Disputed Passages
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No need to apologize. 
I for one am very interested to learn which verses or passages are not found in the earliest manuscripts in our possession.
I for one am very interested to learn which verses or passages are not found in the earliest manuscripts in our possession.
It is the understanding of all who study and learn by the Holy Spirit that nothing is going to hide truth from us if the Holy Spirit is guiding.
Scholars may convent and make "decisions" and vot on truth, but only the Holy Spirit seals the truth within us.
I didn't say you attacked him. I just wondered why you would tell us we were wasting our time in desiring to find out what passages weren't in the earliest manuscripts. I think it's a fruitful discussion. But if I didn't, I wouldn't tell people they were wasting time. I would just not enter the discussion. I happen to think it's good to find out if anything has been added to the original manuscripts.
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This is a subject that fascinates me. These are ones on the tip of my tongue at the moment.
Zechariah 14:5 - IMO indisputably correct in bibles translated from the Septuagint (LXX) rendering of this verse and not in those translated from the Masoretic Text (MT). Search interwebs for azal + yasul + zechariah for proof.
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 - enough evidence exists that these verses are an interpolation to make a dogmatic interpretation untenable and unwise.
2 Corinthians 5:21 - IMO the correct translation of the second occurrence in this verse is sin offering, and not sin (which it is translated as in 95% bibles).
Zechariah 14:5 - IMO indisputably correct in bibles translated from the Septuagint (LXX) rendering of this verse and not in those translated from the Masoretic Text (MT). Search interwebs for azal + yasul + zechariah for proof.
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 - enough evidence exists that these verses are an interpolation to make a dogmatic interpretation untenable and unwise.
2 Corinthians 5:21 - IMO the correct translation of the second occurrence in this verse is sin offering, and not sin (which it is translated as in 95% bibles).
Here are most of the ones I'm aware of:
Matt 12:47
Matt 17:21
Matt 23:14
Matt 28:19 (possibly altered, look up Eusibius' quote of this verse)
Mark 7:16
Mark 9:44, 46
Mark 11:26
Mark 15:28
Mark 16:9-19
Luke 22:43-44
Luke 23:17
John 5:3b-4
John 7:53-8:11
Acts 8:37
Acts 24:6b-8a
Acts 28:29
Rom 16:24
1 Cor 14:34-35
1 Tim 2:11-12 (altered, or not understood, thus poorly translated)
1 John 5:7
Matt 12:47
Matt 17:21
Matt 23:14
Matt 28:19 (possibly altered, look up Eusibius' quote of this verse)
Mark 7:16
Mark 9:44, 46
Mark 11:26
Mark 15:28
Mark 16:9-19
Luke 22:43-44
Luke 23:17
John 5:3b-4
John 7:53-8:11
Acts 8:37
Acts 24:6b-8a
Acts 28:29
Rom 16:24
1 Cor 14:34-35
1 Tim 2:11-12 (altered, or not understood, thus poorly translated)
1 John 5:7
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Okay...but the man wants to discuss what he wants to discuss. Why is it a problem for you to just let him have his discussion? Is he harming you in any way? If you wanted to discuss hockey, I'd let you have your discussion in peace but I wouldn't be able to add to it because I don't know a single thing about hockey and don't care to learn about it. Can the man just have his discussion on sections that aren't in the earliest manuscripts? Please?
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Incredible coincidence! Almost an hour ago I was relating a story to one of my co-workers about my crazy party days. I woke up with a terrible thirst after the previous nights activities. We had a dark brown Ice-tea container that we had used for yrs, so you couldn't see through it. It was left out on the kitchen counter, and like the slob I was, I picked it up to chug right out of it.
Now my mom would periodically pour bleach, and let it sit in it to sterilize because of slobs like me! I don't know if she diluted it, or by how much, but as soon as I chugged it I thought "Oh my God! That's it! I'm dead!". I can't describe how awful it was and how it took my breath away for a minute or so.
After that minute, and I really don't know how long it was, I discovered there were no ill effects from it! I am certain now thinking about it, that was yet another in a ridiculously long number of times, that it MUST have been the Lord protecting me from many insanely stupid acts I have done. I'm pretty certain I wasn't a true, born again Christian back then, but the Lord knew that one day I'd be His child! Praise His Holy Holy Name!!
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And of the Vat, Sin, and Alex, the two from a century earlier than the Alex do not contain the disputed portion, so the two oldest manuscripts are in agreement and it is the one of a century later that includes it. I'm not a scholar and am a a simple woman, but that gives me sufficient evidence to doubt it's authenticity...
Yes, it makes perfect sense to me that if it was copied a century later (Alex mss) that is sufficient time (100 years) that it is possible that what it was copied FROM might have been damaged or fragmentary. That might account for why the other portion mentioned was missing, even though it is in mss older than IT.
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