Revelation 3:5

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...but who is powerless to deliver you from your sin.

Yes, I know all about this popular teaching in the church today.
To quote you......"We need substance from you, not chatter." and you have already proven that you do not trust JESUS....you constantly point to yourself and SAY I MUST.........just another religionist pushing a false dogma with no power.....
 
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Now prove your point using scripture and show us where my believing/trusting is me trying to earn my justification/salvation.

We need substance from you, not chatter.
DUDE, get over yourself and your mouthy comments....NUMEROUS people have given you truth and like your pal who is no longer with us....you reject and push you I KEEP MYSELF saved crap....
 
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#83
you have already proven that you do not trust JESUS..
I trust Jesus. That's what my believing is.


..you constantly point to yourself and SAY I MUST....
We must continue to trust in Jesus to be saved when he comes back. He's not coming back to save people who don't believe and trust in him.


.....just another religionist pushing a false dogma with no power.....
Trusting in the blood of Christ for salvation makes me a 'religionist'? That's funny.
 
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I trust Jesus. That's what my believing is.



We must continue to trust in Jesus to be saved when he comes back. He's not coming back to save people who don't believe and trust in him.



Trusting in the blood of Christ for salvation makes me a 'religionist'? That's funny.
Keep telling yourself that.....dozens of pages of posts prove you really do not believe and or trust Christ.....for sure you trust yourself while throwing Christ under the bus.....
 
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No. Jesus keeps me saved as I trust him to do that. Get the argument right.
Nawww....DUDE....you do not really believe that....I have seen you post more than a dozen times that YOU must keep yourself saved and in the faith....you may deceive a few on here...most see right through the drivel you believe and post....
 
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Question for all who think think they will be saved apart from faith: Are you serious? LOL
 
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Nawww....DUDE....you do not really believe that....I have seen you post more than a dozen times that YOU must keep yourself saved and in the faith
I must keep believing to the very end to be saved when Jesus comes back. That is what I've been saying.

Jesus keeps me saved as I continue to trust in his blood for the forgiveness of sin. If I stop trusting in the blood, I, like the Galatians, will no longer have the blood to cover my sins and make me righteous and so I will cease to be a New Covenant heir of the kingdom.
 
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Keep telling yourself that.....dozens of pages of posts prove you really do not believe and or trust Christ.....for sure you trust yourself while throwing Christ under the bus.....
God gives the power of faith to believe and be saved. I would not be able to believe except that God gave me the supernatural power through the gift of faith to know that the gospel really is true. It's only because he did that that I can respond with my trust and be saved.
 
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I must keep believing to the very end to be saved when Jesus comes back. That is what I've been saying.

Jesus keeps me saved as I continue to trust in his blood for the forgiveness of sin. If I stop trusting in the blood, I, like the Galatians, will no longer have the blood to cover my sins and make me righteous and so I will cease to be a New Covenant heir of the kingdom.
Wrong again.....amazes me how ignorant the above saying or belief is.....you Jesus must be weak pal.....the bolded proves you do not trust JESUS....a bland man can see that you do not trust JESUS.....too many I's
 
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Wrong again.....amazes me how ignorant the above saying or belief is.....you Jesus must be weak pal.....the bolded proves you do not trust JESUS....a bland man can see that you do not trust JESUS.....too many I's
So Jesus does your believing for you......while you live unchanged in your old life. I am familiar with this popular doctrine in the church today.

Calvinism is easily the worst thing that has happened to the reformed church. Look where it has brought us to.
 
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So Jesus does your believing for you.

Calvinism is easily the worst thing that has happened to the reformed church.
Apply the zzz to your own post....Calvin means nothing to me.....now you on the other hand...your gospel is as follows....

Those who stand against the truths of the bible teach the following....

a. Saved to the uttermost means not saved at all
b. Sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise means not sealed
c. I will never leave the means he will leave thee
d. Nor forsake the means he will forsake thee
e. Eternal life means conditional and temporary
f. Everlasting life means conditional and temporary
g. In the Father's hand means not in the Father's hand
h. In Christ's hand means not in Christ's hand
i. Nothing shall separate us from the Love of God means something will separate us from the love of God
j. Kept by the power of God means God has no power and we are thrown under the bus
k. I give unto them eternal life means he gives us temporary life
l. Saved by faith means saved by self service and what we do
m. When I see the blood I will pass over you means God will not pass over cause the blood of Christ is ineffectual
n. Where sin abounds grace did much more abound means God's grace is weak and our sin is more powerful
o. Saved does not mean saved
p. Justified by faith/blood means rendered guilty and the blood is ineffectual
q. Sanctified eternally in Christ means NOT sanctified in Christ
r. Christ beginning a work of faith means He did not do it we did it
s. Jesus finishing a work of faith in us means he is weak and cannot finish it because we must finish it for him
t. Jesus completing the work of faith is us means we must complete it because Jesus is weak and ineffectual and cannot complete it
u. ETC

The above is exactly what ALL those who believe salvation can be lost or forfeit believe...regardless of their denial......end of story.
 
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Calvin means nothing to me.
The stain of Calvinism is all over the church whether you realize it or not.

If Jesus is doing our believing for us he is doing a lousy job of it. Just look at the church around you, people.
 
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The stain of Calvinism is all over the church whether you realize it or not.

If Jesus is doing our believing for us he is doing a lousy job of it. Just look at the church around you, people.
More judgmental drivel......the people around me are biblical....and if you believe salvation can be lost or forfeit you believe the following...


a. Saved to the uttermost means not saved at all
b. Sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise means not sealed
c. I will never leave the means he will leave thee
d. Nor forsake the means he will forsake thee
e. Eternal life means conditional and temporary
f. Everlasting life means conditional and temporary
g. In the Father's hand means not in the Father's hand
h. In Christ's hand means not in Christ's hand
i. Nothing shall separate us from the Love of God means something will separate us from the love of God
j. Kept by the power of God means God has no power and we are thrown under the bus
k. I give unto them eternal life means he gives us temporary life
l. Saved by faith means saved by self service and what we do
m. When I see the blood I will pass over you means God will not pass over cause the blood of Christ is ineffectual
n. Where sin abounds grace did much more abound means God's grace is weak and our sin is more powerful
o. Saved does not mean saved
p. Justified by faith/blood means rendered guilty and the blood is ineffectual
q. Sanctified eternally in Christ means NOT sanctified in Christ
r. Christ beginning a work of faith means He did not do it we did it
s. Jesus finishing a work of faith in us means he is weak and cannot finish it because we must finish it for him
t. Jesus completing the work of faith is us means we must complete it because Jesus is weak and ineffectual and cannot complete it
u. ETC

The above is exactly what ALL those who believe salvation can be lost or forfeit believe...regardless of their denial......end of story.
 
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Apply the zzz to your own post....Calvin means nothing to me.....now you on the other hand...your gospel is as follows....

Those who stand against the truths of the bible teach the following....

a. Saved to the uttermost means not saved at all
b. Sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise means not sealed
c. I will never leave the means he will leave thee
d. Nor forsake the means he will forsake thee
e. Eternal life means conditional and temporary
f. Everlasting life means conditional and temporary
g. In the Father's hand means not in the Father's hand
h. In Christ's hand means not in Christ's hand
i. Nothing shall separate us from the Love of God means something will separate us from the love of God
j. Kept by the power of God means God has no power and we are thrown under the bus
k. I give unto them eternal life means he gives us temporary life
l. Saved by faith means saved by self service and what we do
m. When I see the blood I will pass over you means God will not pass over cause the blood of Christ is ineffectual
n. Where sin abounds grace did much more abound means God's grace is weak and our sin is more powerful
o. Saved does not mean saved
p. Justified by faith/blood means rendered guilty and the blood is ineffectual
q. Sanctified eternally in Christ means NOT sanctified in Christ
r. Christ beginning a work of faith means He did not do it we did it
s. Jesus finishing a work of faith in us means he is weak and cannot finish it because we must finish it for him
t. Jesus completing the work of faith is us means we must complete it because Jesus is weak and ineffectual and cannot complete it
u. ETC

The above is exactly what ALL those who believe salvation can be lost or forfeit believe...regardless of their denial......end of story.
What happened to the pile of poop icon?
 
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What happened to the pile of poop icon?
See....all you have is mouthy, prefabricated slogans from a religionist.....you cannot deal with the truth...to believe and espouse what you push you must sweep ALL of the scriptures under the rug

HERE..for all to see......the following truths must fail, be false or fraudulent in order to believe what you espouse....

a. Saved to the uttermost means not saved at all
b. Sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise means not sealed
c. I will never leave the means he will leave thee
d. Nor forsake the means he will forsake thee
e. Eternal life means conditional and temporary
f. Everlasting life means conditional and temporary
g. In the Father's hand means not in the Father's hand
h. In Christ's hand means not in Christ's hand
i. Nothing shall separate us from the Love of God means something will separate us from the love of God
j. Kept by the power of God means God has no power and we are thrown under the bus
k. I give unto them eternal life means he gives us temporary life
l. Saved by faith means saved by self service and what we do
m. When I see the blood I will pass over you means God will not pass over cause the blood of Christ is ineffectual
n. Where sin abounds grace did much more abound means God's grace is weak and our sin is more powerful
o. Saved does not mean saved
p. Justified by faith/blood means rendered guilty and the blood is ineffectual
q. Sanctified eternally in Christ means NOT sanctified in Christ
r. Christ beginning a work of faith means He did not do it we did it
s. Jesus finishing a work of faith in us means he is weak and cannot finish it because we must finish it for him
t. Jesus completing the work of faith is us means we must complete it because Jesus is weak and ineffectual and cannot complete it
u. ETC

The above is exactly what ALL those who believe salvation can be lost or forfeit believe...regardless of their denial......end of story.
 

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"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. " (Revelation 3:5)

So we can lose our salvation, can't we? Well, first off in this verse Jesus makes a promise. He says "will not blot out", not "might not blot out". It is a PROMISE to EVERYBODY that overcomes. Of course, those who do not overcome will be blot out. But who are the overcomers?

"For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. " (1 John 5:4)

If you are born again, you are an overcomer!

And who is in the Book of Life? When do you get included in there? When you get saved, correct? Well, let's see...

"Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them. " (Psalm 139:16)

So we all were written there before the foundation of the world. God bless
LW97....there was also a condition...."He that overcometh". Those who did, Jesus would not remove their name from the Book of life.

Blade
 
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Yep.....he gonna set us all straight.....HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH one of the biggest jokes ever told by past members.....

FOLKS.....do not buy this dime store, street organ playing dancing monkey farce that salvation can be lost or forfeit....the bible does not contradict itself and the following scriptural references must be swept under the rug, rejected, denied, twisted, refused, embellished etc. to teach or believe a loseable salvation.....

a. Saved to the uttermost means not saved at all
b. Sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise unto the day of redemption means not sealed
c. I will never leave the means he will leave thee
d. Nor forsake the means he will forsake thee
e. Eternal life means conditional and temporary
f. Everlasting life means conditional and temporary
g. In the Father's hand means not in the Father's hand
h. In Christ's hand means not in Christ's hand
i. Nothing shall separate us from the Love of God means something will separate us from the love of God
j. Kept by the power of God means God has no power and we are thrown under the bus
k. I give unto them eternal life means he gives us temporary life
l. Saved by faith means saved by self service and what we do
m. When I see the blood I will pass over you means God will not pass over cause the blood of Christ is ineffectual
n. Where sin abounds grace did much more abound means God's grace is weak and our sin is more powerful
o. Saved does not mean saved
p. Justified by faith/blood means rendered guilty and the blood is ineffectual
q. Sanctified eternally in Christ means NOT sanctified in Christ
r. Christ beginning a work of faith means He did not do it we did it
s. Jesus finishing a work of faith in us means he is weak and cannot finish it because we must finish it for him
t. Jesus completing the work of faith is us means we must complete it because Jesus is weak and ineffectual and cannot complete it
u. ETC

The above is exactly what ALL those who believe salvation can be lost or forfeit believe...regardless of their denial......end of story.
 
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OUR FAITH<-----this is what allows us to overcome.....the VICTORY....not A victory
 
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Yep.....he gonna set us all straight.....HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH one of the biggest jokes ever told by past members.....
I knew you couldn't do it. You know what I'm talking about. I made an appeal to you by the Spirit of God. You failed.

Until you can prove to me you are a believer I will continue to regard you as an unbeliever. You prove it over and over. You are one of the worst examples of how 'Christians' treat other Christians.