Speaking in tongues

[yellowcanary]

DJ2,

have you been banned ? I see you are still here. I have asked you to move on. You have choose to make this personal . I will forward this thread onto admin . Make your comments to the room DO NOT address me. If you have an issue you can Pm me but we will not have this discussion here in this setting it is disrespectful to the originator of the thread. iI does not matter what you think of me what matters is you follow the rules .. I apologize to “blessedaferican” for this happening on your thread. I am sorry for that .

Thank you,

I hope this holds true and not just for DJ2 but for all concerned. For what it's worth, I would never report a poster (or post) for a personal slam against me or something I happen to believe that goes contrary to their own. Tempers are bound to flare at times over controversial topics such as this one. Lessons in patience will never hurt any of us.

 

[CS1]

I hope this holds true and not just for DJ2 but for all concerned. For what it's worth, I would never report a poster (or post) for a personal slam against me or something I happen to believe that goes contrary to their own. Tempers are bound to flare at times over controversial topics such as this one. Lessons in patience will never hurt any of us.

we do have rules and if you have issues you casn pm a mod or site aDMIN. just know We connot give you reason as why a person is no longer here . That is personal even if they were banned. it is repsect to the past or presnt members .

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I would refer you to Gideon. Judges 6:36-40

For the cause of Christ
Roger

no one here will identify with Gideon in the sense of his experience being asked to lead a nation

I obviously was speaking of a personal question to God from an individual

I'm not making doctrine here

you know, there is such a thing as personal experience. life is not a series of verses from scripture

as Jesus said, the spirit of the law goes beyond the do and do not do

 

[notuptome]

no one here will identify with Gideon in the sense of his experience being asked to lead a nation

I obviously was speaking of a personal question to God from an individual

I'm not making doctrine here

you know, there is such a thing as personal experience. life is not a series of verses from scripture

as Jesus said, the spirit of the law goes beyond the do and do not do

You have never put out a fleece before God?

Gideon wanted to know what God wanted him to do. The fleece was the indicator as to Gods will.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Thanks for the repl. I agree but again prophecy is not limited to time restrains as future alone. For instance God moved Moses to speak of the past as one who was there working n the affairs of men . The truth did not become truth then, it was from the beginning of his witness.

so that's what you mean! I really did not know. I understand this better now

And I am not equating the sign as prophecy no sign for prophecy other than a believing new heart. The sign is against those who refuse to hear prophecy .God mocking the Jews that would not hear the word of God but rather chased after the oral traditions of men making the word of God, prophecy without effect .

I'm still kinda fuzzy on this one. sorry

Its what I believe the law conveys.

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; (the apostate Jews) and yet for all that will they (the apostate Jews) not hear me, saith the Lord.Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, (prophecy) but to them(the apostate Jews) that" believe not": but prophesying (declaring the word of God) serveth not for them (the apostate Jews) that believe not (no faith) , but for them which believe (the word of God) .1 Corinthians 14 :21- 22


We can look at the foundation of the law and see if it reflects the same a ssign for those who refuse to hear prophecy .

ok...this may be the issue not being understood that you are trying to convey

are you connecting 'tongues' only to Jews? again, I would like to remind you that on the day of Pentecost, over 3000 were saved..and are you saying tongues are prophecy because of the prophecy about them? let me know if I understood

why do you think the expression 'stammering lips' is God mocking? because of the word stammer? that word does not mean to mock...it actually means difficulty in speaking

 

[7seasrekeyed]

You have never put out a fleece before God?

Gideon wanted to know what God wanted him to do. The fleece was the indicator as to Gods will.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Roger, what are you trying to say exactly?

 

[notuptome]

Roger, what are you trying to say exactly?

Gideon did not require tongues for a sign. Gideon asked God to show him what God wanted. We can do the same with prayer in our own language and God will answer.

Sometime the best plan is the simplest plan. Ask and ye shall receive.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Gideon did not require tongues for a sign. Gideon asked God to show him what God wanted. We can do the same with prayer in our own language and God will answer.

Sometime the best plan is the simplest plan. Ask and ye shall receive.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

oh is that what you mean!

there were no tongues in the OT...this is like telling me that Moses should have driven over the desert in a jeep..there were none LOL!

I wasn't posting about tongues in that reply...I was only speaking generally

come on Roger...where have I EVER said that tongues were a sign to me of God's existence?

I'll tell you though...with all the evil in this world, God must exist to keep it at bay or by now we would all be...poof...disappeared

as far as asking and receiving goes though, I did ask and I did receive

 

[Deade]

Gideon did not require tongues for a sign. Gideon asked God to show him what God wanted. We can do the same with prayer in our own language and God will answer.

Sometime the best plan is the simplest plan. Ask and ye shall receive.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

What makes you think anybody equates prayer tongues a sign. Prophetic tongues, which must be interpreted, are a sign. No so with prayer tongues. Paul tells us we should be in our closet / prayer-room to use this gift. It is for our own edification.

 

[shrume]

Gideon did not require tongues for a sign.

While that is true, it is completely irrelevant. It was not possible for anyone to speak in tongues before the day of Pentecost.

Gideon asked God to show him what God wanted.

Gideon knew what God had said, and what God wanted. He was asking for confirmation.

We can do the same with prayer in our own language and God will answer.

We can also speak in tongues and be speaking to God divine secrets (1 Cor 14:2), be edified (1 Cor 14:4), be giving thanks well (1 Cor 14:17), be doing what God wants us to do (1 Cor 14:5), be speaking the wonderful works of God, magnifying God (Acts 2:11; 10:46), and more.

Sometime the best plan is the simplest plan. Ask and ye shall receive.

The best plan is to do what God would like us to do:

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

 

[shrume]

What makes you think anybody equates prayer tongues a sign. Prophetic tongues, which must be interpreted, are a sign. No so with prayer tongues. Paul tells us we should be in our closet / prayer-room to use this gift. It is for our own edification.

What are "prophetic tongues"?

 

[Deade]

What are "prophetic tongues"?

That is exactly what you were describing when you posted:

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

If you have never witnessed this, it is hard to explain. I am not saying they can't be faked. I feel I have witnessed real ones and fake ones. The Holy Spirit gives discernation.

 

[shrume]

That is exactly what you were describing when you posted:

Speaking in tongues and interpreting is not "prophetic tongues". There is no such thing. When a person speaks in tongues and interprets, he is speaking in tongues and interpreting.

If you have never witnessed this, it is hard to explain. I am not saying they can't be faked. I feel I have witnessed real ones and fake ones. The Holy Spirit gives discernation.

I have witnessed tongues with interpretation many times.

But there is no place in the Bible that calls speaking in tongues and interpreting "prophetic tongues".

 

[yellowcanary]

These bans have nothing to due with being "rude". Look honestly at these posts and you will see the same language on many posts. These bans are simply CS1 bullying anyone who exposes his true nature. I have shown the misleading direction that pentecostals use to avoid the obvious hole in their theology and this is what he cannot tolerate. This is merely his attempt to quench the spirit of truth.

He cannot explain the lack of evidence for tongues, just as Catholics cannot do for transubstantion. So he uses the excuse of "rudeness" to stop the discussion.

By the way, Catholic forums will ban you as "rude" for asking for evidence also.

Your profile is "no longer accessible" so I'm assuming that it's just a waiting game now for your certain banishment. That's unfortunate. There is nothing hidden that won't be laid bare. Each of us will give account. God bless if you soon disappear

 

[notuptome]

oh is that what you mean!

there were no tongues in the OT...this is like telling me that Moses should have driven over the desert in a jeep..there were none LOL!

I wasn't posting about tongues in that reply...I was only speaking generally

come on Roger...where have I EVER said that tongues were a sign to me of God's existence?

I'll tell you though...with all the evil in this world, God must exist to keep it at bay or by now we would all be...poof...disappeared

as far as asking and receiving goes though, I did ask and I did receive

You all act like the Holy Spirit was non existent in the bible until Pentecost.

Tongues are first mentioned in Genesis so yes there were tongues in the OT. Remember old Nimrod and the tower of Babel?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Your profile is "no longer accessible" so I'm assuming that it's just a waiting game now for your certain banishment. That's unfortunate. There is nothing hidden that won't be laid bare. Each of us will give account. God bless if you soon disappear

Well if you poke the hornets nest often enough you get the attention of a bunch of very unhappy hornets.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[shrume]

You all act like the Holy Spirit was non existent in the bible until Pentecost.

John 7:
39) (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Tongues are first mentioned in Genesis so yes there were tongues in the OT. Remember old Nimrod and the tower of Babel?

The confusing of the languages in Genesis has nothing to do with the manifestation of speaking in tongues, which did not exist until the day of Pentecost..

 

[notuptome]

John 7:
39) (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)


The confusing of the languages in Genesis has nothing to do with the manifestation of speaking in tongues, which did not exist until the day of Pentecost..

You are wrong. The tower of Babel puts tongues into the proper biblical perspective. For the Jew tongues he could not understand were always a sign of Jehovah Gods judgment for apostasy.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[7seasrekeyed]

You all act like the Holy Spirit was non existent in the bible until Pentecost.

Tongues are first mentioned in Genesis so yes there were tongues in the OT. Remember old Nimrod and the tower of Babel?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I just logged back in Roger and I'm telling you that so you don't think I'm waiting breathlessly for your response

did you get that response from an old Reader's Digest?

no cookies for you

 

[notuptome]

I just logged back in Roger and I'm telling you that so you don't think I'm waiting breathlessly for your response

did you get that response from an old Reader's Digest?

no cookies for you

My ego will never recover from such a devastating blow. LOL

Got to do your home work. Good bible students know the rule of first appearances in the bible. They are significant and this is one of them.

For the cause of Christ
Roger