Where do our souls come from

Enocish · Jul 16, 2018

I don't think anyone takes time to ask this question, Because of the all the other questions that arise. Now this question has to be asked correctly. Because when asked most folks simply say God, Now it doesn't take an atheist to figure out that God created everything, The universe, the stars, The planets, Sun, Moon and so on. What I'm asking is when. This would apply to my generation. Was it at the moment that our parents thought they were in love And copulated in the back seat of a Chevy. I mean there has to be an answer somewhere, Let me ask it a little differently. I have to assume that we are all adults here, But here goes.
When a Man & Women come together, ( and given the context, you know what I mean ). No matter how that happens, The women can and sometimes get pregnant. Now we all know that at that very moment a life force, soul, energy, angel. No matter what you want to call it, It enters into the flesh at that moment of the union. And it is that same life force, soul, energy, angel again whatever you want to call it. It is the same thing that leaves the body when God chooses to cut the silver cord, We all know when it enters the flesh. But my question is when was that created. Could it have been at that very moment or in the beginning, or even in his spare time? Shouldn't Gods word give us some kind of clue?
I would be interested in your answer.

Dino246 · Jul 16, 2018

I can't think of anywhere in Scripture that a definitive answer is given. The only thing that comes to mind offhand is God's word to Jeremiah 1:5a, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." That suggests, but does not require, pre-incarnate creation. It could mean that God knew exactly who Jeremiah would become, or what His purposes for Jeremiah's life were.

prove-all · Jul 16, 2018

Ecclesiastes 11:5: “As you do not know how the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of
a woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything” (rsv).

God says we don’t know how, but we know when a child receives the human spirit:
when it’s in the womb.
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...en-men-and-animals.177632/page-2#post-3633270

Enocish · Jul 16, 2018

prove-all said:

There are some things we do know. In Mar_13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. Have you ever seen somebody talk without saying a word, by not saying things is he actually saying something? Without changing the subject may I give you an example, Nowhere in Gods word does it talk about aliens. Yet people believe they exist. So by not saying they exist is he actually telling us they don't. But the Bible does talk about other beings, not of this earth. So what are we missing? If we as Christians are to believe the Bible, We have to believe the answer is in his Word somewhere. Not necessarily by telling us directly but by not saying indirectly or by suggestion. Something to think about.

OneFaith · Jul 16, 2018

Enocish said:

I don't think anyone takes time to ask this question, Because of the all the other questions that arise. Now this question has to be asked correctly. Because when asked most folks simply say God, Now it doesn't take an atheist to figure out that God created everything, The universe, the stars, The planets, Sun, Moon and so on. What I'm asking is when. This would apply to my generation. Was it at the moment that our parents thought they were in love And copulated in the back seat of a Chevy. I mean there has to be an answer somewhere, Let me ask it a little differently. I have to assume that we are all adults here, But here goes.
When a Man & Women come together, ( and given the context, you know what I mean ). No matter how that happens, The women can and sometimes get pregnant. Now we all know that at that very moment a life force, soul, energy, angel. No matter what you want to call it, It enters into the flesh at that moment of the union. And it is that same life force, soul, energy, angel again whatever you want to call it. It is the same thing that leaves the body when God chooses to cut the silver cord, We all know when it enters the flesh. But my question is when was that created. Could it have been at that very moment or in the beginning, or even in his spare time? Shouldn't Gods word give us some kind of clue?
I would be interested in your answer.

I believe it is when the sperm and the egg create a combined cell. But here's some scriptures...

Psalm 139:13
Jeremiah 1:5
Ecclesiastes 11:5

Hope this helps.

trofimus · Jul 16, 2018

Ecclesiastes 11:5, LXX:
"Among whom none knows what is the way of the wind: as the bones are hid in the womb of a pregnant woman, so thou shalt not know the works of God.

Not too much about the problem in the OP

Yahshua · Jul 16, 2018

Alien = Extra (outside)-terrestrial (earth) = Jude 1:6 "And the angels who did not stay within their own domain, but abandoned their proper dwelling, He keeps under darkness, in eternal chains for judgment on that great day."

GodisONE · Jul 17, 2018

Job 31:15 KJV
15 Did not he that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?

GodisONE · Jul 17, 2018

Isaiah 44:2 KJV
2 Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.

JaumeJ · Jul 17, 2018

Our souls come from the breath of our Father........

Nehemiah6 · Jul 17, 2018

Enocish said:

According to Scripture (already quoted above), souls are created when a baby comes into existence. All human beings are tripartite -- body, soul, and spirit. So that is when a soul is created. There are myths and pagan ideas about souls existing apart from their bodies, or souls being reincarnated etc. But we must look to Scripture for the answers.

Enocish · Jul 17, 2018

These are some interesting answers, But let me give you food for thought. First of all, Gods word translated into English leaves us sometimes wanting. But go back to the original Greek, Hebrew and Caldian then we have a clearer understanding.

For example, Words in Hebrew are fixed, Meaning that the Hebrew word means pretty much what they say. But can have different meanings depending on how it is used.

Another example in 1 & 2nd Samuel, 1 Chronicles. In Hebrew is H8398 But in Psalms its H4480, H2465. But in English are both the same word, World. Without the different terms, it seems to lose something in the translation. Now to the more serious student, I'm not telling you anything that you probably don't already know. I can be checked out, Get a strongs concordance and KJV Bible and do the research.

Now I know this is long winded but I have a point. Follow my thinking for just a moment,
Take the word God in Hebrew, In the first verse. The word is Eloheim. Which means God and the angels. Suggesting that all the angels were there with him in the beginning. Then using the power of reason to some extent That would suggest that the angels were created in the beginning. And in his image. We all looked like him and they had spiritual bodies just like him. Now, remember I said more questions would be raised. Eloheim is in the masculine sense. Suggesting that there were no female-bodied angels. We were all created with male features, It wasn't until the rebellion that, OOPS We will wait on that, I am getting ahead of my self. Also, everything that was created was created in the beginning. Until the Kobo, Sorry still waiting on that.

Now every atheist and scientist who has ever lived will tell you that the world is millions of years old. So does Gods word. I wonder if they got it from Gods word and just said they figured it out. Anywho there are millions of years between verse 1 and verse 2.

I'm not asking you to believe me. I'm asking you to dig into Gods word and find out for your self.

In the second verse, the word was translates became. Then you read it like it reads in the manuscripts it reads.
And the earth became without form and void. HuH, I wonder what it was like before.

Oh, I will throw this in there as a bonus. God still could not cohabitate with the angels. They were created with free will and still had the cancerous sin nature that had not started to grow yet.

There is so much more. I just can't fit it all in here, Which is why you should check me out and do your own studies.

But for me, I now believe the angels were created in the very beginning. All 12 to 14 billion, Just a guestimation.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Millions of years ..............
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

All of that to establish that the angels were there in the beginning. Oh, and I would like to point out no mention of aliens. They would have been created in the beginning had they been created. But no mention no aliens.

Also, Yahshua pointed out in an earlier post that the angels were the aliens. You can't call angels, aliens. That's all part of the deception and adds to the falling away of the church.
For me, I have to keep them separated in my head to make sense of it all.

To be continued ..................

Hungry · Jul 17, 2018

Sometimes the mystery is more exciting than the answer. Would it be fun watching a magician if you knew how he did his tricks? If you really understood the science of DNA, and all of the hows and whys of life, you would gain a further admiration for the genius of God but may lose your sense of wonder.

Nothing is unlearnable but our because of our preconceptions we become unteachable. Post adolescence, the only teacher we trust is ourselves. We start with a notion, then locate information to back that claim. If anybody wants to know anything, seek God and ask Him exclusively. He does answer. If I tell you, nobody would believe it anyway, especially the zealots who stick with information that can only be taken out chapter and verse in the Bible.

Let’s conduct an experiment. Everybody should pray for this answer, and meditate on it for an hour, asking the Holy Spirit to teach it to them. Then post your answer. Everybody in concert with the Almighty should get a similar explanation just with different teaching aids.

jb · Jul 17, 2018

Enocish said:

I don't think anyone takes time to ask this question, Because of the all the other questions that arise. Now this question has to be asked correctly. Because when asked most folks simply say God, Now it doesn't take an atheist to figure out that God created everything, The universe, the stars, The planets, Sun, Moon and so on. What I'm asking is when. This would apply to my generation. Was it at the moment that our parents thought they were in love And copulated in the back seat of a Chevy. I mean there has to be an answer somewhere, Let me ask it a little differently. I have to assume that we are all adults here, But here goes.
When a Man & Women come together, ( and given the context, you know what I mean ). No matter how that happens, The women can and sometimes get pregnant. Now we all know that at that very moment a life force, soul, energy, angel. No matter what you want to call it, It enters into the flesh at that moment of the union. And it is that same life force, soul, energy, angel again whatever you want to call it. It is the same thing that leaves the body when God chooses to cut the silver cord, We all know when it enters the flesh. But my question is when was that created. Could it have been at that very moment or in the beginning, or even in his spare time? Shouldn't Gods word give us some kind of clue?
I would be interested in your answer.

Did a blog on this and you can find it Here

garee · Jul 17, 2018

Enocish said:

I would offer man and woman, with a seaxual relationship, or man and man (David and Johnathon) and woman and woman (Mary and Marta ) with no sexual relationship. They can be considered soul mates .

A soul I beleive is the communicable part of human mankind between their personal thoughts (minds) and their hearts as a seat of emotion as a way of decision making.

In Job 23 we find a interesting portion informing us that God is of one mind always performing the desire of His soul.. by it he softens our heart if he so desires to,

As a introduction I offer Hebrew 4 in regard to the making our hard hearts soft, having to do with what the scripture call "mixing faith "

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.Hebrew 4:1-9

Then we have some information as to the deference that divide thought making

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.Heberew4:12

Mankind lost their eternal soul mate in the garden as a soul that sinned against the soul of God died.

A man must be born again frelly given a new souls spirit, heart and mind

Christ is our bread of new spirit life... he softens our hearts so that we might rest in His Sabbath .

Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food.
But he is in one mind, and "who can turn him"? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him.For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me: Because I was not cut off before the darkness, neither hath he covered the darkness from my face.Job 23:12-17

tourist · Jul 17, 2018

Enocish said:

I don't think anyone takes time to ask this question, Because of the all the other questions that arise. Now this question has to be asked correctly. Because when asked most folks simply say God, Now it doesn't take an atheist to figure out that God created everything, The universe, the stars, The planets, Sun, Moon and so on. What I'm asking is when. This would apply to my generation. Was it at the moment that our parents thought they were in love And copulated in the back seat of a Chevy. I mean there has to be an answer somewhere, Let me ask it a little differently. I have to assume that we are all adults here, But here goes.
When a Man & Women come together, ( and given the context, you know what I mean ). No matter how that happens, The women can and sometimes get pregnant. Now we all know that at that very moment a life force, soul, energy, angel. No matter what you want to call it, It enters into the flesh at that moment of the union. And it is that same life force, soul, energy, angel again whatever you want to call it. It is the same thing that leaves the body when God chooses to cut the silver cord, We all know when it enters the flesh. But my question is when was that created. Could it have been at that very moment or in the beginning, or even in his spare time? Shouldn't Gods word give us some kind of clue?
I would be interested in your answer.

I don't think that our souls come from Amazon or Walmart.com. The correct simple answer is that our souls come from God. God has always known us even before the universe was created. Interesting sex-ed you provided but I'm sure most of us learned that stuff years ago. As far as the Chevy is concerned I used to be a Chrysler man in my younger years.

Enocish · Jul 17, 2018

I read your blog, Sounds interesting, I want to understand what you are saying better.
Correct me were i go wrong.
My understandings are in green would you say i am close or way off.

Man is tripartite; body, soul and spirit. - Man is a Trinity

His body comes from his parents, - Flesh and blood
His spirit comes from God, - Angelic body
and his soul, i.e., himself, - His Intellect
is the result of this union of body and spirit, - Not what you are referring to here, Kind of sounds like flesh man again, The man who walks under the sun.

a new individual without an experience of any kind, - Without remembrance of the things before .
but good because made by God Himself. Man is a soul, he possesses a spirit and a body, -
Man has a soul, Also possesses 2 bodies

the former whereby he can contact the spirit world, - This sounds like the angelic body, which was created at the beginning Before God create flesh man.

and the latter with which to enter and appreciate the material world. - This sounds like a flesh man, Taken together with the above it sounds as though you are suggesting they were created at the same time.

The soul, if it loses its body, is dead to this world; - The flesh man dies and goes to be with the Lord.
if it loses its spirit, it is dead to God and the Heavenly world. - Dies the second death, Unfortunately, there will a lot of those.
If it loses both, it is dead to both worlds, conscious only of the isolation and hopeless darkness of death. - You are speaking of the blotting out, Once that happens the rest of us won't even remember that person ever existed.

Gen 2v7—margin "lives," Num 16v22, Isaiah 57v16, Eccl 12v7, I Thess 5v23, Matt 11v11, Heb 4v12, John 3v6, I Cor 2v10-16, Job 10v21-22, Heb 2v15, Luke 12v5.

God, because He is omniscient, from before the foundation of the world knew ALL about every individual that He would create, every thought they would think, every motive and every deed they would do, God knew from before the foundation of the world. Psalm 139 (all). - He created them with free will and knew their potential. But does not make their choice for them.

Yahweh Shalom.

notuptome · Jul 17, 2018

Ezekiel 18:4 All souls are mine. All souls are Jehovah's.

The entire chapter is quite a read in light of this thread.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Enocish · Jul 17, 2018

garee said:

I get what you are saying. That's not true, I don't get it at all. That doesn't mean it isn't true. It just went over my head. But that's ok. I still a believer that the answer is in there. If Christ is our example. We can look at him. God was around before the beginning. He is all through the old testament. Yet he put his own soul into Mary's Womb and came out Jesus. And I didn't do it the through traditional methods. That makes it The Immaculate Conception. Christ would never ask us to do anything he himself is willing to do. So why is it so hard to perceive that we were angels in the first world age. And we then had to come to this earth age through the womb of women. and we came out as our self in the flesh body just like God did.
Now some may not believe that. But for me it helps explain why God hated esau and loved Jacob, How lucifer had millions of years to get into trouble with God. And he still has not been executed yet. Suggesting that no one really has ever died yet.
I have to run i will be back in a bit. More to come.

Enocish · Jul 17, 2018

there are flaws in above post but it would not allow me to edit. Sorry

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