Ranting that Jesus was sinless is not "a strawman". A strawman argument is one where a critic sets up a simplified and distorted caricature of a position and attacks that caricature instead of attacking the actual argument.
Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?
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Ranting that Jesus was sinless is not "a strawman". A strawman argument is one where a critic sets up a simplified and distorted caricature of a position and attacks that caricature instead of attacking the actual argument.
Scripture says He came in the flesh. The fallen nature of man is what flesh is, so He resided within our nature but Jesus is also God. God is Spirit, Light, and love and is greater than men being the creator of all things.
This is how He overcame our humanity for us in being tempted in all things man is tempted, yet yielded not once to it. And is why faith in His grace freely given is greater than men trying to please Father by obedience to law.
The power of grace (the overcoming One) is always greater than sinful actions when we put our trust in the blood sacrifice of Gods own Son, on the mercy seat before Father in heaven. This being the plan of Father before time is what pleases God, for His blood is a pure innocent life flow for us all. The ungodly.
This is how He overcame our humanity for us in being tempted in all things man is tempted, yet yielded not once to it. And is why faith in His grace freely given is greater than men trying to please Father by obedience to law.
The power of grace (the overcoming One) is always greater than sinful actions when we put our trust in the blood sacrifice of Gods own Son, on the mercy seat before Father in heaven. This being the plan of Father before time is what pleases God, for His blood is a pure innocent life flow for us all. The ungodly.
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pjharrison
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So DevotiontoBible, you taught me something. I now realize that Mary, through her womb provided Jesus with the flesh and the soul, because God if spirit. He probably looked like Mary. This is how God teaches me. He slaps me down sometimes. Why I didn't put that together until now, I don't know. So thanks, you put up a good fight, even in my ignorance.
Women do not carry the "seed" - they carry the "egg". So the term "her seed" in Genesis 3:15 and "the Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you." is the "seed" being miraculously placed in her by God. "Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity." (NIV) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; (KJV)Yes you are right. He would be her seed because she carried him in her womb.
What did he share? flesh and blood . . .
Do you think that if the Israelites had prepared a lamb that had spot, wrinkle or blemish for Pentecost would have been acceptable to God and that the angel of death would have passed over them? The lambs were to be without "defect" to be acceptable. . . having a "sinful human nature" would be a "defect" not acceptable as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.
The Bible always talks about the seed coming from the father. BUT! in this case only the seed is said to come from "her". I'm glad you can see it now.
Sure, a human with a sinful nature can be an acceptable sacrifice as long as that human never committed a sin. That is what spotless means. If you don't have your Jesus being from the seed of Mary then your Jesus is NOT a descendant of David (who was born with a sinful nature and passed it on to his children) and therefore NOT the Christ.
The seed ALWAYS comes from the Father. The seed for Jesus came from THE Father. Genesis 3:15 is an allusion to the virgin birth.
Spotless means no sin, including not having a sinful nature.
Women do not have seed. They have eggs. The seed comes from the father. In Jesus' case, the seed came from THE Father.
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pjharrison
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I thought that too, but god said to Satan I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: it shall bruise thy head, and thou shall bruise his hill. And I realized that Mary's womb gave Jesus his flesh and his soul, because he is spirit.
Sinful nature does not mean a person is sinful. It means we are born with a condition that is oriented to death. Jesus could not have died without it.
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pjharrison
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I want to know the truth. She was his mother.
Question: How does Jesus come out without being like Adam After the fall, is it because there was no seed of the man?
Jesus was like Adam after the fall in His humanity. The difference is that Jesus was a God man. The hypostatic union made coupled God with our fallen humanity so that God could die on the cross Acts 20:28.
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pjharrison
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jaybird88
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My Jesus has God as his Father - the "seed" comes from the father - that is biology 101. A woman does not carry "seed" which in humans comes from the male - but Jesus was miraculously conceived via the Holy Spirit. If Jesus has a "human sinful nature", it would have to come from the "seed" . . . God is pure, God is holy. Jesus was born HOLY - no "human sinful nature." "therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." Jesus was the Son of God born of a woman, partaking of flesh and blood, without any flaws and he stayed that way through total obedience to his Father. From your prospective - ANYONE could have been the Messiah - He didn't have to be born of God, sent from God - a pure, holy sacrifice.
But this is not biology we believe but revelation in the Bible which overrides biology. It says the seed was Mary's and that Mary was His mother. Therefore, Jesus had a sinful nature because the seed was from Mary.
Yes, God said He would put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and "her seed". . . . as has been said repeatedly women do not carry seed . . . therefore, the "seed" was placed in Mary miraculously by THE Holy Spirit . . . the "seed" came from God.
That's the same thing as saying God had a sinful human nature . . . LOL! REALLY????
Why would conception for Mary be any different that in other women? It takes seed and it takes an egg then conception. Mary had the egg - she was the vessel for God to place the "seed" and Jesus was conceived.
Then that would not be Mary's seed but would have been seed "placed" in her.