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Romans 4: 17. As it is written, "I have made you a father of many nations." This is in the presence of him whom he believed: God, who gives life to the dead, and calls the things that are not, as though they were. 18. Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, "So will your seed be." 19. Without being weakened in faith, he didn't consider his own body, already having been worn out, (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah's womb. 20. Yet, looking to the promise of God, he didn't waver through unbelief, but grew strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21. and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was also able to perform. 22. Therefore it also was "reckoned to him for righteousness." 23. Now it was not written that it was accounted to him for his sake alone, 24. but for our sake also, to whom it will be accounted, who believe in him who raised Jesus, our Lord, from the dead, 25. who was delivered up for our trespasses, and was raised for our justification.
yes and is it just anything about the word which became flesh? is it enough to Simply believe that there is one God? or believe in him who raised Jesus, our Lord, from the dead? should we believe that he was delivered up for our trespasses, and was raised for our justification?
as it is written
Romans 5: 1. Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; 2. through whom we also have our access by faith into this grace in which we stand. We rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3. Not only this, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering works perseverance; 4. and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope: 5. and hope doesn't disappoint us, because God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us. 6. For while we were yet weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7. For one will hardly die for a righteous man. Yet perhaps for a righteous person someone would even dare to die. 8. But God commends his own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we will be saved from God's wrath through him. 10. For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we will be saved by his life. 11. Not only so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.
To God be the glory!
yes and is it just anything about the word which became flesh? is it enough to Simply believe that there is one God? or believe in him who raised Jesus, our Lord, from the dead? should we believe that he was delivered up for our trespasses, and was raised for our justification?
as it is written
Romans 5: 1. Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; 2. through whom we also have our access by faith into this grace in which we stand. We rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3. Not only this, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering works perseverance; 4. and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope: 5. and hope doesn't disappoint us, because God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us. 6. For while we were yet weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7. For one will hardly die for a righteous man. Yet perhaps for a righteous person someone would even dare to die. 8. But God commends his own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we will be saved from God's wrath through him. 10. For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we will be saved by his life. 11. Not only so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.
To God be the glory!
verse 26 has "that they caused all their firstborn to pass through the fire"
https://www.bible.com/search/bible?q=pass through the fire
again the statues in ver. 25 are not Gods statues mentioned in ver. 24
Ezekiel 20:26 and I pronounced them unclean because of their ritual gifts,
in that they caused all their firstborn to pass through the fire,
that I might make them desolate and that they might know that I am the Lord.”
https://www.bible.com/search/bible?q=pass through the fire
again the statues in ver. 25 are not Gods statues mentioned in ver. 24
Ezekiel 20:26 and I pronounced them unclean because of their ritual gifts,
in that they caused all their firstborn to pass through the fire,
that I might make them desolate and that they might know that I am the Lord.”
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Ezekiel 20:25 (NKJV)
“Therefore I also gave them up to statutes that were not good,
and judgments by which they could not live;
He gave them up to statutes that were not good,
not that he gave them new statues, or they where His statues mentioned here.
https://www.bible.com/search/bible?q=i gave them up to
“Therefore I also gave them up to statutes that were not good,
and judgments by which they could not live;
He gave them up to statutes that were not good,
not that he gave them new statues, or they where His statues mentioned here.
https://www.bible.com/search/bible?q=i gave them up to
Not you, it's this other dude who has been constantly slandering me for the last year.
I’m sorry to hear that.
I have those who do that to me as well.
Be blessed.
JPT
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Exactly the OT patriarchs were separated by the veil in the temple. Separated and forbidden to enter the holy place in the temple. We are new creatures in Christ. Made righteous by Christs righteousness. We are able to enter into the presence of the Father calling God Abba Father.
The same Holy Spirit that gives us the new birth also gives us an adoption into the family of God. We become new creatures in Christ and children of the Most High God.
Scripture wants us to know we are no longer part of this world. We have a complete, dramatic change wrought in our lives that only God could work.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The same Holy Spirit that gives us the new birth also gives us an adoption into the family of God. We become new creatures in Christ and children of the Most High God.
Scripture wants us to know we are no longer part of this world. We have a complete, dramatic change wrought in our lives that only God could work.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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28 And to man He said, 'Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom,
and to depart from evil is understanding' (Job 28:28).
When did God say this to man ? that's not recorded in genesis.
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2 Kings 16:3 (KJV)
But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, yea, and made his son to pass through
the fire, according to the abominations of the heathen, whom the Lord cast out
from before the children of Israel.
Joshua 24:14 (KJV)
Now therefore fear the Lord, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods
which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the Lord.
Joshua 24:2 (KJV)
And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt
on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father
of Nahor: and they served other gods.
Joshua 24:3 (KJV)
And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him
throughout all the land of Canaan, and multiplied his seed, and gave him Isaac.
Joshua 24:15 (KJV)
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve;
whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood,
or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house,
we will serve the Lord.
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments,
my statutes, and my laws.
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Then God turned and gave them up to worship the host of heaven, as it is written in the book
of the Prophets: ‘Did you offer Me slaughtered animals and sacrifices during forty years in
the wilderness, O house of Israel? Acts 7:42
Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan,
figures which ye made to worship them:..... Acts 7:43.....
worship the host of heaven
https://www.bible.com/search/bible?q=worship the host of heaven
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22For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them
out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
23But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be
my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
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When did Job live ? The Book of Job states:
27 If I have observed the sun when it shines, or the moon moving in its brightness,
so that my heart has been secretly enticed, and my mouth has kissed my hand;
28 This also would be an iniquity deserving of judgement,
For I would have denied God who is above (Job 31:27-28).
Observing of the sun and moon, whereby one is enticed, as well kissing one's own hand,
are believed by most commentators to have been practices associated with idolatry.
an iniquity deserving of judgement
Commandment 3:
7 "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord
will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain. (Exodus 20:7)
The Book of Job states:
5 It may be that my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts (Job 1:5).
21 Blessed be the name of the LORD (Job 1:21).
9 Curse God and die! (Job 2:9).
10 In all this, Job did not sin with his lips (Job 2:10).
The third commandment is clearly shown in Job to have been understood.
It is clear that before Mount Sinai one could 'sin with his lips,' and that 'sin' was
known to exist then (after Mount Sinai, God did tell the Israelites that the people
who used to live in the land sinned by violating this command, Leviticus 18:21,27).
21And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech,
neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.
26Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit
any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that
sojourneth among you: 27(For all these abominations have the men of the land done,
which were before you, and the land is defiled Leviticus 18:21,27
and to depart from evil is understanding' (Job 28:28).
When did God say this to man ? that's not recorded in genesis.
-
2 Kings 16:3 (KJV)
But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, yea, and made his son to pass through
the fire, according to the abominations of the heathen, whom the Lord cast out
from before the children of Israel.
Joshua 24:14 (KJV)
Now therefore fear the Lord, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods
which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the Lord.
Joshua 24:2 (KJV)
And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt
on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father
of Nahor: and they served other gods.
Joshua 24:3 (KJV)
And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him
throughout all the land of Canaan, and multiplied his seed, and gave him Isaac.
Joshua 24:15 (KJV)
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve;
whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood,
or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house,
we will serve the Lord.
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments,
my statutes, and my laws.
-
Then God turned and gave them up to worship the host of heaven, as it is written in the book
of the Prophets: ‘Did you offer Me slaughtered animals and sacrifices during forty years in
the wilderness, O house of Israel? Acts 7:42
Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan,
figures which ye made to worship them:..... Acts 7:43.....
worship the host of heaven
https://www.bible.com/search/bible?q=worship the host of heaven
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22For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them
out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
23But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be
my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
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When did Job live ? The Book of Job states:
27 If I have observed the sun when it shines, or the moon moving in its brightness,
so that my heart has been secretly enticed, and my mouth has kissed my hand;
28 This also would be an iniquity deserving of judgement,
For I would have denied God who is above (Job 31:27-28).
Observing of the sun and moon, whereby one is enticed, as well kissing one's own hand,
are believed by most commentators to have been practices associated with idolatry.
an iniquity deserving of judgement
Commandment 3:
7 "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord
will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain. (Exodus 20:7)
The Book of Job states:
5 It may be that my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts (Job 1:5).
21 Blessed be the name of the LORD (Job 1:21).
9 Curse God and die! (Job 2:9).
10 In all this, Job did not sin with his lips (Job 2:10).
The third commandment is clearly shown in Job to have been understood.
It is clear that before Mount Sinai one could 'sin with his lips,' and that 'sin' was
known to exist then (after Mount Sinai, God did tell the Israelites that the people
who used to live in the land sinned by violating this command, Leviticus 18:21,27).
21And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech,
neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.
26Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit
any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that
sojourneth among you: 27(For all these abominations have the men of the land done,
which were before you, and the land is defiled
Leviticus 18:21,27-
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As it is written, "I have made you a father of many nations." This is in the presence of him whom he believed:
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
" Yet, looking to the promise of God, he didn't waver through unbelief, but grew strong through faith, giving glory to God,"
1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; (Giving Glory to God, not by judging His instruction as burdensome or unreasonable, but by having Faith that God knew better than him))
satan also believes that Jesus was delivered up for our trespasses. That there is only one God. So does the Pope, Jimmy Swaggert, Benny Hinn, the list goes on and on.
But satan tries to deceive us, not into believing He doesn't exist, but into believing His instructions are irrelevant. That they are not for our own good, that they are a burden created to keep us ignorant. It deceived Eve, not into believing God/Jesus doesn't exist, but into trusting her own reason, her own vision, her own mind, over the instructions of the Word. Abraham was told to reject "His existence" and to trust God. Not just believe that He exists. The message throughout the Bible is not just to have the instruction and believe they are from God, but to trust God enough to follow them as Abraham did.
And those who set out to have the Faith of Abraham, these are the ones satan goes after. as it is written.
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law (Like Abraham) shall be justified.
Not by sacrificial "Works" created for justification "till the Seed should come", but by "the Faith of Abraham".
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, (Justification by "works" of a Levite Priest) but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
"Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ"
Did Jesus reconcile us to God so we could create our own faith? So that we could "Judge God's Word" as burdensome, unjust, not worthy of our respect and honor? So that we can reject what God deems Holy, Good, Sanctified and create our own righteousness?
Isn't this what the Mainstream Preachers of Christ time did? Why did Zechariahs know Jesus but the Pharisees didn't. Did Zechariahs exhibit the "Faith of Abraham"?
"and hope doesn't disappoint us, because God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us"
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
Have you found another way, Peter didn't know about, to receive the holy Spirit?
Like the Bible as a whole says over and over and over. If we love God, we will do as He says.
But you preach to others that His instructions are "Grievous". And you use "parts" of God's Word, Laws that were never even given to you, to support your religious tradition.
You even go so far as to suggest that Peter and James taught against God's Commandments in Acts 15. That somehow, the Pharisees from Jerusalem had become obedient to God's Laws, and were now trying to make the New Converts Love God, and love the stranger as themselves, don't hate their brother in their heart, don't create images in the likeness of men, not to create "Feasts unto the Lord" along with physical circumcision.
And you imply that Peter and James rebuked these obedient Mainstream Preachers of their time and told the new converts not to obey God's Commandments. That THEY were the Yoke the Fathers couldn't bear, not the doctrines they taught from the commandments of men as Jesus said.
4 For they (Pharisees, not God as you preach) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
It seems that many of your religious doctrines are not based on the Bible as a whole, as I understand your posts, and have set about to show this to you, not with my mind, but with God's Word. Not to convert you to any religion, but to help you see what God's Word has warned about so many times.
You are a smart guy, you know the point I'm trying to make so my work here is done.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
" Yet, looking to the promise of God, he didn't waver through unbelief, but grew strong through faith, giving glory to God,"
1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; (Giving Glory to God, not by judging His instruction as burdensome or unreasonable, but by having Faith that God knew better than him))
satan also believes that Jesus was delivered up for our trespasses. That there is only one God. So does the Pope, Jimmy Swaggert, Benny Hinn, the list goes on and on.
But satan tries to deceive us, not into believing He doesn't exist, but into believing His instructions are irrelevant. That they are not for our own good, that they are a burden created to keep us ignorant. It deceived Eve, not into believing God/Jesus doesn't exist, but into trusting her own reason, her own vision, her own mind, over the instructions of the Word. Abraham was told to reject "His existence" and to trust God. Not just believe that He exists. The message throughout the Bible is not just to have the instruction and believe they are from God, but to trust God enough to follow them as Abraham did.
And those who set out to have the Faith of Abraham, these are the ones satan goes after. as it is written.
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law (Like Abraham) shall be justified.
Not by sacrificial "Works" created for justification "till the Seed should come", but by "the Faith of Abraham".
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, (Justification by "works" of a Levite Priest) but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
"Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ"
Did Jesus reconcile us to God so we could create our own faith? So that we could "Judge God's Word" as burdensome, unjust, not worthy of our respect and honor? So that we can reject what God deems Holy, Good, Sanctified and create our own righteousness?
Isn't this what the Mainstream Preachers of Christ time did? Why did Zechariahs know Jesus but the Pharisees didn't. Did Zechariahs exhibit the "Faith of Abraham"?
"and hope doesn't disappoint us, because God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us"
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
Have you found another way, Peter didn't know about, to receive the holy Spirit?
Like the Bible as a whole says over and over and over. If we love God, we will do as He says.
But you preach to others that His instructions are "Grievous". And you use "parts" of God's Word, Laws that were never even given to you, to support your religious tradition.
You even go so far as to suggest that Peter and James taught against God's Commandments in Acts 15. That somehow, the Pharisees from Jerusalem had become obedient to God's Laws, and were now trying to make the New Converts Love God, and love the stranger as themselves, don't hate their brother in their heart, don't create images in the likeness of men, not to create "Feasts unto the Lord" along with physical circumcision.
And you imply that Peter and James rebuked these obedient Mainstream Preachers of their time and told the new converts not to obey God's Commandments. That THEY were the Yoke the Fathers couldn't bear, not the doctrines they taught from the commandments of men as Jesus said.
4 For they (Pharisees, not God as you preach) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
It seems that many of your religious doctrines are not based on the Bible as a whole, as I understand your posts, and have set about to show this to you, not with my mind, but with God's Word. Not to convert you to any religion, but to help you see what God's Word has warned about so many times.
You are a smart guy, you know the point I'm trying to make so my work here is done.
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28 And to man He said, 'Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom,
and to depart from evil is understanding' (Job 28:28).
When did God say this to man ? that's not recorded in genesis.
-
2 Kings 16:3 (KJV)
But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, yea, and made his son to pass through
the fire, according to the abominations of the heathen, whom the Lord cast out
from before the children of Israel.
Joshua 24:14 (KJV)
Now therefore fear the Lord, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods
which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the Lord.
Joshua 24:2 (KJV)
And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt
on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father
of Nahor: and they served other gods.
Joshua 24:3 (KJV)
And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him
throughout all the land of Canaan, and multiplied his seed, and gave him Isaac.
Joshua 24:15 (KJV)
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve;
whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood,
or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house,
we will serve the Lord.
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments,
my statutes, and my laws.
-
Then God turned and gave them up to worship the host of heaven, as it is written in the book
of the Prophets: ‘Did you offer Me slaughtered animals and sacrifices during forty years in
the wilderness, O house of Israel? Acts 7:42
Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan,
figures which ye made to worship them:..... Acts 7:43.....
worship the host of heaven
https://www.bible.com/search/bible?q=worship the host of heaven
-
22For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them
out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
23But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be
my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
-
When did Job live ? The Book of Job states:
27 If I have observed the sun when it shines, or the moon moving in its brightness,
so that my heart has been secretly enticed, and my mouth has kissed my hand;
28 This also would be an iniquity deserving of judgement,
For I would have denied God who is above (Job 31:27-28).
Observing of the sun and moon, whereby one is enticed, as well kissing one's own hand,
are believed by most commentators to have been practices associated with idolatry.
an iniquity deserving of judgement
Commandment 3:
7 "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord
will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain. (Exodus 20:7)
The Book of Job states:
5 It may be that my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts (Job 1:5).
21 Blessed be the name of the LORD (Job 1:21).
9 Curse God and die! (Job 2:9).
10 In all this, Job did not sin with his lips (Job 2:10).
The third commandment is clearly shown in Job to have been understood.
It is clear that before Mount Sinai one could 'sin with his lips,' and that 'sin' was
known to exist then (after Mount Sinai, God did tell the Israelites that the people
who used to live in the land sinned by violating this command, Leviticus 18:21,27).
21And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech,
neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.
26Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit
any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that
sojourneth among you: 27(For all these abominations have the men of the land done,
which were before you, and the land is defiled Leviticus 18:21,27
and to depart from evil is understanding' (Job 28:28).
When did God say this to man ? that's not recorded in genesis.
-
2 Kings 16:3 (KJV)
But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, yea, and made his son to pass through
the fire, according to the abominations of the heathen, whom the Lord cast out
from before the children of Israel.
Joshua 24:14 (KJV)
Now therefore fear the Lord, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods
which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the Lord.
Joshua 24:2 (KJV)
And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt
on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father
of Nahor: and they served other gods.
Joshua 24:3 (KJV)
And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him
throughout all the land of Canaan, and multiplied his seed, and gave him Isaac.
Joshua 24:15 (KJV)
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve;
whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood,
or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house,
we will serve the Lord.
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments,
my statutes, and my laws.
-
Then God turned and gave them up to worship the host of heaven, as it is written in the book
of the Prophets: ‘Did you offer Me slaughtered animals and sacrifices during forty years in
the wilderness, O house of Israel? Acts 7:42
Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan,
figures which ye made to worship them:..... Acts 7:43.....
worship the host of heaven
https://www.bible.com/search/bible?q=worship the host of heaven
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22For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them
out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
23But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be
my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
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When did Job live ? The Book of Job states:
27 If I have observed the sun when it shines, or the moon moving in its brightness,
so that my heart has been secretly enticed, and my mouth has kissed my hand;
28 This also would be an iniquity deserving of judgement,
For I would have denied God who is above (Job 31:27-28).
Observing of the sun and moon, whereby one is enticed, as well kissing one's own hand,
are believed by most commentators to have been practices associated with idolatry.
an iniquity deserving of judgement
Commandment 3:
7 "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord
will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain. (Exodus 20:7)
The Book of Job states:
5 It may be that my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts (Job 1:5).
21 Blessed be the name of the LORD (Job 1:21).
9 Curse God and die! (Job 2:9).
10 In all this, Job did not sin with his lips (Job 2:10).
The third commandment is clearly shown in Job to have been understood.
It is clear that before Mount Sinai one could 'sin with his lips,' and that 'sin' was
known to exist then (after Mount Sinai, God did tell the Israelites that the people
who used to live in the land sinned by violating this command, Leviticus 18:21,27).
21And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech,
neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.
26Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit
any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that
sojourneth among you: 27(For all these abominations have the men of the land done,
which were before you, and the land is defiled
Leviticus 18:21,27
"As one commentator puts it, "there are no irrefutable clues" with respect to dating the book, such that "proposals have ranged over many centuries from before the time of Moses to the period between the testaments" (Alden, 25).1 "
https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/11587/when-was-job-written#12901
under the New Covenant, we do the works of God.
The next day the crowd that stood on the other side of the sea saw that there was no other small boat there, except one, and that Jesus had not entered with His disciples into the boat, but that His disciples had gone away alone. 23 There came other small boats from Tiberias near to the place where they ate the bread after the Lord had given thanks.24 So when the crowd saw that Jesus was not there, nor His disciples, they themselves got into the small boats, and came to Capernaum seeking Jesus. 25 When they found Him on the other side of the sea, they said to Him, “Rabbi, when did You get here?”
Words to the People
26 Jesus answered them and said,“Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. 27 Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal.” 28 Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?”29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”30 So they said to Him, “What then do You do for a sign, so that we may see, and believe You? What work do You perform? 31 Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread out of heaven to eat.’” 32 Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread out of heaven, but it is My Father who gives you the true bread out of heaven. 33 For the bread of God is [i]that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world.” 34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, always give us this bread.”
35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+6&version=NASB
The next day the crowd that stood on the other side of the sea saw that there was no other small boat there, except one, and that Jesus had not entered with His disciples into the boat, but that His disciples had gone away alone. 23 There came other small boats from Tiberias near to the place where they ate the bread after the Lord had given thanks.24 So when the crowd saw that Jesus was not there, nor His disciples, they themselves got into the small boats, and came to Capernaum seeking Jesus. 25 When they found Him on the other side of the sea, they said to Him, “Rabbi, when did You get here?”
Words to the People
26 Jesus answered them and said,“Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. 27 Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal.” 28 Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?”29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”30 So they said to Him, “What then do You do for a sign, so that we may see, and believe You? What work do You perform? 31 Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread out of heaven to eat.’” 32 Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread out of heaven, but it is My Father who gives you the true bread out of heaven. 33 For the bread of God is [i]that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world.” 34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, always give us this bread.”
35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+6&version=NASB
I agree that Abraham was "Giving Glory to God, not by judging His instruction as burdensome or unreasonable, but by having Faith that God knew better than him"
but I am not the one who said that what some of the sons of Levi were to carry was a burden. Nor am I the one who said that neither I nor my father's nor my fellows have been able to bear the law.
what is it that Peter says he could not bear? The rules of the Pharisees? Or of the Sadducees? Because of course the Sadducees had different rules than the Pharisees. when Peter talks about this at the council at Jerusalem, this is years after he had been following Jesus and Jesus had died and been raised. it seems odd to me to think that he would have been trying to follow the rules of the Pharisees, or the scribes, the Sadducees, or some other group. He was probably just doing his best to follow what he perceived to be the law, the set of rules he thought God wanted him to follow. I think that's why it becomes obvious to him and the people he's talking to that the Gentiles don't need to do that.
and yes, I agree that Satan believes there was only one God. that's why I used it as an example. so what do we believe? What is the principle of faith? is it similar to what the Jehovah's Witnesses teach, that we exercise faith? and when they say exercise Faith they basically mean following set of rules. which in my opinion is a very strange thing to think of when it comes to believing something, doing a set of actions.
but is that the kind of thing that you believe?
I certainly don't believe that any of God's instructions are irrelevant. Indeed God sent his Spirit to us to guide us in the truth. God's instructions are very relevant! But I know that the idea of walking by the spirit is very Troublesome too many people. Too often, they will simply say you mean then I can just do what I want?
of course we do not create our own faith. We believe in God who raised Jesus from the dead.
but I am not the one who said that what some of the sons of Levi were to carry was a burden. Nor am I the one who said that neither I nor my father's nor my fellows have been able to bear the law.
what is it that Peter says he could not bear? The rules of the Pharisees? Or of the Sadducees? Because of course the Sadducees had different rules than the Pharisees. when Peter talks about this at the council at Jerusalem, this is years after he had been following Jesus and Jesus had died and been raised. it seems odd to me to think that he would have been trying to follow the rules of the Pharisees, or the scribes, the Sadducees, or some other group. He was probably just doing his best to follow what he perceived to be the law, the set of rules he thought God wanted him to follow. I think that's why it becomes obvious to him and the people he's talking to that the Gentiles don't need to do that.
and yes, I agree that Satan believes there was only one God. that's why I used it as an example. so what do we believe? What is the principle of faith? is it similar to what the Jehovah's Witnesses teach, that we exercise faith? and when they say exercise Faith they basically mean following set of rules. which in my opinion is a very strange thing to think of when it comes to believing something, doing a set of actions.
but is that the kind of thing that you believe?
I certainly don't believe that any of God's instructions are irrelevant. Indeed God sent his Spirit to us to guide us in the truth. God's instructions are very relevant! But I know that the idea of walking by the spirit is very Troublesome too many people. Too often, they will simply say you mean then I can just do what I want?
of course we do not create our own faith. We believe in God who raised Jesus from the dead.
do you believe that being justified by faith, is the same as doing a set of actions with your hands, or in the case of the Sabbath a set of inactions?
is the New Covenant in your view simply a different set of actions to take? Or is it a different lifestyle? Is it walking by the spirit.
I think the people who recognized Jesus did so because they were in tune with God. Very simple.
of course God's commands, his instructions in the New Covenant are not too hard to bear.
Galatians 6: 1. Brothers, even if a man is caught in some fault, you who are spiritual must restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; looking to yourself so that you also aren't tempted. 2. Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3. For if a man thinks himself to be something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4. But let each man test his own work, and then he will take pride in himself and not in his neighbor. 5. For each man will bear his own burden. 6. But let him who is taught in the word share all good things with him who teaches. 7. Don't be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8. For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. 9. Let us not be weary in doing good, for we will reap in due season, if we don't give up. 10. So then, as we have opportunity, let's do what is good toward all men, and especially toward those who are of the household of the faith.
I think the way to receive the holy spirit is to believe that Jesus was sent from God. That is to believe in the one that God has sent. And that God raised from the dead. This is the instruction, the good news that we are to obey.
is the New Covenant in your view simply a different set of actions to take? Or is it a different lifestyle? Is it walking by the spirit.
I think the people who recognized Jesus did so because they were in tune with God. Very simple.
of course God's commands, his instructions in the New Covenant are not too hard to bear.
Galatians 6: 1. Brothers, even if a man is caught in some fault, you who are spiritual must restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; looking to yourself so that you also aren't tempted. 2. Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3. For if a man thinks himself to be something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4. But let each man test his own work, and then he will take pride in himself and not in his neighbor. 5. For each man will bear his own burden. 6. But let him who is taught in the word share all good things with him who teaches. 7. Don't be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8. For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. 9. Let us not be weary in doing good, for we will reap in due season, if we don't give up. 10. So then, as we have opportunity, let's do what is good toward all men, and especially toward those who are of the household of the faith.
I think the way to receive the holy spirit is to believe that Jesus was sent from God. That is to believe in the one that God has sent. And that God raised from the dead. This is the instruction, the good news that we are to obey.
but yes it is true that some of God's Commandments are too difficult, rather impossible to perform. That is why by The Works of the law no flesh can be justified. There is no set of activities you can do with your hands, or inactivities, through which you can become Justified with God. Because trying to do things with your hands to be justified with God will, hopefully, give you the knowledge that such an Endeavor is useless. thus bringing to your attention your need for a savior, Jesus Christ.
I think that what Peter and James are saying in Acts chapter 15 is that whether you look at just the written law, as the Sadducees did I'm told, or if you included Traditions handed down through the centuries, the supposedly oral tradition, that the Pharisees used, either way one will still not be able to please God. one will still not be able to do it.
James does come up with four guidelines to help people who grow up as Jews and Gentiles worship together in the same church. you can see the four guidelines and Acts chapter 15 are basically ways of avoiding overt displays of idol worship, of appearing to worship idols. Not of course that the Gentiles actually were worshipping the idols. But, they might be interested in getting some nice cheap meat from the Temple of Apollo. that's not really a problem for one who knows that Apollo isn't anything, but it can be a big problem for Jews if they attend the same potluck.
so I believe you misunderstand my suggestion about acts 15.
at this point in your post, I believe you begin to argue directly with a straw man.
I'm not sure if I understand what you're trying to preach or not. You may actually be preaching something incoherent, which would explain why other people aren't accepting it. It does sound to me like what you're saying in your post is very similar to the approach to Salvation that the Jehovah's Witnesses at my door preach.
I think that what Peter and James are saying in Acts chapter 15 is that whether you look at just the written law, as the Sadducees did I'm told, or if you included Traditions handed down through the centuries, the supposedly oral tradition, that the Pharisees used, either way one will still not be able to please God. one will still not be able to do it.
James does come up with four guidelines to help people who grow up as Jews and Gentiles worship together in the same church. you can see the four guidelines and Acts chapter 15 are basically ways of avoiding overt displays of idol worship, of appearing to worship idols. Not of course that the Gentiles actually were worshipping the idols. But, they might be interested in getting some nice cheap meat from the Temple of Apollo. that's not really a problem for one who knows that Apollo isn't anything, but it can be a big problem for Jews if they attend the same potluck.
so I believe you misunderstand my suggestion about acts 15.
at this point in your post, I believe you begin to argue directly with a straw man.
I'm not sure if I understand what you're trying to preach or not. You may actually be preaching something incoherent, which would explain why other people aren't accepting it. It does sound to me like what you're saying in your post is very similar to the approach to Salvation that the Jehovah's Witnesses at my door preach.
I believe what the Bible teaches about Faith. That Eve didn't have it but Abraham did. That Cain didn't have it but Abel did. That many in Israel didn't have it, but Caleb did. That Saul and the Pharisees didn't have it but Zechariahs did. And the one thing that separated them was their "WORKS". One side of the example chose "man's" thoughts and works, while the other side of the example chose "God's" Words and Works. These all "Let their Light shine", they didn't have some secret respect and honor for God that they hid in their mind while following the religious traditions of the land.
I also know that very cleaver, very subtle voices are at work which sound reasonable, which sound righteous to man, but are there to convince religious man, as they did Eve, to question and reason within ourselves the relevance of God's instruction. And Jesus Himself said "many" would choose it's voice over God's. I think the evidence of this in Mainstream religion is over whelming.
The New Covenant is exactly what Jesus said it was. A change in the Priesthood. How sin's are forgiven, formally involved Levite Priest's performing "works of the Law" for remission of sins.
And how God's Law is administered, formally given to the people though the Levite Priests.
There is nowhere that your actions or my actions are even mentioned. How religious man can use Jer. 31 to preach God changed His definition of sin, or made immaterial the Law and Prophets is astounding. And the fact that so "many" people buy into this preaching is truly a testimony of wisdom and foresight of the Word which became Flesh when He told us in Jeremiah 5 and 6.
30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;
31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
So yes, I do believe our actions show our Faith, and our works show what or who we have faith in. And the Lord's Holy, Sanctified, set apart Sabbath is a Work of Almighty God. Walking in it is walking in the Spirit. This is why I don't believe what you preach about God's Instructions, because they are from the Light of the World, and the Righteous examples of the Bible chose them over other voices to guides their footsteps.
I believe that Jesus intended for us to choose Him as well?
I also know that very cleaver, very subtle voices are at work which sound reasonable, which sound righteous to man, but are there to convince religious man, as they did Eve, to question and reason within ourselves the relevance of God's instruction. And Jesus Himself said "many" would choose it's voice over God's. I think the evidence of this in Mainstream religion is over whelming.
The New Covenant is exactly what Jesus said it was. A change in the Priesthood. How sin's are forgiven, formally involved Levite Priest's performing "works of the Law" for remission of sins.
And how God's Law is administered, formally given to the people though the Levite Priests.
There is nowhere that your actions or my actions are even mentioned. How religious man can use Jer. 31 to preach God changed His definition of sin, or made immaterial the Law and Prophets is astounding. And the fact that so "many" people buy into this preaching is truly a testimony of wisdom and foresight of the Word which became Flesh when He told us in Jeremiah 5 and 6.
30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;
31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
So yes, I do believe our actions show our Faith, and our works show what or who we have faith in. And the Lord's Holy, Sanctified, set apart Sabbath is a Work of Almighty God. Walking in it is walking in the Spirit. This is why I don't believe what you preach about God's Instructions, because they are from the Light of the World, and the Righteous examples of the Bible chose them over other voices to guides their footsteps.
I believe that Jesus intended for us to choose Him as well?
I agree with your link, we are not sure when the book of Job was written.
But in the bible, we might have some clues of when Job lived. few things we know
None of the conversation in the book of Job refers to the exodus under Moses.
But the flood is still uppermost in the minds of the people (Job 22:17-18).
Job lived in the generation after Esau, for one of his friends was Eliphaz the Temanite
(Job 2:11). Eliphaz was the father of the Temanites (Gen. 36: 11) and the son of Esau,
Jacob's brother (verse 10). Eliphaz and Joseph were first cousins.
Job lived before the Mosaic law which permitted only Levites to sacrifice.(Job 1:5; 42:8).
Coming into Egypt with Jacob was a grandson -- named Job! "And these are the names of
the children of Israel who came into Egypt, Jacob and his sons ... And the sons of Issachar:
Tola, and Phuvah and JOB, and Shimron" (Genesis 46:13).
In I Chronicles 7:1 Job's name appears as Jashub or Iashub: "And the sons of Issachar:
Tola, and Puah, Jashub, and Shimron, four.
Job was Joseph's nephew.
a characteristic of the tribe of Issachar had mathematical and astronomical knowledge.
I Chronicles 12:32 "And of the children of Issachar, men that had understanding of the
times, to know what Israel ought to do ..." Jewish commentators understand this to
mean mathematical and astronomical knowledge, including the body of information by
which the Hebrew calendar was determined and the annual festivals arranged.
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I think we have a good idea of when Job lived, but when the book was written is still unclear.