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It is God alone who calls us to do His will , His works , it is nothing to do with us...
Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure...
He supernaturally equips us ...Some days we have nothing , other days just one work , all according to Gods will...xox...
i also claim no denomination
just a Jesus loving child of God who reads his bible
Me to brother...I am a child of God , adopted into His family , saved by His grace , nothing to do with me...He is my LORD and my Savior , I am nothing without Him ...What good I do I do through Him , in Him...xox...
Will you be doing these good works:
[h=1]1 Peter 4:7-9 King James Version (KJV)
7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
9 Use hospitality one to another without grudging.[/h]
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NoNameMcgee
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amen sis
because of His love for you
He has blessed you greatly
and all these lovely changes in your life is just a product of what He has done/is doing in you
you have been a blessing to me and im willing to guess many others as well
you are a wonderful example of a daughter of God
(by the way.... i love when i see you posting
)Hi Dcontrolversal.
I would offer not multiple choice, but rather two different kinds. One not seen, as the things of God, and one seen as the things of men used in ceremonial laws which they were purposed by God to preach the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand.
It would seem that the gospel was preached beforehand in that way when looking at 1 Peter 1:8-11.
The gospel is hid in many ways, but I think it was the purpose for the ceremonial laws. They looked ahead to the cross we look back by the same faith that comes from hearing God through His word.
Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:1 Peter 1:8-10
It would seem the words.... "who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you" is speaking of the gospel.
The key.
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.1 Peter 1:11
That matter of time is the time of reformation the fullness of the manner of time spoken of in 1 Peter. The shadows by which are no to judge one another with had become sight the veil was rent indicating the flesh of the Son of man Jesus had come to bring glory to the father not seen
Water baptism has its roots in ceremonial laws, having to do when a new member declares as their goal of becoming a member of the priesthood in which Christian are a part of as a kingdom of priest. Many verses show this. I will offer one from Revelation
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Revelation 1:6
It would seem to be the subject matter in John 3:25 .The Son of man, Jesus desiring to enter the ministry needing a officiator from the tribe of Levi .John the Baptist, who prepared the way for the Son of man to begin the ministry, being sent out into the wilderness to represent the scape goat who sins of the believer's were metaphorically placed on his head. So that also now as a priest Jesus could officiate and baptize men who also had a desire to serve the lord.
Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews aboutpurifying. And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him. John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.John3:25-27
Leviticus 8 uses water as that seen to symbolize the Holy Spirit, not seen. The first symbolic work in preparing a priest for the priest hood as a ceremonial law (shadow)is the baptism of water
And Moses brought Aaron and his sons, and washed them with water. And he put upon him the coat, and girded him with the girdle, and clothed him with the robe, and put the ephod upon him, and he girded him with the curious girdle of the ephod, and bound it unto him therewith.And he put the breastplate upon him: also he put in the breastplate the Urim and the Thummim Lev 8
When God baptizes us, it is the pouring out of His Spirit, not seen. Water as that seen is used as a metaphor in various parables to represent the unseen anointing or teaching of Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God who does work in the believers to both will and do His good pleasure as we work with Him. to teach comfort and bring to minds the things he has taught us. He informs us as it is written we abide in Him the anointing one. Also informing us that we do not need a man seen to teach us and those who insist we do he identifies as the antichrists the many who were there during that time period. That I would believe is the result of the Baptism of the Spirit or fiery baptism that cleanses us of sin, a purifying fire that refines His saints
That which is called a believer's baptism today works fine to those who are members of the priesthood of believers again a person cannot judge shadows that point to their fulfillment.
I would offer not multiple choice, but rather two different kinds. One not seen, as the things of God, and one seen as the things of men used in ceremonial laws which they were purposed by God to preach the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand.
It would seem that the gospel was preached beforehand in that way when looking at 1 Peter 1:8-11.
The gospel is hid in many ways, but I think it was the purpose for the ceremonial laws. They looked ahead to the cross we look back by the same faith that comes from hearing God through His word.
Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:1 Peter 1:8-10
It would seem the words.... "who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you" is speaking of the gospel.
The key.
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.1 Peter 1:11
That matter of time is the time of reformation the fullness of the manner of time spoken of in 1 Peter. The shadows by which are no to judge one another with had become sight the veil was rent indicating the flesh of the Son of man Jesus had come to bring glory to the father not seen
Water baptism has its roots in ceremonial laws, having to do when a new member declares as their goal of becoming a member of the priesthood in which Christian are a part of as a kingdom of priest. Many verses show this. I will offer one from Revelation
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Revelation 1:6
It would seem to be the subject matter in John 3:25 .The Son of man, Jesus desiring to enter the ministry needing a officiator from the tribe of Levi .John the Baptist, who prepared the way for the Son of man to begin the ministry, being sent out into the wilderness to represent the scape goat who sins of the believer's were metaphorically placed on his head. So that also now as a priest Jesus could officiate and baptize men who also had a desire to serve the lord.
Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews aboutpurifying. And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him. John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.John3:25-27
Leviticus 8 uses water as that seen to symbolize the Holy Spirit, not seen. The first symbolic work in preparing a priest for the priest hood as a ceremonial law (shadow)is the baptism of water
And Moses brought Aaron and his sons, and washed them with water. And he put upon him the coat, and girded him with the girdle, and clothed him with the robe, and put the ephod upon him, and he girded him with the curious girdle of the ephod, and bound it unto him therewith.And he put the breastplate upon him: also he put in the breastplate the Urim and the Thummim Lev 8
When God baptizes us, it is the pouring out of His Spirit, not seen. Water as that seen is used as a metaphor in various parables to represent the unseen anointing or teaching of Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God who does work in the believers to both will and do His good pleasure as we work with Him. to teach comfort and bring to minds the things he has taught us. He informs us as it is written we abide in Him the anointing one. Also informing us that we do not need a man seen to teach us and those who insist we do he identifies as the antichrists the many who were there during that time period. That I would believe is the result of the Baptism of the Spirit or fiery baptism that cleanses us of sin, a purifying fire that refines His saints
That which is called a believer's baptism today works fine to those who are members of the priesthood of believers again a person cannot judge shadows that point to their fulfillment.
amen sis
because of His love for you
He has blessed you greatly
and all these lovely changes in your life is just a product of what He has done/is doing in you
you have been a blessing to me and im willing to guess many others as well
you are a wonderful example of a daughter of God
(by the way.... i love when i see you posting
Praise the LORD and thank You Jesus...Love you to my brother...xox...
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Ariel82
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For me it's more like someone offering you a ride in the ambulance but you choice to walk to the hospital while bleeding from your wounds instead.
False and a total contradiction......not what James teaches either......no matter how you slice and dice the above is a works based salvation.......and totally denies the truth that those who have been saved by faith have done the work of the Heavenly Father......
What good works did the thief on the cross do....NOT ONE!
Nor was he saved before the cross
Nor was he immersed
Nor did he quote the "Roman Road"
Nor was he a member of a church or had religious affiliation
He was a murderer and a thief being put to death for his crimes
a. He acknowledged his guilt
b. He acknowledged the innocence of Christ
c. He acknowledged the Lordship of Christ and his coming kingdom
He had SAVING faith without ONE DEED, WORK or IMMERSION
Your view is false, leads people astray, binds the hands of men under a false religious creed and is not of God.
THEREFORE, we conclude that a man is justified WITHOUT the deeds/works of the law. <---THIS verse alone contradicts the bolded fallacy in your above quote.
Jesus was not born the son of God by water....which means your bolded quote is false and not of God.....
Folks the above bolded quote is false and a flat lie......
Jesus was born a son of God by the SPIRIT of GOD and he was dealt the SPIRIT WITHOUT measure from the WOMB.....LUKE's account of his birth supports my statement.
I would point out the following....
a. The anointing of oil represented the Holy Spirit
b. The children of Israel, both at the Red sea crossing and Jordan crossing, had the picture of immersion collectively applied when they went under the water on dry ground.
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Ariel82
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What do think that love and goodness imply? Love and goodness imply lots of good works that lightens the burden of the down trodden, and the naked, and the hungry, and the lonely, and the prisoner. Lots of good works that glorifies your Father in Heaven and Christianizes the world.
benhur is a typical "Scripture Twister", they are very crafty at deceiving people, especially young Christian which is his target group.
He did not fulfill all righteousness until he was baptized with water and the HS descended upon him. That is his words as he spoke to John and convinced John to baptize him.
You make a good point. Because of the HS and the great feelings he gives us that we are the children of God, I would say it is possible to know that you are saved in the KOG.
However, I still say that salvation is a life long process, but I believe you are right, that along that way we can know that Jesus loves us and is with us and as long as we stay immersed in his work will save us for eternal life.
You are right again, that it is impossible to witness of his love to others unless we have felt his love toward us and we know how wonderful that is so we want to tell others.
So thank you for your insight, it would be sad to not know if you are saved or not until the very end. Sorry for that.
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eternally-gratefull
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1/2? Where do ypu get your math, very few believe in water regeneration, it is just your small group, as for others, we believe baptizo should be interpreted the way a roman who spoke greek or greeks themselves would interpret it, ie, to be immersed into, or placed into, it was also used of dying garments as the garment was baptized into a colored dye. And by itself water is not seen.
but yu want to replace HS wih water, again, thats blashphemy my friend plain and simple
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eternally-gratefull
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If they Have to do good works, then they earn it,
you cant have it both ways.
You cant say you do not think we earn salvation, then say they are required or else, thats a contradiction