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NoNameMcgee

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Say NoName, you know someone who could have spiked the "View Numbers"? :D

Not By Works:
as of 4-23-18

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maybe when the server was down

an update happened

and now it also counts guest views
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TruthTalk

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maybe when the server was down

an update happened

and now it also counts guest views
;)
You mean like double counting each view? Why did it not do the same to "all the views", but no only decon's thread, right? ..:D
 

TruthTalk

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lol

one update per thread obviously

:cool:
That makes no sense because if you look at the "view count", every thread remains the same. Question, why is it "only" decon's thread that got the good fortune of a spike in viewers? I cannot seem to answer that question can you?..:)

Decon's on Aussie time right now as he said, we should ask him when he's back on line.......
 
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benhur

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I got some LIGHT that I have read before, however in today's Sermon, I got it's full meaning.


Romans 3:26-27 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.


Now that was the way Pastor Gil taught it, right from the NASB. I was Pretty Sure what it meant, that supports SALVATION BY GRACE, through FAITH. So when I got home, I looked it up in the NCV, NOW look at it in the NEW CENTURY VERSION:


Romans 3:26-27 (NCV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And God gave Jesus to show today that he does what is right. God did this so he could judge rightly and so he could make right any person who has faith in Jesus.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] So do we have a reason to brag about ourselves? No! And why not? It is the way of faith that stops all bragging, not the way of trying to obey the law.


One more nail in the false doctrine of works righteousness coffin.
You can put nails in your make-believe coffin if you insist. But in order to do this you have to rip out of the bible scriptures that tell us that our works of righteousness are necessary in our salvation effort, along with the works of Christ, and his sacrifice that he made and the grace that he offers. It is the combination of both that confirm our salvation.

We know how you feel about these scriptures of works of righteousness, from your words that you given us a while ago from Martin Luther, who disparaged James' words about our works of righteousness and so Luther pretty much rips the words of James from the bible, so that he can eliminate any bible words against grace. Which to me is not a good way to study the bible and come up with your beliefs about how one is saved.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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That makes no sense because if you look at the "view count", every thread remains the same. Question, why is it "only" decon's thread that got the good fortune of a spike in viewers? I cannot seem to answer that question can you?..:)

Decon's on Aussie time right now as he said, we should ask him when he's back on line.......
maybe some nameless individual clicked refresh a million times

(._.')
 

Shamah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 12:25-26, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. He who loves his life shall lose it, and he who hates his life in this world shall preserve it for everlasting life." Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 10:38, “And he who does not take up his stake and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.”[/FONT]


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NoNameMcgee

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philippians 3

3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

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Romans 8:3-4
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
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Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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1 peter 1


2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time

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John 6:37-39
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day






PRAISE GOD
 

VCO

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Amen! We are saved by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9).

In James 2:20, "faith without works is dead" does not mean that faith is dead until it produces works and then it becomes a living faith or that works are the source of life in faith. That's like saying a tree is dead until it produces fruit and then it becomes a living tree and the fruit is the source of life in the tree. James is simply saying faith that is not accompanied by evidential works is dead. If someone says-claims he has faith (James 2:14) but lacks resulting evidential works, then he has an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith.

James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).

Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. No fruit at all demonstrates there is no root.

AMEN!

Any one that argues with that BIBLICAL LOGIC, has a serious pride problem.


Romans 3:26-27 (NCV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And God gave Jesus to show today that he does what is right.
God did this so he could judge rightly and
so he could make right any person who has faith in Jesus.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]So do we have a reason to brag about ourselves? No! And why not?
It is the way of faith that stops all bragging,
not the way of trying to obey the law.


Proverbs 16:18-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Pride comes before destruction, and an arrogant spirit before a fall.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Better to be lowly of spirit with the humble than to divide plunder with the proud.
 

VCO

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You can put nails in your make-believe coffin if you insist. But in order to do this you have to rip out of the bible scriptures that tell us that our works of righteousness are necessary in our salvation effort, along with the works of Christ, and his sacrifice that he made and the grace that he offers. It is the combination of both that confirm our salvation.

We know how you feel about these scriptures of works of righteousness, from your words that you given us a while ago from Martin Luther, who disparaged James' words about our works of righteousness and so Luther pretty much rips the words of James from the bible, so that he can eliminate any bible words against grace. Which to me is not a good way to study the bible and come up with your beliefs about how one is saved.

Sad that you can believe that.

You have fallen for the WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS, dead faith.


Romans 3:20-24 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For no one will be justified in His sight by the works of the law, because the knowledge of sin ⌊comes⌋ through the law.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] But now, apart from the law, God’s righteousness has been revealed—attested by the Law and the Prophets
[SUP]22 [/SUP] —that is, God’s righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ, to all who believe, since there is no distinction.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] They are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.


HOW MANY CAN EARN THEIR JUSTIFICATION, BY WORKS?

I assume you got that question right?

That is NOT WHY God wants us to strive to obey HIM after HE ALONE SAVED US, while we were ENEMIES OF GOD!


Romans 5:8-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us!
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, since we have now been declared righteous by His blood, we will be saved through Him from wrath.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if,while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, ⌊then how⌋ much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by His life!


AFTER WE ARE SAVED, GOD wants us to exhibit to others, how we are to LOVE GOD, and show them HOW WE LOVE THEM LIKE GOD HIMSELF.


Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.


So, climb down off your high horse, and GIVE ALL THE CREDIT FOR YOUR SALVATION TO JESUS CHRIST.

THEN after you have a big slice of humble pie, climb down into the humanity, and willingly let CHRIST in you, open up a SALVATION SHOP one yard from hell. AND that is NOT an invite to be like the World, BUT it is to SHOW the LOVE OF GOD, that is IN YOU, to the UNSAVED of this World, so that we can GET a few more saved, before the FATHER says to the SON, "It is FINISHED, go get your BRIDE."


1 John 3:14-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] This is how we have come to know love: He laid down His life for us. We should also lay down our lives for our brothers.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] If anyone has this world’s goods and sees his brother in need but closes his eyes to his ⌊need⌋—
how can God’s love reside in him?
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Little children, we must not love with word or speech, but with truth and action.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] This is how we will know we belong to the truth and will convince our conscience in His presence,


IT IS NOT PART OF SALVATION, IT IS PART OF GOD's LOVE that was poured into our hearts.



THAT IS THE PURPOSE FOR OUR GOOD WORKS, and it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR PERSONAL SALVATION. That was and IS the Mercy and Grace that GOD showed us, the first moment we genuinely BELIEVED.


Romans 3:20-21 (NCV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] because no one can be made right with God by following the law. The law only shows us our sin.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] But God has a way to make people right with him without the law, and he has now shown us that way which the law and the prophets told us about.

Romans 3:26-27 (NCV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And God gave Jesus to show today that he does what is right. God did this so he could judge rightly and so he could make right any person who has faith in Jesus.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] So do we have a reason to brag about ourselves? No! And why not?
It is the way of faith that stops all bragging,
not the way of trying to obey the law.
 
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maybe some nameless individual clicked refresh a million times

(._.')
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I wouldn't name names but I can sure point in the general direction of the possible guilty person!:cool:
 
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joefizz

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Say NoName, you know someone who could have spiked the "View Numbers"? :D

Not By Works:
as of 4-23-18

  • Replies: 61,599
  • Views: 2,112,996.:D
I know who is spiking the likes in this thread his name starts with a Joe and ends with a Fizz!:cool:
 
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That makes no sense because if you look at the "view count", every thread remains the same. Question, why is it "only" decon's thread that got the good fortune of a spike in viewers? I cannot seem to answer that question can you?..:)

Decon's on Aussie time right now as he said, we should ask him when he's back on line.......
I have no clue and it is 640 Am Tuesday hahah maybe the Lord wants all to see it is grace thru faith eternal salvation not based upon works or some law keeping drivel!!
 
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maybe some nameless individual clicked refresh a million times

(._.')
That would take.....forever hahah 1 refresh every 30 to 60 sec divided into a million = how many hours just to update views a million times hahahaha8
 

BillG

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I have no clue and it is 640 Am Tuesday hahah maybe the Lord wants all to see it is grace thru faith eternal salvation not based upon works or some law keeping drivel!!
Morning bro.
Good night bro. It's night time here and I'm off to bed.

Enjoy your day.

Same for all of you this thread and forum.

As you wake up remember his mercies are new.
As you sleep remember he watches over you and when you wake up, guess what?
His mercies are new.

Overall remember he loves as much as he loves Jesus.

He is the same as yesterday, today and tomorrow.

Night night brothers and sisters.

Bill
 

Endoscopy

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So what....does not change the fact that eternal salvation is given by faith and faith alone....
It also doesn't change faith without works is dead!! You keep ignoring that. Works validates a saving faith. As James said, "I'll show you my faith by my works." The two are bound together.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Morning bro.
Good night bro. It's night time here and I'm off to bed.

Enjoy your day.

Same for all of you this thread and forum.

As you wake up remember his mercies are new.
As you sleep remember he watches over you and when you wake up, guess what?
His mercies are new.

Overall remember he loves as much as he loves Jesus.

He is the same as yesterday, today and tomorrow.

Night night brothers and sisters.

Bill
God bless you bro

see you soon

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