Will Some NonChristians (Unbelievers) Get to Heaven?
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Heaven means heaven, and generally means the third heaven, or God's Heaven. The throne of God is located in Heaven, and so is the New Jerusalem. As to "the saved", the saved of the Church will live in their eternal home, which is the New Jerusalem. The saved which are not of the Church will live on earth -- the New Earth. There will be saved nations on earth for eternity.
Accountability is a reality in Christ, just as volitional will is still alive and well in Christ despite the grace and power of God leading and doing for us, which is also a reality..
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eternally-gratefull
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I never said it was not. God will hold us all accountable.
Yet grace and mercy saves the unsavable. And brings to christ the ones who apart from it who would never have a change.
if you think you can earn the right and live in a way where you have made it to heaven based on how good holy and righteous you are personally. You are in a dangerous place.
The people who are condemned are condemned because thay did have not believe, are not believing, and in the end, those who will never believe.
those are the words of Jesus, and they will stand forever. The people at the great white judgment are their because they did nto believe, they are there, because God has to try then to test their works, to see if they have enough work to save themselves. And they are found wanting, so all that is left is the book of life.
They are not condemned because of sin, if that is the case. All of us are condemned, and have no hope. Because we all have sinned, are sinning and will sin until the day we die. (Remembering that James said even 1 sin, no mattyer how small makes us sinners)
They are condmened because of unbelief.
In the words of Christ, He who believes is not condemned, He who does not believe is condemned already because they have not believed.
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eternally-gratefull
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Which heaven are we talking about. That should be our first goal. Since the bible speaks of a few
Jesus told the theif, that evening, he would be in paradise with Christ, is that heaven? What is different between paradise and hades?
Can we not have access to both heaven and the new earth?
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The bride of Christ is the New Jerusalem. The collective sum of all believers is the temple, and city, and nation in which God dwells and over which he rules.
New Jerusalem (The Bride) will come to earth from heaven. The Bride consists of those who had been translated and those raised from the dead. They are the immortal or invisible ones. They will possess the kingdom of God on earth. Which will consist of the mortal or visible ones.
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My understanding is (and the long-winded notated version is in my blogs) the Bride of Christ, those found with their lamps still full when He returns, along with those martyred, will inhabit the New Jerusalem. The rest of the saved, found to be living in sin, inhabit the nations of the new earth.
The rapture is not the first resurrection mentioned in Revelation. The saints (from the rapture) will come with Christ when he returns. The "souls under the altar" who were martyred are those spoken of as the "first resurrection". They will be made immortal just as were those of the rapture. The implication of a "first resurrection" is that of a second resurrection in which are the wicked whom are thrown into the lake of fire. Then the kingdom will be established on earth.
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The New Jerusalem is A CITY. While it is personified AS A BRIDE it cannot be the bride for the simple reason that a city cannot be the Wife of the Lamb. However, because it is so closely associated with the actual Bride -- the saints of God -- it is personified as such. Just as death and hell [Hades] are personified in Revelation, riding on a pale horse.
While it is not mentioned in Revelation the Resurrection/Rapture of the Church is the second phase of "the first resurrection". Phase I is the resurrection of Christ. Phase III is the resurrection of the Tribulation Saints.
I just don't understand this thread.
The answer is so simple, if it fell out of the sky and hit one on the head, it couldn't be plainer.
If there were any other way to heaven than through Jesus, either by living well, being good, obeying the 10 commandments, believing there is a God, etc., then Jesus would not have had to come and die.
Not all roads lead to Cleveland, nor do all roads lead to God.
The answer is so simple, if it fell out of the sky and hit one on the head, it couldn't be plainer.
If there were any other way to heaven than through Jesus, either by living well, being good, obeying the 10 commandments, believing there is a God, etc., then Jesus would not have had to come and die.
Not all roads lead to Cleveland, nor do all roads lead to God.
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so what is "through Jesus"? being good and obeying th commandments is NOT through Jesus?
To believe that I, and I alone, have the truth is absolute arrogance. I am quite sure that many people of many belief systems will go to Heaven (be saved). If God is a loving God, He is also just. Just means fiar. He would not condemn people of my religion or other religions (belief systems) for 'getting it wrong'. People who do 'good' ... lead good lives ... will be saved. This is NOT my opinion. You can look it up a religious tolerence.org where you can consult what all religions believe about this. MOST (including Catholicism, Judaism, Muslimism, and Mainline Protestantism .. all monotheistic) believe this.
The phrase "I am the truth, .... and the way .... "the way" means doing/following Jesus' teachings about how to treat one another. It can all be summed up t
Loving God and Loving People (putting those into ACTION). Belief (faith) is only the beginning. If you dont obey Jesus two command ... 1) Love Him (love God) and 2) Love Others (use Sermon on the Mount to interpret how we do that). ... then we are not really Christ-ian ... or following Christ.
If I am wrong on this one, please PROVE me wrong.
The phrase "I am the truth, .... and the way .... "the way" means doing/following Jesus' teachings about how to treat one another. It can all be summed up t
Loving God and Loving People (putting those into ACTION). Belief (faith) is only the beginning. If you dont obey Jesus two command ... 1) Love Him (love God) and 2) Love Others (use Sermon on the Mount to interpret how we do that). ... then we are not really Christ-ian ... or following Christ.
If I am wrong on this one, please PROVE me wrong.
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Could not edit my above post but here is the whole thing:
James 2:14-26 King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
James 2:14-26 King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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eternally-gratefull
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This is really sad. You have been here a week and apparently learned nothing about God, His Son, and his ONLY provision for Salvation.
Please answer. You believe God allowed His Son to be unspeakably tortured, scourged, spat on, humiliated, crucified, and die, KNOWING THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER WAY FOR PEOPLE TO BE SAVED?
And you don't think God the Father finds that incredibly offensive?
Well, I can only hope you stay here long enough that the Lord will soften your heart to the Truth (yes there IS only one Truth) and you will ask Him forgiveness, repent of this horrible heresy, and receive Jesus, and be born again.
