I don't believe you have to pray in tongues to pray in the spirit. you can be praying in the spirit in your own language..that is, in 'tune' with the Holy Spirit. as praying in the spirit does not specifically indicate tongues, I hesitate to say it 'must' be tongues but I will agree probably often is but I think we need to be careful about over generalizing because, IMO, tongues are abused to day like in the Corinthian church
Where is there an example in the Bible showing that praying in the spirit is praying "in tune" with the Holy Spirit? I know that we are to "fervent in spirit" (Acts 18:25 and Rom 12:11), but where is there an example of praying in the Spirit that is not talking about speaking in tongues? In 1 Cor 12:3 tongues is referred to as "speaking by the Spirit of God", Paul explicitly states that speaking in tongues is praying in the spirit in 1 Cor 14:13-15 and in v16 it is called "bless with the spirit".
Paul does say he wishes all would pray in tongues...but then goes on to say that not everyone does. I doubt he meant everyone should practice tongues after telling them to calm it down.
How could Paul (again by revelation) say that he desires all Christians to speak in tongues but not mean it? And as far as "calming it down", he was certainly not telling them to stop speaking in tongues. He was telling them how to do it properly. The Corinthians were all speaking out loud at once, and nobody was interpreting. He told them that if a person wants to speak in tongues aloud in the church, he should pray with the intent to interpret. And only two or three people should do it, and it should be done in order, not all at the same time.
I don't believe scripture indicates that being sealed is the same as being filled.
There are different aspects to being "filled" (Acts 2:4; 4:8, 31; 13:9, 52; Eph 5:18), but when a person is saved, he receives the gift of the Holy Spirit. That gives him the ability to operate the manifestations of that spirit.
that would not explain the events in Acts where some were saved but were still asked if they had received the Holy Spirit.
What that shows us is that the apostles were concerned or interested in seeing people manifest the Holy Spirit. If you see someone manifest the Holy Spirit by speaking in tongues, you know that are born again, saved. That's what flabbergasted Peter with Cornelius. Hearing them speak in tongues was proof that Cornelius and his family were saved.
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.” (1 Corinthians 12:7-11)
even in the quote above, it indicates that one has this gift and another a different gift
There has been a lot of discussion on this. But it should be obvious that people have the ability to operate more than one manifestation, because just two chapters later, Paul says:
1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater
is he that prophesieth than
he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
13) Wherefore let
him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
Paul is saying that the person who speaks in tongues is to be the one to interpret.
23) If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and
all speak with tongues, and there come in
those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24)
But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or
one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
Those verses indicate that all CAN speak in tongues, and all CAN prophesy.
yes all from the Holy Spirit as God directs but they are commonly referred to as gifts
Yes, they are commonly called gifts, but that is unfortunate. Being called a "gift" implies that it's something special, only some people get it, and others don't.
1 Cor 12:
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But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
4 There are different kinds of gifts. But they are all given to believers by the same Spirit. 5 There are different ways to serve. But they all come from the same Lord. 6 There are different ways the Spirit works. But the same God is working in all these ways and in all people.
7 The Holy Spirit is given to each of us in a special way. That is for the good of all. 8 To some people the Spirit gives a message of wisdom. To others the same Spirit gives a message of knowledge. 9 To others the same Spirit gives faith. To others that one Spirit gives gifts of healing. 10 To others he gives the power to do miracles. To others he gives the ability to prophesy. To others he gives the ability to tell the spirits apart. To others he gives the ability to speak in different kinds of languages they had not known before. And to still others he gives the ability to explain what was said in those languages. 11 All the gifts are produced by one and the same Spirit. He gives gifts to each person, just as he decides.
I Corinthians 12
I'm not sure what translation that is, but it's not very good, IMO, especially verse 7. (and no, I am not a KJV Only person...
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4) Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5) And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6) And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7) But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8) For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9) To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10) To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another
divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11) But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
There are differences of gifts, differences of administrations, differences of operations, BUT the manifestation of the spirit is given to everyone (Christian). And again, the overall context of 1 Cor 12-14 is Christian meetings, and different people are inspired to do different things.
The point is that speaking in tongues is never called a gift in the Bible. It is one of the nine manifestations of the gift of the Holy Spirit, one that God says (through Paul) that He would like every Christian to operate.
garees posts do need clarification and are somewhat misunderstood because of how he connects verses
but you can't fault his delivery! polite always
Agreed. garee is always polite.
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