John Chapter 3 REFUTES Five Point Calvinism
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Are you trying to tell me that the natural man, void of the Spirit, will ask a spiritual God for good things? Roger, I think I have given these scriptures to you already, but in case it was to someone else, here is scripture showing that God does not love all mankind. Rev 3:19, As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten; be zealous therefore and repent. God's chastening is divine punishment, so, if I can show you someone that he does not divinely punish, would you understand that he does not love that person? Psalms 73:5, They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they PLAGUED ( Greek translation of plagued is =divinely punished ) like other men.
Most people in the 33 years when Jesus walked the earth as a man said that he preached a hard doctrine, most especially to those in that day who were intelligent. It is no different in this day and time. No man can understand the doctrine of Jesus unless the Holy Spirit within them reveals it unto them. Why he has chosen so few to reveal it to is a great mystery to me, because it encompasses a much bigger amount to go to heaven than all of the false doctrines do put together.
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You have yet to respond to even one scripture that has been presented to you that clearly demonstrates your errors. No one has talked around the scripture in 1 Cor 2:14. Most whole heartedly receive that scripture as true. It is your misapplication and complete inability to understand that scripture that is the root of the problem.
You have constructed your entire theology on a false understanding of that scripture.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You have constructed your entire theology on a false understanding of that scripture.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Jesus said something quite in contrast to your personal opinion on the subject.
Mt 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Israel Gods elect and they reject the Messiah?
God created man that man would glorify God. Without free will to choose how can God be glorified? God crafted the plan of salvation knowing that His creation would need to be redeemed. In this God is glorified.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Mt 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Israel Gods elect and they reject the Messiah?
God created man that man would glorify God. Without free will to choose how can God be glorified? God crafted the plan of salvation knowing that His creation would need to be redeemed. In this God is glorified.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
IF God delivered the Israelites from Egypt to give them the promised land they would have received the Promised Land.
God doesn't fail. God can't fail. If God decides a certain situation will have a certain outcome then that is exactly the way it will unfold.
I don't understand peoples theology that seems to make them think that all of Gods plans are contingent on stupid people making all these genius choices. The only time stupid people make genius choices is when God leads them to do so.
But how can you convince someone of this? Too much pride and ignorance and silliness for one person to get through to another. Only God can convince someone of this.
God doesn't fail. God can't fail. If God decides a certain situation will have a certain outcome then that is exactly the way it will unfold.
I don't understand peoples theology that seems to make them think that all of Gods plans are contingent on stupid people making all these genius choices. The only time stupid people make genius choices is when God leads them to do so.
But how can you convince someone of this? Too much pride and ignorance and silliness for one person to get through to another. Only God can convince someone of this.
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God doesn't fail, I would agree, but God gave them a choice. Those chose not to trust Him, so He didn't allow them to enter.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
If God has predetermined who will be saved, and they were saved before the foundation of the world, in fact, they were saved before they knew it themselves, and no one cannot resist His will....tell me, why the longsuffering of God? Why would God suffer long for those who He has predetermined to be saved? Longsuffering implies that there's going to come a time when God's patience will run out and He will proceed with or without us.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
If God has predetermined who will be saved, and they were saved before the foundation of the world, in fact, they were saved before they knew it themselves, and no one cannot resist His will....tell me, why the longsuffering of God? Why would God suffer long for those who He has predetermined to be saved? Longsuffering implies that there's going to come a time when God's patience will run out and He will proceed with or without us.