GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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No need to be upset GNP, I do not need to do anything I have provided you with scripture for everything. If you answer my questions I am happy to continue the discussion with you.
You seem to want to change the subject now to the other post in relation to
FIRST LIE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN AND FALSE TEACHERS. Click me
This is ok I do not mind. All I asked you is this the post you are referring to? Did you want to talk about this post now? YES/NO?
You seem a little upset so how about you take 5 min off for a breather, answer my question here and let's continue the conversation. What do you say friend?
You know exactly what the issue is, yet you try and play dumb...
please provide scriptural proof for this statement from you: "THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL REPRESENTS GOD's Commandments" OR you need to unconditionally apologise to this forum for wilfully trying to deceive them!
FIRST LIE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN AND FALSE TEACHERS. Click me
That is why I asked you if you wanted to change the subject. It is ok I am happy to do so. Let's talk about the post. It is true that there are many religious teachers in mainstream Christianity of today teaching a different Gospel that says as the first lie stated in the garden of Eden that it is ok to break God's LAW you will not surely die. They say we are saved by GRACE and there is nothing that we can do to save ourselves. God's LAW is ABOLISHED they say and is nailed to the cross. BELIEVE in Jesus they say all this while not understanding that the devils believe but will not be saved, God's LAW (10 Commandments) is not nailed to the cross and is the standard in God's judgement and that grace is for OBEDIENCE to the FAITH.
You asked the question earlier in relation to this post why did I think the tree of KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL represents God's 10 Commandments?
The answer is in God's WORD..... can you guess the scripture?
Yes but that is not what Colossians 2:14 is referring to. Verse 16 makes it clear that the writer of Colossians is referring to the Book of the Law.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(Col 2:16 KJV)
The word therefore connects verse 16 to verse 14. The ordinances mentioned in verse 16 were handwritten in the book of the Law. Therefore the writer is speaking of the book of the Law in verse 14
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Suggest you read your Bible GNP..
You asked the question earlier in relation to this post.....
FIRST LIE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN AND FALSE TEACHERS. Click me
which was why did I think the tree of KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL represents God's 10 Commandments?
The answer is in God's WORD.....
ROMANS 3 [19], Now we know that whatsoever things the law says, it says to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.
PSALMS 119 [172], My tongue shall speak of your word: for ALL YOUR COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS.
CONCLUSION: The tree of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL fits the description of God's LAW. GOD'S LAW GIVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN (Romans 3:20) and OBEDIENCE to GOD'S LAW is RIGHTEOUSNESS. Therefore God's LAW is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS)
The FALSE GOSPEL is the same one spoken to EVE in the Garden of EDEN which was you can break God's Commandments and you will not surely day.
I guess that did not go the way you expectred either did it?
Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of the Romand Catholic Church.
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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).
If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if
we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
You asked the question earlier in relation to this post.....
FIRST LIE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN AND FALSE TEACHERS. Click me
which was why did I think the tree of KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL represents God's 10 Commandments?
The answer is in God's WORD.....
ROMANS 3 [19], Now we know that whatsoever things the law says, it says to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.
PSALMS 119 [172], My tongue shall speak of your word: for ALL YOUR COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS.
CONCLUSION: The tree of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL fits the description of God's LAW. GOD'S LAW GIVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN (Romans 3:20) and OBEDIENCE to GOD'S LAW is RIGHTEOUSNESS. Therefore God's LAW is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS)
The FALSE GOSPEL is the same one spoken to EVE in the Garden of EDEN which was you can break God's Commandments and you will not surely day.
I guess that did not go the way you expectred either did it?
Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of the Romand Catholic Church.
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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).
If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if
we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
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Ahead of what Game? You reject a wall of scripture that disagree with your BELIEFS and when asked for scripture you say you have none. Funny game your playing and not one I would choose to play with God come judgement day.
Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and tradtitions or men that lead people to break the Commandments of God.
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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).
If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if
we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and tradtitions or men that lead people to break the Commandments of God.
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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).
If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if
we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
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Just re-posting the topic of discussion...
THE FALSE GOSPEL FROM THE GARDEN OF EDEN
Are you following the first lie?
Let's start at John and at the beginning of Genesis 3
Let's start here with the father of lies......
John 8
44, Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: FOR HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.
The Devil is the Father of LIES those that do not FOLLOW God follow their Father the devil and the deeds of their father they will do.
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1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, is a LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM
links to...........
1 John 3
4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; (the father of lies and the deeds of their father they will do)
The father of lies from the begining. Let's go to the beginning will look at separate meanings and types....
Genesis 3
1, Now the SEPENT <Satan Rev 12:9> was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the WOMEN <Church good or bad; Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27; Isaiah 1:21-27; Jeremiah 3:1-3; 6-9; Ezk 16:15-58; 23:2-21; Hos. 2:5; 3:1; Rev. 14:4>, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2, And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the FRUIT of the trees of the garden: <FRUIT of OBEDIENCE (James 2:18; 20; 26; Matthew 7:12-23; Jon 15:1-10)
3, But of the FRUIT of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, LEST YOU DIE <God's LAW; represents God's 10 commandments which gives the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEUSNESS; Good and Evil; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172; but makes nothing perfect>.
4, And the serpent said unto the woman, YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:< The first LIE from the beginning; John 8:44)
5, For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL. < Prior to DIOBEYING God Mankind DID NOT KNOW what EVIL (SIN) was because they were in HARMONY and OBEDIENT to God's WORD>
6, And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7, And THE EYES OF THEM WERE OPENED, AND THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE NAKED; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. <God's LAW is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS; When they SINNED they now had the KNOWLEDGE of both GOOD and EVIL; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172; The saw that they were naked and tried to cover themselves with figleaves; SIN took away their RIGHTEOUSNESS and now they are guilty before God in SIN; NAKED before God in SIN trying to cover themselves with figleaves (flithy rags) Isaiah 63:6; Righteousness to cover our nakedness only from God; Luke 15:22; If we SIN we lose it; Romans 3:19 >
8, And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9, And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10, And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11, And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
Key points and putting it all together..........
The Serpent and father of LIES is the Devil he lied to MANKIND from the beginning. God's Commandment to Adam and Eve was NOT to eat of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) lest you DIE.
Adam and Eve did not have the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) because they had NEVER SINNED and where in HARMONY with God in OBEDIENCE to HIS WORD.
THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL REPRESENTS GOD's Commandments. The TAKING THE FRUIT symbolizes BREAKING the TREE and DISOBEYING God's Commandment.
God says do not eat of the fruit, lest you DIE. By eating the fruit Adam and Eve chose NOT TO BELIEVE GOD and to BELIEVE the serpent. (UNBELIEF in GOD's WORD)
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THIS IS A WARNING FOR US TODAY. THE same LIE told to ADAM and EVE is being repeated in the mainstream Churches of today.
SIN is the transgression of GOD'S LAW and if anyone CONTINUES in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN; God's WORD says they will DIE and not ENTER THE KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-27; 6:4-8; Matthew 7:12-23)
It is only by partaking of the TREE of LIFE (BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's Word by LOVE) through FAITH that Gods FRUITS of OBEDIENCE are seen in the life of God's true people (1 John 3:3-10; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14) and is why Jesus says if you LOVE me keep my commandments ( John 14:15; 15:10)
If you break God's Commandments just like in the days of Adam and EVE you commit SIN (Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will surely die and will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
THE FALSE GOSPEL FROM THE GARDEN OF EDEN
Are you following the first lie?
Let's start at John and at the beginning of Genesis 3
Let's start here with the father of lies......
John 8
44, Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: FOR HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.
The Devil is the Father of LIES those that do not FOLLOW God follow their Father the devil and the deeds of their father they will do.
links to...........
1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, is a LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM
links to...........
1 John 3
4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; (the father of lies and the deeds of their father they will do)
The father of lies from the begining. Let's go to the beginning will look at separate meanings and types....
Genesis 3
1, Now the SEPENT <Satan Rev 12:9> was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the WOMEN <Church good or bad; Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27; Isaiah 1:21-27; Jeremiah 3:1-3; 6-9; Ezk 16:15-58; 23:2-21; Hos. 2:5; 3:1; Rev. 14:4>, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2, And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the FRUIT of the trees of the garden: <FRUIT of OBEDIENCE (James 2:18; 20; 26; Matthew 7:12-23; Jon 15:1-10)
3, But of the FRUIT of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, LEST YOU DIE <God's LAW; represents God's 10 commandments which gives the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEUSNESS; Good and Evil; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172; but makes nothing perfect>.
4, And the serpent said unto the woman, YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:< The first LIE from the beginning; John 8:44)
5, For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL. < Prior to DIOBEYING God Mankind DID NOT KNOW what EVIL (SIN) was because they were in HARMONY and OBEDIENT to God's WORD>
6, And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7, And THE EYES OF THEM WERE OPENED, AND THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE NAKED; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. <God's LAW is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS; When they SINNED they now had the KNOWLEDGE of both GOOD and EVIL; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172; The saw that they were naked and tried to cover themselves with figleaves; SIN took away their RIGHTEOUSNESS and now they are guilty before God in SIN; NAKED before God in SIN trying to cover themselves with figleaves (flithy rags) Isaiah 63:6; Righteousness to cover our nakedness only from God; Luke 15:22; If we SIN we lose it; Romans 3:19 >
8, And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9, And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10, And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11, And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
Key points and putting it all together..........
The Serpent and father of LIES is the Devil he lied to MANKIND from the beginning. God's Commandment to Adam and Eve was NOT to eat of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) lest you DIE.
Adam and Eve did not have the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) because they had NEVER SINNED and where in HARMONY with God in OBEDIENCE to HIS WORD.
THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL REPRESENTS GOD's Commandments. The TAKING THE FRUIT symbolizes BREAKING the TREE and DISOBEYING God's Commandment.
God says do not eat of the fruit, lest you DIE. By eating the fruit Adam and Eve chose NOT TO BELIEVE GOD and to BELIEVE the serpent. (UNBELIEF in GOD's WORD)
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THIS IS A WARNING FOR US TODAY. THE same LIE told to ADAM and EVE is being repeated in the mainstream Churches of today.
SIN is the transgression of GOD'S LAW and if anyone CONTINUES in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN; God's WORD says they will DIE and not ENTER THE KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-27; 6:4-8; Matthew 7:12-23)
It is only by partaking of the TREE of LIFE (BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's Word by LOVE) through FAITH that Gods FRUITS of OBEDIENCE are seen in the life of God's true people (1 John 3:3-10; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14) and is why Jesus says if you LOVE me keep my commandments ( John 14:15; 15:10)
If you break God's Commandments just like in the days of Adam and EVE you commit SIN (Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will surely die and will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
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Let scripture speak.
Alive in Christ
As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men? [We are NOT subject to the ordinances. They all perish.]
(Col 2:6-22 KJV)
Summery. We are born again in Christ and are warned against those false teachers who would imprison us under the law and the doctrines of men from which Christ has freed us.
Alive in Christ
As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men? [We are NOT subject to the ordinances. They all perish.](Col 2:6-22 KJV)
Summery. We are born again in Christ and are warned against those false teachers who would imprison us under the law and the doctrines of men from which Christ has freed us.
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Indeed 1 John 3 also says SIN is breaking God's Commandments and if you do so you are not FOLLOWING God. God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to just like any other of the 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).
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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
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Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if
we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
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Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if
we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
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Hello PS,
You are not Born again in Christ if you are SINNING against him. Those that do so are false teachers and "UNDER THE LAW" Because they are guilty before God of BREAKING God's LAW.
Let scripture speak...
ROMANS 3 [19], Now we know that whatsoever things the law says, it says to them who are UNDER THE LAW: THAT EVERY MOUTH MAY BE STOPPED, AND ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD. [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
1 JOHN 2 [3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], HE THAT SAYS, I KNOW HIM AND KEEP NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.
1 JOHN 3 [3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure. [4], WHOESOEVER COMMITS SIN TRASGRESSES ALSO THE LAW; FOR SIN IS THE TRASGRESSION OF THE LAW; [5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. [6], WHOESOEVER ABIDES IN HIM SINS NOT: WHOESOEVER SINS HAS NOT SEEN HIM OR KNOWS HIM. [7], Little children, LET NO ONE DECIEVE YOU: HE THAT DOES RIGHTEOUSBESS IS RIGHTEOUS EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUSN [8], HE THAT COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. [9], WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT COMMIT SIN, FOR HIS SEED REMAINS IN HIM AND HE CANNOT SIN BECAUSE HE IS BORN OF GOD. [10], IN THIS THE CHILDRN OF GOD ARE MANIFEST AND THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
JAMES 2 [8] If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well: [9], But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted of the law as transgressors. [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law. [12], So speak, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
ROMANS 1 [5], By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.
ROMANS 6 [1], What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer there in?
ROMANS 3 [31], Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.
HEBERWS 10 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
[27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).
If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if
we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
You are not Born again in Christ if you are SINNING against him. Those that do so are false teachers and "UNDER THE LAW" Because they are guilty before God of BREAKING God's LAW.
Let scripture speak...
ROMANS 3 [19], Now we know that whatsoever things the law says, it says to them who are UNDER THE LAW: THAT EVERY MOUTH MAY BE STOPPED, AND ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD. [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
1 JOHN 2 [3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], HE THAT SAYS, I KNOW HIM AND KEEP NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.
1 JOHN 3 [3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure. [4], WHOESOEVER COMMITS SIN TRASGRESSES ALSO THE LAW; FOR SIN IS THE TRASGRESSION OF THE LAW; [5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. [6], WHOESOEVER ABIDES IN HIM SINS NOT: WHOESOEVER SINS HAS NOT SEEN HIM OR KNOWS HIM. [7], Little children, LET NO ONE DECIEVE YOU: HE THAT DOES RIGHTEOUSBESS IS RIGHTEOUS EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUSN [8], HE THAT COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. [9], WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT COMMIT SIN, FOR HIS SEED REMAINS IN HIM AND HE CANNOT SIN BECAUSE HE IS BORN OF GOD. [10], IN THIS THE CHILDRN OF GOD ARE MANIFEST AND THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
JAMES 2 [8] If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well: [9], But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted of the law as transgressors. [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law. [12], So speak, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
ROMANS 1 [5], By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.
ROMANS 6 [1], What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer there in?
ROMANS 3 [31], Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.
HEBERWS 10 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
[27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).
If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if
we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
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Nothing in the quoted verses explains anything about this statement: "THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL REPRESENTS GOD's Commandments"
I have nothing to criticise in the quoted verses, but your hermeneutics is hopelessly out of whack.
Yes, Romans chapter 3 is referring to the Torah, but your interpretation that it explains anything about the events of Genesis Chapter 2 or 3 cannot be accepted at face value.
The Torah was given to Moses - that is inescapable.
God gave Adam a command in Genesis 2:16-17
"16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”"
Only one command and it is clear that the penalty for disobeying the commandment was death.
You have already, truthfully, stated in this thread that before the fall Adam and his wife had no need of the Torah.
But they did have this command, and it was this command that, in its transgression condemned them.
Sin entered because of the transgression of a single command, and a single command only.
There is absolutely no evidence that any other commands or laws were involved.
Also, neither quote provides any kind of link to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil or the events of Genesis chapters 2 and 3.
Furthermore, if Paul can write this, also in Romans 2:12-16:
"12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel."
and even more cogently in Romans 5:12-14
"12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come."
Romans 5:12-14 is clearly teaching that sin and death was present, from Adam to Moses apart from the Law (Torah) and confirming that the Law was not present until Moses.
Also Romans 5:20 "20 [FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound.[/FONT][FONT="] But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, [/FONT]"
and
Romans 7:13-14 "13 [FONT="]Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, [/FONT][FONT="]so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]"
teaches that the Law (Torah) did NOT make sin, sin, but rather made sin "exceedingly sinful".
Sin existed apart from the Torah!
Sin entered the world in Genesis chapter 3, not through or on account of the Law (Torah), but rather through a single commandment given by God in Genesis 2:16-17 and its transgression as recorded in Genesis 3:6-7.
Sin and death reigned from the time of Adam to Moses apart from the Law (Torah) Gen 5:13!
So, your quote of Romans chapter 3:19 does indeed reference the Torah and explains some, but not all of its relationship with sin, however it does not explain your quandary in trying to prove that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents the Torah!
As for Ps 119:172, lovely sentiment but not relevant to the topic at hand...
I have nothing to criticise in the quoted verses, but your hermeneutics is hopelessly out of whack.
Yes, Romans chapter 3 is referring to the Torah, but your interpretation that it explains anything about the events of Genesis Chapter 2 or 3 cannot be accepted at face value.
The Torah was given to Moses - that is inescapable.
God gave Adam a command in Genesis 2:16-17
"16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”"
Only one command and it is clear that the penalty for disobeying the commandment was death.
You have already, truthfully, stated in this thread that before the fall Adam and his wife had no need of the Torah.
But they did have this command, and it was this command that, in its transgression condemned them.
Sin entered because of the transgression of a single command, and a single command only.
There is absolutely no evidence that any other commands or laws were involved.
Also, neither quote provides any kind of link to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil or the events of Genesis chapters 2 and 3.
Furthermore, if Paul can write this, also in Romans 2:12-16:
"12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel."
and even more cogently in Romans 5:12-14
"12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come."
Romans 5:12-14 is clearly teaching that sin and death was present, from Adam to Moses apart from the Law (Torah) and confirming that the Law was not present until Moses.
Also Romans 5:20 "20 [FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound.[/FONT][FONT="] But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, [/FONT]"
and
Romans 7:13-14 "13 [FONT="]Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, [/FONT][FONT="]so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]"
teaches that the Law (Torah) did NOT make sin, sin, but rather made sin "exceedingly sinful".
Sin existed apart from the Torah!
Sin entered the world in Genesis chapter 3, not through or on account of the Law (Torah), but rather through a single commandment given by God in Genesis 2:16-17 and its transgression as recorded in Genesis 3:6-7.
Sin and death reigned from the time of Adam to Moses apart from the Law (Torah) Gen 5:13!
So, your quote of Romans chapter 3:19 does indeed reference the Torah and explains some, but not all of its relationship with sin, however it does not explain your quandary in trying to prove that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents the Torah!
As for Ps 119:172, lovely sentiment but not relevant to the topic at hand...