I answer questions. (Seeker of truth.)

[posthuman]

There has been no person saved at least in this age.

The true Christianity will be considered sect, the true Christians will be persecuted in the name of peace, love and anyone knows the lies that they invented.

If no one has been saved then isn't it so that there is no such thing as 'true Christianity' ?

 

[PennEd]

First of all, I thank you for arguing in detail to be able to defend me.

1º So that you may obtain eternal life, before you must be born again, Jesus said that. AND NOBODY is born again yet. There is a Christian belief that in order to be born again one must have faith again and that is enough. It is not like this. To be born again is to repent as it says in the messages to the churches in the apocalypse and then, after the Great Schism that will happen in the Church, to be born again of water and meat, in a rebaptism.

2nd I never said to take 2045 using numerology. I'm just saying, that the rapture should be before 2045 because that year is the singularity, and, this is a really traumatic event. Inform yourself

3º Here I agree with you. Nothing to object.

Matthew 16:
6 Then Jesus said to them, “Take heed and BEWARE of the[c]leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees.”

12 Then they understood that He did not tell them to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the [f]DOCTRINE of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Whether it be Spanish, or English, you use a LOT of "I"s "mys" and "me's".

TONS of places in Scripture that tell us that we whom God made new are CURRENTLY born again. Here's just one:
Ephesians 2 New King James Version (NKJV)
2 And you He MADE alive, who WERE dead in trespasses and sins,

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Matthew 16:
6 Then Jesus said to them, “Take heed and BEWARE of the[c]leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees.”

12 Then they understood that He did not tell them to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the [f]DOCTRINE of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Whether it be Spanish, or English, you use a LOT of "I"s "mys" and "me's".

TONS of places in Scripture that tell us that we whom God made new are CURRENTLY born again. Here's just one:
Ephesians 2 New King James Version (NKJV)
2 And you He MADE alive, who WERE dead in trespasses and sins,

right? "now we are the sons of God"

anyways

i thought this would be interesting when i saw the title... i started laughing instantly when i read the op...

but by the end of the first page i already saw multiple misunderstandings....

lol
still was a good laugh
...anyways

 

[joaniemarie]

This place is full of opinions and little truth, so you should fit in nicely.

LOL Well., I think some people here have given witness to the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ once in a while so I wouldn't say "little truth"

We each have a lot to learn about Jesus and the Bible. As a born again Christian I'm SO VERY THANKFUL we each individually have the Holy Spirit living in us to teach us and lead and guide us into ALL TRUTH. John 16

7 However, I am telling you nothing but the truth when I say it is profitable (good, expedient, advantageous) for you that I go away. Because if I do not go away, the Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Advocate, Intercessor, Strengthener, Standby) will not come to you [into close fellowship with you]; but if I go away, I will send Him to you [to be in close fellowship with you].

8 And when He comes, He will convict and convince the world and bring demonstration to it about sin and about righteousness (uprightness of heart and right standing with God) and about judgment:

9 About sin, because they do not believe in Me [trust in, rely on, and adhere to Me];

10 About righteousness (uprightness of heart and right standing with God), because I go to My Father, and you will see Me no longer;

11 About judgment, because the ruler (evil genius, prince) of this world [Satan] is judged and condemned and sentence already is passed upon him.

12 I have still many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them or to take them upon you or to grasp them now.

13 But when He, the Spirit of Truth (the Truth-giving Spirit) comes, He will guide you into all the Truth (the whole, full Truth). For He will not speak His own message [on His own authority]; but He will tell whatever He hears [from the Father; He will give the message that has been given to Him], and He will announce and declare to you the things that are to come [that will happen in the future].

14 He will honor and glorify Me, because He will take of (receive, draw upon) what is Mine and will reveal (declare, disclose, transmit) it to you.

15 Everything that the Father has is Mine. That is what I meant when I said that He [the Spirit] will take the things that are Mine and will reveal (declare, disclose, transmit) it to you.

 

[maxwel]

I know what you mean, I thought the same. But the reality is that there are several ways to do this. The first and most important is the progressive selective impaction neuroconnectors. In plain words, introduce nanorobots in your brain that will gradually replace your neurons. The other is through what the Second Gate carries. It's about creating a link between you and a complete immersive virtual reality, then reintroducing yourself into another body. All this I say is already being done and is funded by the United Nations.

I think you don't understand what I said.

If humans have a soul, it is, by definition, something metaphysical, and therefore not something which can be moved about by physical means.

If the soul exists, it is neither physical, nor an emergent property of the physical; it is something beyond the physical realm.
Therefore, you cannot, by any stretch of anyone's imagination, think up some way to move it around... as it has no physical properties to move.


And biblically, if we want to just go back to our bibles: when the soul finally does leave the body of a christian, it goes to be with the Lord... no detours allowed. God says no.


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[JaminG]

Most of the answers are purely emotional. None of the here present is interested in debating or opening up to another point of view, not even to interpret or investigate. They simply enter, release their bile and leave. I'm going to stop here, because what I write is falling apart. I am comforted by the fact that the rapture will not be for everyone, and that I will hear the gnashing of teeth from afar.
I said.
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you.

 

[kaylagrl]

You can not lose your salvation because you have not yet obtained it. There has been no person saved at least in this age. To obtain his salvation, he must repent when the Roman Church is born at the hand of Petrus Romanus. This will happen within really little, taking into account that we are at the end of the prophecies and the current pope should be Petrus Romanus, which is not, because Pope Francis is the false prophet of Revelation 13. It is no coincidence that he was elected , on 13 3 2013. In fact if you add 1 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 1 + 3 = 13. It's not chance, it's numerology. All this apart from his plan to destroy Christianity by promoting ecumenism and many other heresies in its encyclicals.

The rapture will be according to my knowledge 2045. Why? Because the technological Singularity is a really dramatic event. It will be really complicated to live in that world being a human without AI coupled. It can be something before, not later. I do not know the day nor the time, but the year is not so complicated knowing what is coming.
After this, the tribulation will begin immediately. The true Christianity will be considered sect, the true Christians will be persecuted in the name of peace, love and anyone knows the lies that they invented. The tribulation lasts 7 years, of which 3.5 are of peace. If it is reported about Imam Mahdi, it is precisely the years that he reigned, 7.

Wow oh wow!! So many issues here I don't know where to begin. Think you need to go back to the drawing board (Bible) and start again.

 

[maxwel]

Most of the answers are purely emotional. None of the here present is interested in debating or opening up to another point of view, not even to interpret or investigate. They simply enter, release their bile and leave. I'm going to stop here, because what I write is falling apart. I am comforted by the fact that the rapture will not be for everyone, and that I will hear the gnashing of teeth from afar.
I said.
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you.

Yes it is.



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[shrume]

Most of the answers are purely emotional. None of the here present is interested in debating or opening up to another point of view, not even to interpret or investigate. They simply enter, release their bile and leave. I'm going to stop here, because what I write is falling apart. I am comforted by the fact that the rapture will not be for everyone, and that I will hear the gnashing of teeth from afar.
I said.
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you.

Indeed it is..

 

[kaylagrl]

Most of the answers are purely emotional. None of the here present is interested in debating or opening up to another point of view, not even to interpret or investigate. They simply enter, release their bile and leave. I'm going to stop here, because what I write is falling apart. I am comforted by the fact that the rapture will not be for everyone, and that I will hear the gnashing of teeth from afar.
I said.
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you.

What you are writing is falling apart because its not based on the TRUTH. Thats your starting point. I am the Way,the Truth... Anything else is stumbling around in the dark.

 

[JaminG]

I think you don't understand what I said.

If humans have a soul, it is, by definition, something metaphysical, and therefore not something which can be moved about by physical means.

If the soul exists, it is neither physical, nor an emergent property of the physical; it is something beyond the physical realm.
Therefore, you cannot, by any stretch of anyone's imagination, think up some way to move it around... as it has no physical properties to move.


And biblically, if we want to just go back to our bibles: when the soul finally does leave the body of a christian, it goes to be with the Lord... no detours allowed. God says no.


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This was already raised. Read a bit of neuroscience. The transfer of the soul is really being proposed as I said. Its no a secret. It is done in universities like MIT, exactly what they call computational neurobiology. If I understood what you said. I thought exactly the same. I'm Christian. By machine learning algorithm machines you are creating a hypercomputer able to learn and improve human knowledge at a speed that borders on the unimaginable, coming almost to a divine intelligence. This artificial intelligence will one day conclude that despite being better than the human, and much more intelligent, does not understand what is the human soul, not the decrypted or understood, despite studying it knows that never could get. After this the machine thinks that the human being has something that never will have it and therefore becomes a serious threat.
I repeat that this is not mine, it's from Raymond Kurzweil, Chief Engineer of Google and Alphabet. It is not a gift Nobody.
I repeat that this is already being done, right now, and its culmination will be between 2040 and 2045.
The Christian of today should observe and become more cultured of the world around him. To devote all your life to the Bible ignoring everything else does not make you more than a simple fanatic.
Islam, Feminism, Transhumanism, Gender Ideology ... There is no blind person who does not want to see. A greeting.

 

[maxwel]

GUIDE TO NONSENSE:

One last point about moving the "consciousness" into another body.

To suggest we can simply replace the neurons with nanobots, then eventually your whole brain is replaced with nanobots, and VOILA, we have TRICKED your soul into attaching itself to something else... uhhh... where to even begin.



1. You'd have to prove that replacing neurons with nanobots is even possible... beyond just a theory on paper.
This is still a hypothetical technology.

2. You'd have to show that replacing ALL neurons with nanobots would lead to something other than complete system failure (death).
Since the whole technology is merely hypothetical, you certainly have NO IDEA what might happen when it's actually implemented, let alone implemented systemically.

3. You'd have to show that the soul (a metaphysical entity) would adhere to nanobots at all... and this is a huge set of absurd presumptions.
- You have to first assume the soul is actually "adhered to" our biological neurons... and we don't know any such thing at all.
- We have no idea how the soul interacts with the body.


This is nothing but one presupposition built atop another.


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[kaylagrl]

This was already raised. Read a bit of neuroscience. The transfer of the soul is really being proposed as I said. Its no a secret. It is done in universities like MIT, exactly what they call computational neurobiology. If I understood what you said. I thought exactly the same. I'm Christian. By machine learning algorithm machines you are creating a hypercomputer able to learn and improve human knowledge at a speed that borders on the unimaginable, coming almost to a divine intelligence. This artificial intelligence will one day conclude that despite being better than the human, and much more intelligent, does not understand what is the human soul, not the decrypted or understood, despite studying it knows that never could get. After this the machine thinks that the human being has something that never will have it and therefore becomes a serious threat.
I repeat that this is not mine, it's from Raymond Kurzweil, Chief Engineer of Google and Alphabet. It is not a gift Nobody.
I repeat that this is already being done, right now, and its culmination will be between 2040 and 2045.
The Christian of today should observe and become more cultured of the world around him. To devote all your life to the Bible ignoring everything else does not make you more than a simple fanatic.
Islam, Feminism, Transhumanism, Gender Ideology ... There is no blind person who does not want to see. A greeting.

Islam,Feminism,Transhumanism,Gender Ideology. Now there is a list of subjects. What is your opinion on these? Briefly of course.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

This was already raised. Read a bit of neuroscience. The transfer of the soul is really being proposed as I said. Its no a secret. It is done in universities like MIT, exactly what they call computational neurobiology. If I understood what you said. I thought exactly the same. I'm Christian. By machine learning algorithm machines you are creating a hypercomputer able to learn and improve human knowledge at a speed that borders on the unimaginable, coming almost to a divine intelligence. This artificial intelligence will one day conclude that despite being better than the human, and much more intelligent, does not understand what is the human soul, not the decrypted or understood, despite studying it knows that never could get. After this the machine thinks that the human being has something that never will have it and therefore becomes a serious threat.
I repeat that this is not mine, it's from Raymond Kurzweil, Chief Engineer of Google and Alphabet. It is not a gift Nobody.
I repeat that this is already being done, right now, and its culmination will be between 2040 and 2045.
The Christian of today should observe and become more cultured of the world around him. To devote all your life to the Bible ignoring everything else does not make you more than a simple fanatic.
Islam, Feminism, Transhumanism, Gender Ideology ... There is no blind person who does not want to see. A greeting.

someone sure thinks of themself as wise.....while taking comfort in the fact many dont come to Christ... and twisting the gospel to say things it does not... points to worldly things as wisdom....

calling others emotional as his posts are filled with the words of an offended boastful man......





hmmmmmmm

 

[JaminG]

Islam,Feminism,Transhumanism,Gender Ideology. Now there is a list of subjects. What is your opinion on these? Briefly of course.

There is only one way, and it is Christ our Lord. Everything else is cancer, so clear and rude. But that does not mean that I should not know my enemy. Which is what I have tried since the beginning of this post.

 

[JaminG]

someone sure thinks of themself as wise.....while taking comfort in the fact many dont come to Christ... and twisting the gospel to say things it does not... points to worldly things as wisdom....

calling others emotional as his posts are filled with the words of an offended boastful man......





hmmmmmmm

Here the only one who twists the gospel is the Jesuit Pope Francis and all the bishops considered progressive. If any of the here present is in favor of them that say it because then I will go quickly. I prefer to share a table with a feminist communist transverse Islamist rather than with a false Christian.

 

[maxwel]

This was already raised. Read a bit of neuroscience. The transfer of the soul is really being proposed as I said. Its no a secret. It is done in universities like MIT, exactly what they call computational neurobiology. If I understood what you said. I thought exactly the same. I'm Christian. By machine learning algorithm machines you are creating a hypercomputer able to learn and improve human knowledge at a speed that borders on the unimaginable, coming almost to a divine intelligence. This artificial intelligence will one day conclude that despite being better than the human, and much more intelligent, does not understand what is the human soul, not the decrypted or understood, despite studying it knows that never could get. After this the machine thinks that the human being has something that never will have it and therefore becomes a serious threat.
I repeat that this is not mine, it's from Raymond Kurzweil, Chief Engineer of Google and Alphabet. It is not a gift Nobody.
I repeat that this is already being done, right now, and its culmination will be between 2040 and 2045.
The Christian of today should observe and become more cultured of the world around him. To devote all your life to the Bible ignoring everything else does not make you more than a simple fanatic.
Islam, Feminism, Transhumanism, Gender Ideology ... There is no blind person who does not want to see. A greeting.

1. "The transfer of the soul is really being proposed as I said."

For something to be "proposed" doesn't equate to anything actualized in reality.

Just a moment ago I proposed being a butterfly... but I still have no wings.


2. "After this the machine thinks that the human being has something that never will have it and therefore becomes a serious threat."

A. You are presuming that a machine can have a will... actual independent volition.
B. You are also presuming that machine intelligence can move from syntax to semantics.

Both of these are common misconceptions, and both are incorrect.


3. The entire issue of AI taking over the world is built upon the presuppositions I mentioned in #2, and WHY doe people make these false presumptions?

Evolutionary naturalists believe the consciousness (soul) is nothing but an emergent property of the brain. So therefore, when a computer has enough computing power, a consciousness will "emerge."

Nonsense.
There is no proof, or even evidence, for any such thing.
It's just evolutionary theory.

It's especially nonsense to any Christian who should know better.



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[NoNameMcgee]

Here the only one who twists the gospel is the Jesuit Pope Francis and all the bishops considered progressive. If any of the here present is in favor of them that say it because then I will go quickly. I prefer to share a table with a feminist communist transverse Islamist rather than with a false Christian.

no..... many twist the gospel and push false doctrine


he is one of the many

and they are some of many (assuming these bishops believe as he does)


as for sharing a table

i dont care who it is im witnessing to

i hope i can be used to bring as many to Christ as possible by planting seeds of truth....


.....I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God.....


^^^^^
something He and I have in common since He is who gave me a new heart and works in me

 

[JaminG]

1. "The transfer of the soul is really being proposed as I said."

For something to be "proposed" doesn't equate to anything actualized in reality.

Just a moment ago I proposed being a butterfly... but I still have no wings.


2. "After this the machine thinks that the human being has something that never will have it and therefore becomes a serious threat."

A. You are presuming that a machine can have a will... actual independent volition.
B. You are also presuming that machine intelligence can move from syntax to semantics.

Both of these are common misconceptions, and both are incorrect.


3. The entire issue of AI taking over the world is built upon the presuppositions I mentioned in #2, and WHY doe people make these false presumptions?

Evolutionary naturalists believe the consciousness (soul) is nothing but an emergent property of the brain. So therefore, when a computer has enough computing power, a consciousness will "emerge."

Nonsense.
There is no proof, or even evidence, for any such thing.
It's just evolutionary theory.

It's especially nonsense to any Christian who should know better.



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Stop killing the messenger. Read here and draw conclusions. http://2045.com/

 

[maxwel]

Stop killing the messenger. Read here and draw conclusions. http://2045.com/

1. Refuting speculative science fiction with logical argument is not killing the messenger.

Disagreeing with things you post is not "killing you."
Don't be so dramatic.


2. Giving me a link to a transhumanist site, showing that other people believe what you believe, does not PROVE those beliefs are factual... it only proves those beliefs exist, not that they are true.

A. It is true, and factual, that many people want a "transhumanist" utopia full of hybrid humans, or non-humans.
B. That does NOT mean that everything they propose is FEASIBLE.
C. Most likely, some things they propose are feasible, and some are not.
D. For reasons of theology, philosophy, and science... I pretty much draw the line at "uploading the soul."


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