FLAT EARTH
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how does the earth's core "govern the night" and how is it "for signs and seasons, days and years" ?
how did God set the earth's core "in the expanse of the heavens to give light to the earth" ?
how did God set the earth's core "in the expanse of the heavens to give light to the earth" ?
And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness.
(Genesis 1:14-18)
(Genesis 1:14-18)
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sure, but how?
the things we see in nature, which He created, follow physical patterns of identifiable cause and effect, once we find knowledge of the causes. He made a universe which is orderly and systematic, abiding by natural laws of motion and interaction with itself. did He break that pattern with the moon, making it to 'supernaturally' appear to pass regularly through the shadow of a spherical earth while not actually doing so?
does the moon physically 'make sense' or is it completely 'unnatural' in its behavior?
the things we see in nature, which He created, follow physical patterns of identifiable cause and effect, once we find knowledge of the causes. He made a universe which is orderly and systematic, abiding by natural laws of motion and interaction with itself. did He break that pattern with the moon, making it to 'supernaturally' appear to pass regularly through the shadow of a spherical earth while not actually doing so?
does the moon physically 'make sense' or is it completely 'unnatural' in its behavior?
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No it does just what God meant for it to do. Why would it do anything other than what it was created for? If you are speaking of a solar system, with 11 other planets, I don't believe there are any other planets. Just what God said in the beginning at creation. The Sun, Moon and the Stars. The waters divided, and a firmament.
why did God mean for it to appear in absolutely every respect to be a sphere orbiting a spherical earth which in turn orbits a sun, following a predictable path that looks exactly like one arising from gravitational attraction?
why did He make certain of the lights in the sky to appear to move radically differently than the stars, exactly as though they are planets? why would He design the heavens such that all of the math works out precisely to describe their motions in a heliocentric, spheroid-body model? why would He cause them to appear to be planets whenever anyone made a telescope and looked at them?
did God do all this in order to trick humanity into believing a lie?
"the heavens declare His handiwork" -- is His handiwork falsehoods, lawlessness and confusion?
why did He make certain of the lights in the sky to appear to move radically differently than the stars, exactly as though they are planets? why would He design the heavens such that all of the math works out precisely to describe their motions in a heliocentric, spheroid-body model? why would He cause them to appear to be planets whenever anyone made a telescope and looked at them?
did God do all this in order to trick humanity into believing a lie?
"the heavens declare His handiwork" -- is His handiwork falsehoods, lawlessness and confusion?
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President Trump have flown on a plane and see no curvature of planet earth, the fact that he can't see any curve on planet earth is most likely due to the fact that the earth is flat
If however, you insist that the earth is round because of how big the earth is and how round earth can give the illusion of being flat, you mind as well say that the earth is as big as planet Jupiter, which is blatantly absurd
given the eye-witness account of President Trump and Romans 13:1-7, and the fact that no scientist will every say that the earth is the size of planet Jupiter, we can conclude based on exhibit A (President Trump), exhibit B (the book of Romans), and exhibit C (earth is not Jupiter sized) that instead of the earth being round
the earth is flat
I rest my case
If however, you insist that the earth is round because of how big the earth is and how round earth can give the illusion of being flat, you mind as well say that the earth is as big as planet Jupiter, which is blatantly absurd
given the eye-witness account of President Trump and Romans 13:1-7, and the fact that no scientist will every say that the earth is the size of planet Jupiter, we can conclude based on exhibit A (President Trump), exhibit B (the book of Romans), and exhibit C (earth is not Jupiter sized) that instead of the earth being round
the earth is flat
I rest my case
no, actually that question ((why would the moon be physically 'lawless' when all the rest of creation is apparently physically 'lawful')) is like asking why would God create something completely out of character for God -- it's asking, why would God seemingly purposefully create deception?
everything measurable and observable in our universe points to and 100% agrees with an heliocentric solar system with spherical planets & moons. nothing measurable and observable in our universe agrees with or points to a frisbee earth.
God has given us all kinds of evidence in His creation and given us intelligence to sort out how His creation works and is designed. 'flat earth' models propose that all the observable and measurable evidence God has given us are lies.
there is no flat earth model that explains the moon, but the heliocentric, spheroid-heavenly-body model explains it perfectly.
what flat earth suggests is that God has intentionally deceived mankind by the nature of His creation.
that is not asking, 'why is God good' -- flat earth begs the question, 'why is God evil?' because it makes Him a creator of lies.
lol ok...
planets, moons, the sun at the center of a system, and gravity were not 'invented' in the last 60 years ((NASA has only existed since 1958)) -- they've been observed and described by mankind for thousands of years.
everything measurable and observable in our universe points to and 100% agrees with an heliocentric solar system with spherical planets & moons. nothing measurable and observable in our universe agrees with or points to a frisbee earth.
God has given us all kinds of evidence in His creation and given us intelligence to sort out how His creation works and is designed. 'flat earth' models propose that all the observable and measurable evidence God has given us are lies.
there is no flat earth model that explains the moon, but the heliocentric, spheroid-heavenly-body model explains it perfectly.
what flat earth suggests is that God has intentionally deceived mankind by the nature of His creation.
that is not asking, 'why is God good' -- flat earth begs the question, 'why is God evil?' because it makes Him a creator of lies.
lol ok...
planets, moons, the sun at the center of a system, and gravity were not 'invented' in the last 60 years ((NASA has only existed since 1958)) -- they've been observed and described by mankind for thousands of years.
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Isaiah 40:22 It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. A ball is differant than a circle. Ddeuteronomy 14:2 For you are holy people to Lord your God. Out of all the people on the face of the earth, the Lord has chosen you to be his chosen possession. I think the face would be a flat surface, which has a bottom part.
Doesn't say the Earth is flat. Doesn't say the Earth is a circle. Says there is a circle that is of the Earth. A drawing of a globe is a circle. A circle is a globe minus one dimension. A globe has a face, which on paper or from a distance is circular. You didn't even read, it appears, the post by Posthuman you were responding to.
Maybe the mountain was the moon and the earth was rotating. You could see it all that way, Regardless if Jesus was high on a mountain or the moon He is God and could certainly see all the kingdoms of the world whether it was flat or round. I believe that what Jesus saw was not only the existing kingdoms but every kingdom that would ever exist. You don't need a flat earth to see in the future but of course, even a crystal ball is round.
raqia: an extended surface, expanse
Original Word: רָקִ֫יעַ
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: raqia
Phonetic Spelling: (raw-kee'-ah)
Short Definition: expanse
firmament just means 'expanse'
there's no problem at all.
the problem is that every bit of observable and measurable evidence in the sky ((and below it)) points to the earth is definitely not a frisbee, and the heavens declare God's handiwork. God's handiwork is not confusion and it is not lies.
if the earth is flat, the evidence that He put in the heavens for us to see is lies, because the heavens declare that the earth is a globe, and the moon also.