When is it gonna be enough?

[HistoryPrincess]

I'm not gonna be debating God and his role in the evil of this world or whatever. What I am going to say is something that needs to be said.


We've had yet another school shooting yesterday morning in Texas. We've had yet another wicked, truly evil person walk in freely and murder eight students. If that does not outrage you, you are not human and have no pulse.


The last thing we need to offer are just "thoughts and prayers." Thoughts and prayers are not enough anymore. God hates gun violence. Period. And so should we.


How many school shootings is it going to take for the church to wake up to the fact that there are truly evil people in this world? That Satan has made it clear he is not going to play fair? Does it have to go so far as to seeing their own children murdered? I'm all for the second amendment, but is it worth defending at the cost of these kids lives?


Bottomline, this is all outrageous and disgusting. All of us, liberals, conservatives, Christians, Atheists, whatever! We all need to start sending demands our police and politicians and gun manufacturers, "DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!"

"History will not look kindly upon those elected officials who failed to act in the face of repeated mass murders of our children. Spare us your thoughts and prayers and do your job." - Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings

 

[Enoch987]

There was a police and mental health standdown in Parkland, Florida according to Alex Jones on Friday's show.
The police did an excellent job in Santa Fe, Texas. The school did not have a police officer on duty but they did in Dixon, Illinois where the school resource officer chased the shooter out of the school then wounded him after the police officer was wounded at graduation practice.
In Santa Fe, TX, they knew the shooter was into darkness, Satanism, guns and knives.
Alex Jones called it a mental health standdown.
For more on this story, see Friday's show called the War Room with Aaron Shroyer of infowars.
It is the globalists plan to blame the 2nd amendment so they can outlaw guns.
Don't blame the guns.
Blame the shooter and loopholes in the background checks.

 

[HistoryPrincess]

I'm not saying get rid of guns. I'm saying we need to wake up at to the fact that our nation has the highest rate of gun violence compared to any other developed country. Yes, we need thorough background checks. But I don't see why ordinary citizens with no military training should have access to military style weapons.

 

[HistoryPrincess]

I have a niece who just turned three. I have a nephew who will be seven in this year. I have another nephew who just celebrated his first birthday and a third on the way.


I don't want to have to wake up or come home or receive a call to hear someone came in and shot them at school, in public, wherever. They may not be my children, but they're the children of my brother and sister. When someone you love hurts that badly, it will hurt you just as much.


I'm sick and tired of all the back and forth yelling instead of putting aside politics and talking about how we can protect innocent people. There's a difference between gun violence and gun warfare. People who do not have any military training, people who are ordinary civilians, should not be able to purchase military style weapons.


So what if knives, bats, and cars also kill? When doing it with a gun, you do it from a distance, you detach yourself, you become desensitized, you don't get any blood on you. Cars are not consciously designed to kill. There are kitchen knives and baseball bats. Guns by their very nature require you to view the world through a lethal lens to the point where you might murder someone who's just reaching for their phone.


I'm not saying stop the manufacturing of guns. I'm saying we need to take responsibility. We can't keep doing the same thing over and over again. Neither more guns nor less guns are the answer.


Here’s one thing all Evangelicals — and Christians of every stripe, actually — hold to be true: humans are sinful. They cannot stop being sinful. They will always be sinful. This is why, according to the Christian gospel, the Father deployed his Son and that Son died; to take the rap for sin. If any human could have found a way to live a perfect life, then that sacrifice would not have been necessary. The sinfulness of all humanity is one of Christianity’s foundational beliefs.


Given that, why do so many Christians, particularly those on the right, so steadfastly oppose any kind of meaningful gun control? It’s true that guns don’t kill people on their own. People kill people. But since Christians believe that people cannot be perfected this side of Glory, why not limit the harm we fallen people are able to do? We can only change one side of the equation, and that’s the gun side.


Compare the Christian attitude to guns to the Christian attitude to marriage. It is not in the nature of mammals to be monogamous, and yet churches support marriage, offer couples counseling, discourage the watching of pornography or the solicitation of prostitutes or the secret affair. Churches acknowledge people are not perfect, so they endorse the introduction of some guardrails to help them do less damage to those around them. They promote some limitations on freedom to stop people getting hurt. Yes, the Lord said go forth and multiply, but Christian people do not then take that to mean you have the right to have children with whomever you wish at any time, after a three-day waiting period.


Or let’s look at the Christian perspective on giving. Traditionally, Christians believe in the tithe. That is, they give up 10% of their income to the church or some godly purpose. The thinking behind this is that since everything humans have comes from God, they are merely returning to God what is God’s. To hoard money is to rely on something other than God. To give it away is to acknowledge that God is the ultimate provider. So why do Christians rely on guns for protection at all times? Do Christians believe guns are stronger than God?


Why not then give up even 10% of the access to guns — say, just the semi-automatics?


Even so, I still have faith in the Christian God, but I've lost my faith in Evangelicals. I'm neither left nor right, conservative or liberal. I radically disagree with both parties. Politics has become way too toxic. But this is something no one can stay silent on. Not when innocent lives are being threatened.


God loves children, he loves the brokenhearted, he loves those in suffering and mourning. Why can't we?

The most angry of all the Old Testament prophets, Jeremiah, singles out one thing the Israelites keep doing that God finds repulsive: they sacrifice their children. The Israelites are sacrificing them to their much loved traditional gods, but God makes it clear that He’s not a fan of the practice for any beliefs, including, presumably, that of the sanctity of the Second Amendment. Yet many Christians choose Second Amendment-worship over the safety of their children — and others’ children — everyday.


Jeremiah has a warning for his countrymen: change the way you’re doing things, he says, or the place you live will get a new name: the Valley of Slaughter. That’s a pretty apt description of this epidemic of violence.

 

[zeroturbulence]

I'd just like to state some basic facts:

1. The Texas shooter used a shotgun and a pistol, not an AR-15 (ak.a. assault rifle), and he was under 18 (the guns were his dads)

2. Schools are almost completely unprotected. A few have a "resource officer" who is basically an armed security guard, but there's usually only one for the entire school. Anyone can just walk into a school with a gun. AND the schools are all 'gun-free zones' so they don't have to worry about someone else having a gun.

3. An AR-15 (a.k.a. assault rifle) actually has no big advantage over other types of guns...

- They cannot shoot like a machine gun unless they are modified with a bump stock or custom made trigger.

- They use less powerful bullets than most pistols and shotguns. An AR15 uses .223 caliber ammo, the pistol that was used in Texas was .38 caliber, and the shotgun shoots a bunch of lead balls so its much deadlier than an AR15.

- The only advantage an AR15 would have is longer range, and that doesn't even come into play unless the target is hundreds of yards away.

 

[HistoryPrincess]

And an AR15 is what the Las Vegas shooter used.

 

[Odelschwanck]

April 20, 1999. But take guns out of the equation and you're left with a wicked, truly evil person. There's something wrong with us for that to be so common, and in people so young. I may be tainted with nostalgia, but when I think back to the years after Columbine I remember people focusing on compassion and getting rid of bullying so that people don't get this way (not that some gun control wasn't thrown in). But then we switched the focus to changing gun laws only and it's as if that's when they started becoming a regular occurrence. I can't even think of anything between Columbine and Virginia Tech and that's 8 years. But I could just be misremembering.

 

[HistoryPrincess]

We need both. We need better communities and better control.

 

[Tommy379]

I'm not giving up my weapons, so that's a non-starter.

What else you got?

 

[zeroturbulence]

Metal detectors

 

[zeroturbulence]

And an AR15 is what the Las Vegas shooter used.

That wasn't a school shooting now was it.

 

[RickyZ]

You know that old saying about how there will never be peace in the middle east until the Palestinians learn to love their children more than they hate Israelis?

It's a very similar situation here.

 

[Tommy379]

Norway has the highest rate of people killed in mass murders. The United States doesn't even break the top 10.

 

[Desdichado]

Heh heh heh

I'm not saying get rid of guns. I'm saying we need to wake up at to the fact that our nation has the highest rate of gun violence compared to any other developed country. Yes, we need thorough background checks. But I don't see why ordinary citizens with no military training should have access to military style weapons.

 

[Tommy379]

Heh heh heh

Sneaky ain't they?

 

[Desdichado]

Sneaky ain't they?

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Wait for it....

Why not then give up even 10% of the access to guns — say, just the semi-automatics?

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Tommy379]

If anyone doubts post 13, here ya go.

https://www.investors.com/politics/...-s-isnt-the-worst-country-for-mass-shootings/

https://www.dailywire.com/news/27401/democrats-say-america-worst-western-country-mass-hank-berrien

 

[HistoryPrincess]

I'm gonna start listening when you all start listening and when you quit joking about children being murdered. Might as well joke about abortion or rape.

 

[Tommy379]

I'm gonna start listening when you all start listening and when you quit joking about children being murdered. Might as well joke about abortion or rape.

No one listens to you, or your leftist friends, because your rhetoric makes rational people's eyes glaze over.

 

[HistoryPrincess]

No one listens to you and evangelicals because you can never accept criticism.