggest you read Philippians 2:5-9 and especially vs5-7, "Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, vs6, who, ALTHOUGH (that word although means "in spite of the fact or in view of the fact) He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, vs7, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant/man, and being made in the likeness of men."
Do you know what this means? It means that Jesus Christ was God and He took the form of a man like the rest of us. Since He was a man He depended on His Father for everything and in every single area of His life. When He emptied Himself, it means that He did not take advantage of His preogatives of being God. Vs8 says it this way. "And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming OBEDIENT to the point of death, even death on a cross."
This is not hard to understand if you study your Bible. Now you tell me how is this blaphemous? The one and only Son of God dying for the sins of the world?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
First of all there are not "three separations" within the one God. There are three "distinct" persons within the one God or Godhead. Isaiah 44:24 says the following: "Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, I, the Lord, am the maker of all THINGS, Stretching out the heavens BY MYSELF. And spreading out the earth ALL ALONE."
Since you deny the deity of Jesus Christ plus the fact that you deny that Jesus Christ existed before he incarnated I have a question for you? Why is the Son identified or presented as the AGENT of CREATION at John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:16-17, Hebrews 1:10 and at Revelation 3:14 by the Apostles and His own Father?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Since you deny the deity of Jesus Christ plus the fact that you deny that Jesus Christ existed before he incarnated I have a question for you? Why is the Son identified or presented as the AGENT of CREATION at John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:16-17, Hebrews 1:10 and at Revelation 3:14 by the Apostles and His own Father?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
First of all there are not "three separations" within the one God. There are three "distinct" persons within the one God or Godhead. Isaiah 44:24 says the following: "Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, I, the Lord, am the maker of all THINGS, Stretching out the heavens BY MYSELF. And spreading out the earth ALL ALONE."
Since you deny the deity of Jesus Christ plus the fact that you deny that Jesus Christ existed before he incarnated I have a question for you? Why is the Son identified or presented as the AGENT of CREATION at John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:16-17, Hebrews 1:10 and at Revelation 3:14 by the Apostles and His own Father?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Since you deny the deity of Jesus Christ plus the fact that you deny that Jesus Christ existed before he incarnated I have a question for you? Why is the Son identified or presented as the AGENT of CREATION at John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:16-17, Hebrews 1:10 and at Revelation 3:14 by the Apostles and His own Father?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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So you agree that Jesus Christ is the one God Almighty right? I'm trying to understand what you believe because I know that in the Bible Jesus Christ is clearly identified as God, God the Father is identified as God and the Holy Spirit is identified as God in the Bible. Do you agree with the Bible?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
So you agree that Jesus Christ is the one God Almighty right? I'm trying to understand what you believe because I know that in the Bible Jesus Christ is clearly identified as God, God the Father is identified as God and the Holy Spirit is identified as God in the Bible. Do you agree with the Bible?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Exodus 3:14-15
John 8:58
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How can Jesus Christ be Gods first creation according to your understanding of Colossians 1:15? Apparently you didn't read vs16, "For (or because) by Him ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things have been created by Him and for Him."
Now, to back this up John 1:3 says, "ALL THINGS CAME INTO BEING BY HIM, and apart from Him, (or without Him) nothing came into being that has come into being." So dem, how do you reconcile what you said with what the Apostle John and the Apostle Paul said? We both can't be right, what say you?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Now, to back this up John 1:3 says, "ALL THINGS CAME INTO BEING BY HIM, and apart from Him, (or without Him) nothing came into being that has come into being." So dem, how do you reconcile what you said with what the Apostle John and the Apostle Paul said? We both can't be right, what say you?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
So you agree that Jesus Christ is the one God Almighty right? I'm trying to understand what you believe because I know that in the Bible Jesus Christ is clearly identified as God, God the Father is identified as God and the Holy Spirit is identified as God in the Bible. Do you agree with the Bible?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I know this was not directed at me, but I would like to answer this because it fits how I view things concerning the scripture.
Knowing the council some how chose only 66 Books out of the possible 100+ Books, knowing how original scripture was changed (even when God gave a warning not to add/take away from His word, knowing through translation after translation we only have a questionable idea concerning the truth since the original letters are no longer complete and some do not even exist any more, knowing this much...
In my opinion, it's when we add some of those Books left out (that are specifically spoken about from people of the Bible) we get a better and complete idea of what the bottom line truth is.
So, to ask if I agree with the current 66 Books and knowing some of the (key) verses have been tampered with?
My answer is NO!!
So let me ask you this question? Are you saying with the 66 Books we presently have that some "truth" is missing? What truth are we missing rlm68? You remind me of joseph smith the so-called mormon prophet who wrote the book of mormon to restore/reestablish the real truths of the gospel because it was lost through apostasy.
So my question to you is what can you offer me that's better than what is already in the 66 Books of the Bible? Or to put it another way, what do I need to know that is not already in the Bible?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
So my question to you is what can you offer me that's better than what is already in the 66 Books of the Bible? Or to put it another way, what do I need to know that is not already in the Bible?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
So let me ask you this question? Are you saying with the 66 Books we presently have that some "truth" is missing? What truth are we missing rlm68? You remind me of joseph smith the so-called mormon prophet who wrote the book of mormon to restore/reestablish the real truths of the gospel because it was lost through apostasy.
So my question to you is what can you offer me that's better than what is already in the 66 Books of the Bible? Or to put it another way, what do I need to know that is not already in the Bible?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
So my question to you is what can you offer me that's better than what is already in the 66 Books of the Bible? Or to put it another way, what do I need to know that is not already in the Bible?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Well in the Book of Jude along with quotes by Christ, they include references to the Book of Enoch. David in Samuel and Joshua in His Book quote scripture from the Book of Jasher.
And knowing the RCC's view on the trinity, it makes perfect sense to why they denied the Gospel of Thomas. because within the Gospel of Thomas, we have this gem from Christ:
***30. Jesus said, "Where there are three deities, they are divine. Where there are two or one, I am with that one." ***
Which gives credence to Matthew 28:19 being changed from in Name of Christ considering the verse I just posted is clear that Jesus did not follow the trinity concept.
And that verse also goes along with how the Messianic Jews view it. And we know who the Messianic Jews are, the last day Jews who finally accept Christ as their Messiah!!
And there are other examples I could list that bring the current 66 Books into question.
But one thing is for certain, if we had all of the Books, we would definitely have a clearer picture concerning several issues!!
Very well put; being- is the state or quality of having existence.
But how does three distinct persons having the same state or quality of existence one because God has categorically said there is no one with Him or beside Him?
We know Jesus is one person and one being already, isn't he? where do others come from to make three persons and one being? and even if beings can not be counted because it only means quality of having existence, why do you insist that three persons make up ONE being?
So many people can have the same quality of existence but they can not be one. When we count them, we will still go one,two,three,four....
You have said the nature of God is deity and Paul said all deity is within Jesus; does this mean you lie when you say the Father/Son/Holy spirit are distinct persons?
Jesus did not empty Himself of the knowledge, He emptied Himself of the glory of God which He later picked after accomplishing His works here on earth. You are trying to justify your lies but it's not going to work. Jesus more than once demonstrated knowledge of the future while in flesh, He worked with timelines every now and then saying "...the hour has not come.." or "..the hour is coming...".
He claimed to be the alpha and omega/ the first and the last so surely He knew the hour because the hour falls within the first and the last.
Jesus simply meant that the authority of the son doesn't know the hour but He being our Father surely knows the hour. In another part He clearly said:
Acts 1:7And he said to them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father has put in his own power.
So, the son is not to know the times and seasons that the Father has set with His own authority.
But how does three distinct persons having the same state or quality of existence one because God has categorically said there is no one with Him or beside Him?
We know Jesus is one person and one being already, isn't he? where do others come from to make three persons and one being? and even if beings can not be counted because it only means quality of having existence, why do you insist that three persons make up ONE being?
So many people can have the same quality of existence but they can not be one. When we count them, we will still go one,two,three,four....
You have said the nature of God is deity and Paul said all deity is within Jesus; does this mean you lie when you say the Father/Son/Holy spirit are distinct persons?
You also brought up the age old argument, "If Jesus is God how come He did not know the hour of His own coming?" I HIGHLY suggest you read Philippians 2:5-9 and especially vs5-7, "Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, vs6, who, ALTHOUGH (that word although means "in spite of the fact or in view of the fact) He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, vs7, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant/man, and being made in the likeness of men."
Do you know what this means? It means that Jesus Christ was God and He took the form of a man like the rest of us. Since He was a man He depended on His Father for everything and in every single area of His life. When He emptied Himself, it means that He did not take advantage of His preogatives of being God. Vs8 says it this way. "And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming OBEDIENT to the point of death, even death on a cross."
This is not hard to understand if you study your Bible. Now you tell me how is this blaphemous? The one and only Son of God dying for the sins of the world?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Do you know what this means? It means that Jesus Christ was God and He took the form of a man like the rest of us. Since He was a man He depended on His Father for everything and in every single area of His life. When He emptied Himself, it means that He did not take advantage of His preogatives of being God. Vs8 says it this way. "And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming OBEDIENT to the point of death, even death on a cross."
This is not hard to understand if you study your Bible. Now you tell me how is this blaphemous? The one and only Son of God dying for the sins of the world?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
He claimed to be the alpha and omega/ the first and the last so surely He knew the hour because the hour falls within the first and the last.
Jesus simply meant that the authority of the son doesn't know the hour but He being our Father surely knows the hour. In another part He clearly said:
Acts 1:7And he said to them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father has put in his own power.
So, the son is not to know the times and seasons that the Father has set with His own authority.
First of all there are not "three separations" within the one God. There are three "distinct" persons within the one God or Godhead. Isaiah 44:24 says the following: "Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, I, the Lord, am the maker of all THINGS, Stretching out the heavens BY MYSELF. And spreading out the earth ALL ALONE."
Since you deny the deity of Jesus Christ plus the fact that you deny that Jesus Christ existed before he incarnated I have a question for you? Why is the Son identified or presented as the AGENT of CREATION at John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:16-17, Hebrews 1:10 and at Revelation 3:14 by the Apostles and His own Father?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Since you deny the deity of Jesus Christ plus the fact that you deny that Jesus Christ existed before he incarnated I have a question for you? Why is the Son identified or presented as the AGENT of CREATION at John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:16-17, Hebrews 1:10 and at Revelation 3:14 by the Apostles and His own Father?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
So you agree that Jesus Christ is the one God Almighty right? I'm trying to understand what you believe because I know that in the Bible Jesus Christ is clearly identified as God, God the Father is identified as God and the Holy Spirit is identified as God in the Bible. Do you agree with the Bible?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Not really convince me, you are yet to convince yourself because the things you are spewing don't make sense. Yes you are showing us how the Father and the son are distinct but can't show how they are one being at the same time. Try harder.
The holy spirit has been rectifying me for sometime now hence the truth that i'm able to you show you from the scripture- that God is one Lord.
The holy spirit has been rectifying me for sometime now hence the truth that i'm able to you show you from the scripture- that God is one Lord.