Not By Works
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Jesus said by their fruits you will know them. Examples:
Does the pastor of a church often preach the gospel message often. Secular ministers have taken over the big 7 protestant denominations.
Does the person commit crimes?
Do they ridicule concept of God?
Do they ever talk about Jesus?
Etc.
They are there if you look for them. Especially if you discuss religion with them.
Does the pastor of a church often preach the gospel message often. Secular ministers have taken over the big 7 protestant denominations.
Does the person commit crimes?
Do they ridicule concept of God?
Do they ever talk about Jesus?
Etc.
They are there if you look for them. Especially if you discuss religion with them.
Absolutely wrong. The early elders created the Roman and Apostle's Creed. Therefore it is up to you to prove they were in error. Google the history of the Roman and Apostle's Creed. Then tell why the elders were in error!!
Roman Creed 200s
Apostles Creed 390
Both created by elder to fight heresies.
Roman Creed 200s
Apostles Creed 390
Both created by elder to fight heresies.
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Man looks at the outward fruit. God looks at the inward heart.
God pours pure water into our hearts but often when we speak it gets tainted with salt.
I believe God teaches and cleanses us every day so that we can be pure vessels to share His words and love with others.
Yet it still goes to...do you work out of fear of an angry God who will cast you away if you don't meet his standards?
Or do you work because of the love you feel in your heart from God who accepted you even when you didn't deserve forgiveness?
Do you work to earn God's approval?
or because you know you already have it?
Do you know that nothing you can do will make God love you more or less?
Do you understand what agape love truly is?
God pours pure water into our hearts but often when we speak it gets tainted with salt.
I believe God teaches and cleanses us every day so that we can be pure vessels to share His words and love with others.
Yet it still goes to...do you work out of fear of an angry God who will cast you away if you don't meet his standards?
Or do you work because of the love you feel in your heart from God who accepted you even when you didn't deserve forgiveness?
Do you work to earn God's approval?
or because you know you already have it?
Do you know that nothing you can do will make God love you more or less?
Do you understand what agape love truly is?
wrong again.....who cares what some creed said written in 200 or 390.....serious....your religion is really shining through....prove the bible is not the only rule of faith and practice....the truth is...you cannot, because that view is satanic to the core....to put and or promote uninspired men and some creed written 200 to 400 years after the bible over the inspired word of God reeks of pure ignorance...
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Wait are you talking about the Apostles creed or the "must have works for salvation" creed?
Personally I like the Apostle creed and find it very useful to combat heresies.
As far as I know I thought you believe it too..
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I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth;
And in Jesus Christ his only Son, our Lord;
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried;*
the third day he rose from the dead;
he ascended into heaven,
and sitteth at the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic** church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.
***Catholic means universal..not denomination**
Personally I like the Apostle creed and find it very useful to combat heresies.
As far as I know I thought you believe it too..
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I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth;
And in Jesus Christ his only Son, our Lord;
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried;*
the third day he rose from the dead;
he ascended into heaven,
and sitteth at the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic** church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.
***Catholic means universal..not denomination**
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It is not the creed, but when one elevates it above the bible as the rule of faith and practice which he does.....and I do not believe in the universal church....on the earth churches<---PLURAL and each it's own individual body of believers with equal power, right, authority and scope before God....ONE body of believers in HEAVEN
Absolutely agree. It is God that justifies, nothing or no one else. But, we are originally saved by God's extended grace. Through his grace he calls us by the imputing of the Holy Spirit, which then endowes us with the faith that justifies our salvation. From my understanding anyhow. It is 100% the will and work of God. Thank the Good Lord that my eternal destination isn't bestowed on my filthy, sin ridden self. Amen to that.
So WHY do you suppose that I choose to attend a non-denominational, conservative, evangelical type, Bible Teaching Church with one hour sermons that exposit verse by verse through a book, before after weeks or months, we go on to another book?
The Spiritual Fruits that typify a Genuine born again Christian, is a GOD-given Lifestyle of these Characteristics:
Galatians 5:22-23 (HCSB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace {with GOD}, patience, kindness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Which is the OPPOSITE of these Lifestyle Characteristics:
Galatians 5:19-21 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, moral impurity, promiscuity,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery {The word is actually "pharmakeia", in other words DRUGS.*}, hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar. I tell you about these things in advance—as I told you before—that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
* Which you wanted to get high, back in Bible times, you went to a Sorcerer, who sold "Magic Potions".
NOTE: The Lifestyle Characteristics of any one person takes a while, but YOU WILL KNOW THEM by their Fruits.
Nothing can be placed over the power of the truth and last. What exactly is the bottom line that the intensity stems from? It is good to be zealous of the Lord, but it can sometimes lack control when wisdom and humility are left out. Sorry if it seems I'm being a busybody in your discussion, but I naturally desire to form an opinion or belief on these mystery matter. ...C'mon peeps, what are we quarreling over?
Brother did you say that the Lord...failed us? The problem is with us,we fail to "Yield" our everyday choices to Christ. So He may transform us, by His Spirit from glory to glory. We MUST surrender our lives to God, the one's who do this have ALWAYS been God's people. They have the Living God living in them, prompting them what's best for them. Jesus is Coming Soon and He's coming for His people, a people without spot or wrinkle. A mere "profession of faith" will NOT result in eternity, many pastors/people believe/teach this, a " once saved always saved " teaching. But this is not what the Word of God teaches. Jesus warned us in Matthew 24 saying "let NO ONE DECEIVE you by any means. I pray that we read for ourselves what the God of the universe has to say to us, individually and to not leave our eternity in the hands of anyone other than our Loving Saviour and Creator Jesus to the glory of God the Father, may Be richly bless you on your walk with Him
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or because you know you already have it (God's approval)?
Past tense "approved"
God's acceptance into His family isn't based upon your righteous works but because of faith in Jesus work upon the cross.
Do you work FOR approval OR BECAUSE you have been approved and look towards the promise in faith?
You can't show God's agape love to others if you don't feel and understand it yourself.
Past tense "approved"
God's acceptance into His family isn't based upon your righteous works but because of faith in Jesus work upon the cross.
Do you work FOR approval OR BECAUSE you have been approved and look towards the promise in faith?
You can't show God's agape love to others if you don't feel and understand it yourself.