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CAN ANYONE SOW WITHOUT WORKING?
Galatians 6:7-10 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.
Galatians 6:7-10 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.
New International Version 1984 Revelation 3:1-6 To the Church in Sardis “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being ALIVE, but YOU ARE DEAD. WAKE UP! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; OBEY IT, and REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are WORTHY. He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never BLOT OUT his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
New International Version 1984 Matthew 25:14-30 The Parable of the Talents “Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them. To one he gave five talents of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. The man who had received the five talents went at once and put his money to work and gained five more. So also, the one with the two talents gained two more. But the man who had received the one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money. “After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. The man who had received the five talents brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.’ “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’ “The man with the two talents also came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with two talents; see, I have gained two more.’ “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’ “Then the man who had received the one talent came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’ “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest. “‘Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. AND THROW THAT WORTHLESS SERVANT OUTSIDE, INTO THE DARKNESS WHERE THERE WILL BE WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH .’
Matthew 25:31-46 The Sheep and the Goats “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ “The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’ “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ “He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
A worker of iniquity is not just in the flesh, it is a spiritual working in the mind that manifest itself in the flesh. The same thing with righteousness in the flesh, the spiritual worker manifest it's work. The things that are seen are made by the things that are unseen. It starts first in the heart, or spirit,and then manifested in the flesh.
New International Version 1984 1 John 2:1-6 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. THE MAN WHO SAYS, “I KNOW HIM,” BUT DOES NOT DO WHAT HE COMMANDS IS A LIAR and THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
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New International Version 1984 Isaiah 5:20-24 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks, who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny justice to the innocent. Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel.
WOE TO THOSE WHO CALL JESUS "CURSED". WHO REJECT THE TRUTH AND TEACH DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD'S WORDS, LAWS AND COMMANDS.
Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Romans 3:4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”
WOE TO THOSE WHO CALL JESUS "CURSED". WHO REJECT THE TRUTH AND TEACH DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD'S WORDS, LAWS AND COMMANDS.
Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Romans 3:4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”
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a worker of iniquity is anyone who has worked or is working iniquity (anyone who has even sinned one time qualifies)
well to not be a worker of iniquity is a spiritual working...
God imputes to His children His righteousness
everyone else is going to have sin accounted to them... having sinned and fallen short of the glory of God
your wording here....
hmmmm...
yes when we (His adopted children) are walking in the spirit
it will manifest as (righteous) works
you didnt quote anything
do you mind if i ask what exactly are you saying here?
well to not be a worker of iniquity is a spiritual working...
God imputes to His children His righteousness
everyone else is going to have sin accounted to them... having sinned and fallen short of the glory of God
your wording here....
hmmmm...
yes when we (His adopted children) are walking in the spirit
it will manifest as (righteous) works
you didnt quote anything
do you mind if i ask what exactly are you saying here?
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I created a fallacy using logic. The last sentence defines how an implication works.
A implies B
A is true
Therefore B must be true.
A is the anticedent.
B is the consequent.
This is one of the things I remember from a HS logic class. When I worked as an electronics technician most of the work was with digital (logic) electronics.
A implies B
A is true
Therefore B must be true.
A is the anticedent.
B is the consequent.
This is one of the things I remember from a HS logic class. When I worked as an electronics technician most of the work was with digital (logic) electronics.
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Hi VCO, feeling better thanks. Love this link that you provided. I'm accustom to using biblehub.com and biblegateway.co and biblestudytools.com. But I use biblehub.com for all of the greek terms and definitions and verb tenths and moods.
I went to the link that you provided which brings you to the "Blue Bible" page with a search box. I typed in the word "Love" and click go and it brought me to a page with different uses of the word "Love" and the word "tools" on the left hand side. When you click tools there is a small scroll down menu with several topics but still nothing specific about the word "Love". How do I find the page (link) that will give me more of the greek tenths and moods of any word that I need to clarify.
I could not find the page that looks like what you have posted here for our benefit, so that what we have here is a dummy at the keyboard and a navigation problem. I may not be going to the correct page from the beginning.
Take your time and thank you in advance.
I went to the link that you provided which brings you to the "Blue Bible" page with a search box. I typed in the word "Love" and click go and it brought me to a page with different uses of the word "Love" and the word "tools" on the left hand side. When you click tools there is a small scroll down menu with several topics but still nothing specific about the word "Love". How do I find the page (link) that will give me more of the greek tenths and moods of any word that I need to clarify.
I could not find the page that looks like what you have posted here for our benefit, so that what we have here is a dummy at the keyboard and a navigation problem. I may not be going to the correct page from the beginning.
Take your time and thank you in advance.
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1 Corinthians 12:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] You know that when you were pagans, you were led astray to the mute idols, however you were led.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed" {<G331> ANATHEMA}; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
Galatians 3:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Christ redeemed us from the curse <G2671> of the Law, having become a curse <G2671> for us
—for it is written, "CURSED <G1944>IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"—
[SUP]14 [/SUP] in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
<G2671> KATARA
<G1944> EPIKATARATOS
You see, you really NEED TO examine the GREEK in words that there is a questionable translation on. ONLY THE "ANATHEMA" carries the forbidden meaning of that GREEK WORD pertaining to Christ. As you can see, there are at least THREE different words, that can be translated "Curse" or "Accursed". THEREFORE, you are incorrectly applying it to all THREE. Remember this: ENGLISH is a POOR Language at best, to translate the Bible into.
Here is another example. In English, we ONLY have THREE primary VERB TENSES, while in GREEK they have SIX primary VERB TENSES. Like I said, English is a POOR LANGUAGE to translate the Bible into.
Below the three crosses, will be those GREEK VERB TENSES, and NOTICE the One that causes the MOST confusion, is the one they call Present Tense. IT DOES NOT CARRY THE SAME MEANING as our English Present Tense. It is an action that is a lifelong continuous lifestyle. For example.
1 John 2:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
That word KEEPETH is in the GREEK PRESENT TENSE, it does NOT imply Perfection, IT IMPLIES a lifestyle of continual striving to KEEP. And when we FAIL, 1 John 1:9, that WE CONFESS is also in the PRESENT TENSE, implying we are habitually confessing each new sin that we find in our life.
How do I know which Verb Tense, is each verb? You go to the site listed at the bottom, then look up at the Menu Bar and you will find see the KJV with a space to the left of it to type in the Verse you want. Not all the Tools are there in all the version of the Bible, so leave it on the KJV. Then type in the verse, and it will open a new page, with the entire chapter. Then click on TOOLS to the left of that verse. That pops open another window pertaining to that one VERSE, and you will see to the right of the verb you are searching for, PARSE, so you click on the PARSE, and a smaller window with info on the VERB in question will pop up. The SECOND LINE should be the VERB TENSE.
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TENSE
Tense plays a very crucial role in the study of New Testament exegesis. Dana and Mantey understood its significance in saying that "no element of the Greek language is of more importance to the student of the New Testament than the matter of tense". [1] Tense deals both with time and kind of action. Ancient Greek focused more on the latter of these aspects (that is, kind of action); however, time does play a role in verb tense when the mood is indicative (the four moods are explained below).
The aspect of a verb correlates with the kind of action. It determines whether the verb's action is punctiliar, linear or perfected. These are described in the following table.
[TABLE="class: grkVrb, width: 396"]
[TR]
[TD]Punctiliar:[/TD]
[TD="width: 90"]
[/TD]
[TD="width: 215"]action that relates to a specific pointin time[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 90"]Linear:[/TD]
[TD="width: 90"]
[/TD]
[TD="width: 215"]action that is in the progress of occuring[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 90"]Perfected:[/TD]
[TD="width: 90"]
[/TD]
[TD="width: 215"]action that is both punctiliar and linear in that it refers to action relating to a point in time, yet has results that are in the progress of occuring[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
The Present TenseThe present tense can either be continuous/ongoing or undefined. The continuous present is usually translated as "I am loosing" while the undefined is best translated as "I loosen." When the present is used with the indicative mood it denotes present time.
The Pluperfect TenseThe pluperfect has the same aspect as the perfect, yet it's time is farther removed into the past than that of the perfect. Both the completed action and the results of that action occur in the past. It also represents action that is complete and viewed from a point in the past time. [3] The usual translation for the pluperfect is "I had loosened."
[TABLE="class: grkVrb, width: 396"]
[TR]
[TD]Example: Mar 15:46[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]In a tomb which had been hewn out of the rock
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
https://www.blueletterbible.org/help/greekverbs.cfm
1 Corinthians 12:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] You know that when you were pagans, you were led astray to the mute idols, however you were led.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed" {<G331> ANATHEMA}; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
Galatians 3:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Christ redeemed us from the curse <G2671> of the Law, having become a curse <G2671> for us
—for it is written, "CURSED <G1944>IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"—
[SUP]14 [/SUP] in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
<G2671> KATARA
<G1944> EPIKATARATOS
You see, you really NEED TO examine the GREEK in words that there is a questionable translation on. ONLY THE "ANATHEMA" carries the forbidden meaning of that GREEK WORD pertaining to Christ. As you can see, there are at least THREE different words, that can be translated "Curse" or "Accursed". THEREFORE, you are incorrectly applying it to all THREE. Remember this: ENGLISH is a POOR Language at best, to translate the Bible into.
Here is another example. In English, we ONLY have THREE primary VERB TENSES, while in GREEK they have SIX primary VERB TENSES. Like I said, English is a POOR LANGUAGE to translate the Bible into.
Below the three crosses, will be those GREEK VERB TENSES, and NOTICE the One that causes the MOST confusion, is the one they call Present Tense. IT DOES NOT CARRY THE SAME MEANING as our English Present Tense. It is an action that is a lifelong continuous lifestyle. For example.
1 John 2:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
That word KEEPETH is in the GREEK PRESENT TENSE, it does NOT imply Perfection, IT IMPLIES a lifestyle of continual striving to KEEP. And when we FAIL, 1 John 1:9, that WE CONFESS is also in the PRESENT TENSE, implying we are habitually confessing each new sin that we find in our life.
How do I know which Verb Tense, is each verb? You go to the site listed at the bottom, then look up at the Menu Bar and you will find see the KJV with a space to the left of it to type in the Verse you want. Not all the Tools are there in all the version of the Bible, so leave it on the KJV. Then type in the verse, and it will open a new page, with the entire chapter. Then click on TOOLS to the left of that verse. That pops open another window pertaining to that one VERSE, and you will see to the right of the verb you are searching for, PARSE, so you click on the PARSE, and a smaller window with info on the VERB in question will pop up. The SECOND LINE should be the VERB TENSE.
t.t.t
TENSE
Tense plays a very crucial role in the study of New Testament exegesis. Dana and Mantey understood its significance in saying that "no element of the Greek language is of more importance to the student of the New Testament than the matter of tense". [1] Tense deals both with time and kind of action. Ancient Greek focused more on the latter of these aspects (that is, kind of action); however, time does play a role in verb tense when the mood is indicative (the four moods are explained below).
The aspect of a verb correlates with the kind of action. It determines whether the verb's action is punctiliar, linear or perfected. These are described in the following table.
[TABLE="class: grkVrb, width: 396"]
[TR]
[TD]Punctiliar:[/TD]
[TD="width: 90"]
[TD="width: 215"]action that relates to a specific pointin time[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 90"]Linear:[/TD]
[TD="width: 90"]
[TD="width: 215"]action that is in the progress of occuring[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 90"]Perfected:[/TD]
[TD="width: 90"]
[TD="width: 215"]action that is both punctiliar and linear in that it refers to action relating to a point in time, yet has results that are in the progress of occuring[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
The Present TenseThe present tense can either be continuous/ongoing or undefined. The continuous present is usually translated as "I am loosing" while the undefined is best translated as "I loosen." When the present is used with the indicative mood it denotes present time.
The Pluperfect TenseThe pluperfect has the same aspect as the perfect, yet it's time is farther removed into the past than that of the perfect. Both the completed action and the results of that action occur in the past. It also represents action that is complete and viewed from a point in the past time. [3] The usual translation for the pluperfect is "I had loosened."
[TABLE="class: grkVrb, width: 396"]
[TR]
[TD]Example: Mar 15:46[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]In a tomb which had been hewn out of the rock
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
https://www.blueletterbible.org/help/greekverbs.cfm
Are you talking about the Signature? Like the Bible, Three Crosses, Titus 2:13, and the VCO
It is called the Signature. Go to Settings up top on the Menu Bar. Then scroll down on the Left COLUMN, about half ways down, and it is called Edit Signature. There is a limit to the how many characters and lines, BUT if you use a picture like I did, it eats up a lot more memory for a picture. Looking forward to see what you come up with.
It is called the Signature. Go to Settings up top on the Menu Bar. Then scroll down on the Left COLUMN, about half ways down, and it is called Edit Signature. There is a limit to the how many characters and lines, BUT if you use a picture like I did, it eats up a lot more memory for a picture. Looking forward to see what you come up with.
Hi Decon, To me the lies that Seohce chose to post here should be grounds for being banned or at least given a warning.
Lying lips are an abomination to the LORD, But those who deal faithfully are His delight. Proverbs12:22
Outside of the courts, "it is termed slander." It is possible to bear false witness or slander by spreading rumors.
Quote: What does it mean to bear false witness?
"Starting lies about someone or spreading them is bearing false witness, a terrible offense in the sight of God."
Lying lips are an abomination to the LORD, But those who deal faithfully are His delight. Proverbs12:22
Outside of the courts, "it is termed slander." It is possible to bear false witness or slander by spreading rumors.
Quote: What does it mean to bear false witness?
"Starting lies about someone or spreading them is bearing false witness, a terrible offense in the sight of God."
I believe that if you boiled down everything Paul says about faith and works it would be you cannot obligate God with any work you do. God is not an employer paying wages he is legally obligated to pay. He may obligate himself but we cannot do it.
On another thought Rom 6:22
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the return you get is sanctification and its end, eternal life.
He says the end of sanctification is eternal life. I thought that was justifications job.
On another thought Rom 6:22
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the return you get is sanctification and its end, eternal life.
He says the end of sanctification is eternal life. I thought that was justifications job.