Christian holidays vs Biblical holidays

[Studyman]

Dispensationalism: (Israel and the "Church" are separate entities) “Dispensationalism is a theological system that teaches that biblical history is best understood in light of a number of successive administrations of God's dealings with mankind, which it calls ‘dispensations.’ It maintains fundamental distinctions between God's plans for national Israel and for the New Testament Church and emphasizes prophecy of an end-times and a pre-tribulation rapture of the church prior to Christ's Second Coming. Its beginnings are usually associated with the Plymouth Brethren movement in the UK and the teachings of John Nelson Darby.” (www.theopedia.com)

I agree but might humbly point out that the serpent set out to divide the Word of God against itself in the very first example of its deception.

Gen.3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

This is certainly true, God did most certainly say this.

Gen. 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

The serpent knows the Word of God, and used it to deceive Eve in the very beginning of the examples God had written for our admonition.

The serpent also knew it must not use "Every Word" of God because that would not have deceived, but strengthened Eve. Its goal , its job, is to deceive. And from the beginning it has used parts of God's Word to accomplish its goal.

Had Eve just trusted God enough, just had Faith in God enough to believe His Words, all of them, she would have escaped the temptation. God gave her the escape. "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

All she needed was to believe in Him, to have Faith, like Abraham.

I truly love your addition and perspective on this forum J74.

Thank you.

 

[Jeremiah74]

God the Father said hear Him. in the presence of Moses ( the Law ) and Elijah ( the Prophets ).
they key is hear Him.

so, I am discussing Scripture. you are selectively editing Scripture.

How is saying" hear him" elevate and seperate? when I have already given you MANY verses that point back to the father.
He is teaching the ways of his father. What else would he be teaching?
I noticed early on that you accuse others of exactly what you do.

 

[Studyman]

another verse yanked out of context. your specialty.

But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

 

[Jeremiah74]

another verse yanked out of context. your specialty.

Ephesians 3:6
This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.

 

[Jeremiah74]

Ephesians 3:6
This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.

Acts 7:38
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Strong's Concordance

logion: a saying, an oracle​

Original Word: λόγιον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: logion
Phonetic Spelling: (log'-ee-on)
Short Definition: divine communication
Definition: plur: oracles, divine responses or utterances (it can include the entire Old Testament)

 

[gb9]

Ephesians 3:6
This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.

if you keep reading, in v. 8 Paul tells us that God gave him grace to preach to the gentiles the riches of Christ.

not keeping the law. Christ saves. the law does not.

 

[gb9]

19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

the greek word for command used here, and in v.14 does not have to mean the Torah. it can be an ordnance or injunction.

the greek word for law is different , and not used here.

as usual, when one finds out what the words mean, you are proven wrong.

 

[Jeremiah74]

if you keep reading, in v. 8 Paul tells us that God gave him grace to preach to the gentiles the riches of Christ.

not keeping the law. Christ saves. the law does not.

Your right there. Christ does provide a path to salvation.
How AWSOME!! He, Paul , was instructed to bring the Gospel message(Christ) to the gentiles. What else did he preach except what he knew?
And what did Paul know? Hmmm . The Torah and Profits. He also knew the Talmud because he was a Pharisee . but since Christ always rebuked Pharisee ism we know he didn't teach that.

He taught Christ/The Word John 1:1

 

[Jeremiah74]

if you keep reading, in v. 8 Paul tells us that God gave him grace to preach to the gentiles the riches of Christ.

not keeping the law. Christ saves. the law does not.

Your right there. Christ does provide a path to salvation.
How AWSOME!! He, Paul , was instructed to bring the Gospel message(Christ) to the gentiles. What else did he preach except what he knew?
And what did Paul know? Hmmm . The Torah and Profits. He also knew the Talmud because he was a Pharisee . but since Christ always rebuked Pharisee ism we know he didn't teach that.

He taught Christ/The Word John 1:1

Oh. by the way you did not really give your explanation to these, well you gave a week one for 14:12 but what about 21:12

How do you explain there NOT being a gate for gentiles to enter the Kingdom?

Revelation 14:12
12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 21:12
and having a great and high wall, having twelve gates, and at the gates twelve messengers, and names written on them, which are those of the twelve tribes of the children of Yisra’ĕl:

This is the Kingdom. Do you see a gate for the gentiles? NO..

 

[Jeremiah74]

How can someone say "I am a gentile, Gods Laws do not apply to me" and expect to get into Gods Kingdom ? Makes no sense ..

Sounds a lot like rebellion.

No wonder we are called CHILDREN, we don't even qualify as teenagers .

Ezekiel prophesied about rebellion. 12:1-3
1 The word of the LORD also came to me, saying, 2 Son of man, you dwell in the middle of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house. 3 Therefore, you son of man, prepare you stuff for removing, and remove by day in their sight; and you shall remove from your place to another place in their sight: it may be they will consider, though they be a rebellious house

 

[CS1]

Look up the origins of Easter. how does it have anything to do with the messiah?

I did look it up from a Christian world view not a pagan world view

 

[Studyman]

the greek word for command used here, and in v.14 does not have to mean the Torah. it can be an ordnance or injunction.

the greek word for law is different , and not used here.

as usual, when one finds out what the words mean, you are proven wrong.

I see, so in your religion God's Laws and God's Commandments are not the same.

 

[Jeremiah74]

I understand, Growing up Baptist Church and school we always did the (traditional) Easter celebrations. When I got older I started to question is this how we are to honor our God, our King, Savior?

as for me personally, This is really what got to me after looking up origins.

Jeremiah 16:19-21
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods?

21 Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is The LORD.(YHVH)

Which now I know THE LORD is simply a English title given to British land owners.

The KJV translators where following a Jewish tradition that developed which taught the name was too Holy to be spoken except by the high priest one day a year.

Jeremiah rebuked them saying you teachers of Israel teach my people to swear by Ba'al I am sending you into captivity, and you will not see me until you say Blessed is he who comes in the name of YHVH (paraphrasing)

 

[gb9]

I see, so in your religion God's Laws and God's Commandments are not the same.

I see, so in your religion God's Laws and God's Commandments are not the same.

you know. language and all.

 

[gb9]

Your right there. Christ does provide a path to salvation.
How AWSOME!! He, Paul , was instructed to bring the Gospel message(Christ) to the gentiles. What else did he preach except what he knew?
And what did Paul know? Hmmm . The Torah and Profits. He also knew the Talmud because he was a Pharisee . but since Christ always rebuked Pharisee ism we know he didn't teach that.

He taught Christ/The Word John 1:1

what did Paul know? let's ask Him- 1st Corinthians 2 v. 2 ( Paul)- " for I am determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified."

so, another Hebrew roots fail.

 

[Jeremiah74]

what did Paul know? let's ask Him- 1st Corinthians 2 v. 2 ( Paul)- " for I am determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified."

so, another Hebrew roots fail.

So did he just go around saying" Jesus Christ was crucified"?
What is that suppose to prove?
You sure seem to hate Hebrew roots people which I never claimed to be.

 

[gb9]

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So did he just go around saying" Jesus Christ was crucified"?
What is that suppose to prove?
You sure seem to hate Hebrew roots people which I never claimed to be.

I do not hate anyone. Christians are told not to hate, not to return evil for evil.

there are a dozen or so of Paul's letters in the N. T. plenty of material. none of it says keep the law/ Sabbath.

you may not claim to be Hebrew roots, but you are 100% pushing their doctrine ( lies ).

oh, and Paul said he was determined to know nothing but Christ and Him Crucified. if you have issue with this, take it up with him'

you are the one who brought up what Paul knew. sorry you did not like what he himself said.

 

[posthuman]

19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.
(Leviticus 12:3) ​

 

[posthuman]

I see, so in your religion God's Laws and God's Commandments are not the same.

how is circumcision ((God's own law/commandment/covenant/ordinance/etc)) become "nothing" ?

 

[Studyman]

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And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. ​

(Leviticus 12:3) ​

Lev. 26:
40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity: