Why do Christians struggle to reconcile Law and Grace?
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The relation between grace and law is very simple: the grace leads to the true fulfillment of the law's propose (NEVER the opposite). After all, who loves the neighbor fulfill the law (Rom 13.8).
Fulfill and abolish are opposite in meaning. You fulfill "Love thy neighbor" as long as you "love thy neighbor". If you refuse to "Love thy neighbor" then you are guilty and in need of repentance.
In other words, if you refuse or "abolish" the commandment, you are not "fulfilling" it.
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eternally-gratefull
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NoNameMcgee
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James 2:10 - For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
(unless you kept of the law entirely at every point, you are guilty as any other law breaker)
1 John 3:4 - Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
(this isnt just about laws given to moses.... this applies even to ALL sin...... which means)
Romans 3:20 - 25
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
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praise God.... freely justified by His grace through faith in Jesus Christ
without the deeds of the law
^_^
but
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what of the law then?
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romans 7
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
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Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
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Ephesians 2:8
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
ehhhhh?
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(unless you kept of the law entirely at every point, you are guilty as any other law breaker)
1 John 3:4 - Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
(this isnt just about laws given to moses.... this applies even to ALL sin...... which means)
Romans 3:20 - 25
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
_______________
praise God.... freely justified by His grace through faith in Jesus Christ
without the deeds of the law
^_^
but
......
what of the law then?
_________________
romans 7
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
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Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
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Ephesians 2:8
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
ehhhhh?
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The important point to note is that it is only by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit that a Christian can love God and love others with AGAPE love.
Where does Scripture say that this was "time-specific"? You are concocting your own theology. As though there is no sacrificing to idols today all over the world, and as though Christians do not have to deal with that. Don't promote Antinomianism.
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7seasrekeyed
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I read the op
he said this:
[FONT="][/FONT]did you miss it? answers your question
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7seasrekeyed
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not at all
it's actually an issue of comprehending the gospel instead of dismissing half of it
Where does scripture say that it is for all gentiles for all time? Reading the bible without discernment leads to concocting one's own theology.
Are you being a hypocrite? Do you teach your church to not eat meat with blood in it?
you are speaking from your own opinion and understanding that has NO respect for the Will of God....showing your own pride !
I used this Command as an example. You could change the command to another instruction from the Word which became Flesh, like the 4th commandment, or maybe the command not to create images in the likeness of God, and maybe it would make more sense to you then. The point is to try and point out the difference between "fulfill" and "destroy" or "abolish".
If you think the principle behind my post is flawed, please enlighten me as to how it is flawed.
The fact that it was God the Holy Spirit who sent (via the apostles) those instructions to ALL the churches should be sufficient to understand that they would remain in force until the Rapture. So your so-called discernment is actually skewed. Whatever God has said to Christians in the NT is not limited by time or culture. That is the false notion that some have been promoting recently (yourself included).
So does your church, or do you, follow those 4 Noahide laws? Ignore fornication because it's obvious from reading Paul that it is wrong.
It is also only by the HS that we can understand God ! 1Cor 2v12...which God only gives to those who OBEY ! Acts 5v32....nor can a natural carnal man obey Rom 8v7.
We can see how all scripture interacts and is given for our ...perfecting...in humble loving obedience !
some people say it is all pretense....as if God could be fooled !(just another sign the carnal man does not understand God ).
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Ariel82
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I agree that the Law shows we are sinners.
However it's still a moral standard I believe God wants us to strive to live.
In addition, there is a difference between Old covenant laws (animal sacrifice, feasts, sabbaths, cleansing rituals, etc) and New covenant laws (Jesus sacrifice, charity to others, resting in Christ, washed in the blood, etc)
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eternally-gratefull
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what does this have to do with you saying there are those who say the law is abolished.
can you show where people sait it or not?
enough with the games