Not By Works

eternally-gratefull · Mar 19, 2018

OBEDIENCE AGAINST DISOBEDIENCE

Matthew 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

originally posted by EG

Only God can judge is what I would say, And the hope is that we would lead one to salvation, because without salvation and experiencing the true love of God in salvation, no one can be obedient, they may be able to not commit adultry, but 0bedience is far more than not commiting adultry, the command is just guide to use to expose us if we break that command, it does nto even tell us how to obey it. Because it was not given for that purpose.

There is only one requirement to be saved. Not many, and that is to have faith in Jesus (john 3: 16 and many other places) which means you have to repent (if you do not repent you can not have true saving faith)

Adding any work, no matter what it is (water baptism, churhc membership. Taking communion, Giving to the poor. Obeying Gods commands) are adding ones work to the equation of grace through faith. And is a false gospel. Period.

Baptism (HS) is a result of the gospel being applied to our lives

Baptism (water) is an act of obedience to the God who SAVED (yes past tense) us and the ability to give a testimony of God to whoever is witnessing your baptism)

Again, Paul said it best, Not by works of righteousness which we have done (water baptism IS a work of righteousness) But by his mercy, He saved us by the washing (water) and renewal (new birth) OF The HOLY SPIRIT (the one who does the washing and gives us new life)

If I have to do the work of water baptism to be saved, Salvation is NOT by grace, but by works. And if your going to obey one command, You better follow them all. Because if it is of works. We better be perfect.

the penalty of sin is death, It is not being water baptised. The payment can only be paid by death (the cross) Water baptism has NO PART in salvation. Period.

post# 57336 posted by EG

Yet KEEPING HIS COMMANDS is NOT WHY WE ARE SAVED. If one says it is, they are teaching law. And thats the problem. Because they do not understand law. If they did understand law. They would never claim OBEDIENCE IS REQUIRED TO BE SAVED , because they would KNOW and UNDERSTAND no amount of obedience will ever put us over the standard required by God. And then they will truly understand the cross.

ElAmor

….But Jesus said;

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

Matthew 7:15-23 A Tree and Its Fruit “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

well I did not say a person who is saved will be disobedient, How you can get what I said about a NON BELIEVER not being able to be obedient, that a person CAN NOT BE OBEDIENT TILL THEY ARE SAVED as to mean I preach that a BELIEVE can live in disobedience, is beyond me, and I am sick of playing games (like I told the other person) so now you have lied about me twice, You can now join the other slanderers in my ignore bin (two in one day, wow!!)

eternally-gratefull · Mar 19, 2018

Budman said:

You too huh? I am sick of these people who have no desire to discuss or figure out what others are really saying, that resort to lieing and attacking people who disagree with them, because they will not open up their ears to listen to what people say!!

NoNameMcgee · Mar 19, 2018

ephesians 1

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

praise God

Shamah · Mar 19, 2018

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 7:24-27, “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does them, shall be like a wise man who built his house on the rock, and the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does not do them, shall be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand, and the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat on that house, and it fell, and great was its fall.” [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 13:35, “By this shall all know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 – poimén)."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:39, “You search the Scriptures, because you think you possess everlasting life in them. And these are the ones that bear witness of Me.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:26, “But the Comforter; the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 6:63, “It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting.” [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, “[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]

NoNameMcgee · Mar 19, 2018

1 Peter Chapter 1

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

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1 John 3
3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

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Philippians 3:9
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith

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Isaiah 53:11 - He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
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Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
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1 Peter 2:24 - Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
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Romans 1:17 - For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
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Romans 3:22 - Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
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Romans 4:5 - But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

VCO · Mar 19, 2018

Ever notice how almost every exceedingly long posts, are those who are trying to justify there false doctrines, with MANY WORDS?

Perhaps here is WHY?

Ecclesiastes 5:3 (NCV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] The saying is true: Bad dreams come from too much worrying, and too many words come from foolish people.

dcontroversal · Mar 19, 2018

ElAmor said:

So tell me who is FALSE?

Matthew 19:16-26 Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

You are........except a man be born again <--by faith not keeping the law!

dcontroversal · Mar 19, 2018

graceNpeace said:

Exactly where I am at the moment

hahahahha and my Aussies mates call me Captain America and love me and i them....hahha

dcontroversal · Mar 19, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

And will add....until he loses his man made religion...............he wil never get it!

dcontroversal · Mar 19, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

Amen...must be in the vine before you can produce....salvation by grace through faith before one work is done or fruit production begins is what places into the vine...even a child can understand that!

dcontroversal · Mar 19, 2018

ElAmor said:

Your baseless, flippant questions equate to less than zero in this thread......serious!

dcontroversal · Mar 19, 2018

Budman said:

Nothing......but hey, he likes to twist things up more than a Aunt Aunties Pretzel....

benhur · Mar 19, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

But we do know Jesus will look at ElAmore and say: has ElAmore forgiven all men their trespasses against him? Yes he has, now I will forgive him of his trespasses against me, and enter thou good and faithful servant.

And to Andy, he will also say: has Andy (who says he believes and trusts and loves me) forgiven all men their trespasses against him? No, he has not. So now I will not forgive him his trespasses against me.

Where will the faithful ElAmore go for eternity, and where will Andy go for eternity? Both good and faithful Christians.

Where does grace are ye saved, not of works, lest we boast work into this scenerio?

NoNameMcgee · Mar 19, 2018

romans 9

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 10
10 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

benhur · Mar 19, 2018

VCO said:

Are you saying that if I hold my words to under 50 words, then I will be considered a smart person?

dcontroversal · Mar 19, 2018

benhur said:

Who are you to even for one second to presume to put words in the mouth of God concerning another man whom you neither know and or can judge.....wow....good luck with that!

dcontroversal · Mar 19, 2018

Some.of the statments, questions and replies that come from the working for, sinless perfectionists and law keepers take the cake for complete audacity and reckless abandon......WOW....very presumptious and lacking any and all understanding!

eternally-gratefull · Mar 19, 2018

benhur said:

But we do know Jesus will look at ElAmore and say: has ElAmore forgiven all men their trespasses against him? Yes he has, now I will forgive him of his trespasses against me, and enter thou good and faithful servant.

And to Andy, he will also say: has Andy (who says he believes and trusts and loves me) forgiven all men their trespasses against him? No, he has not. So now I will not forgive him his trespasses against me.

Where will the faithful ElAmore go for eternity, and where will Andy go for eternity? Both good and faithful Christians.

Where does grace are ye saved, not of works, lest we boast work into this scenerio?

Yeah, everyone notice the cross and the work of God is no where to be seen? We know what this person thinks of Christ and his work

Rosemaryx · Mar 19, 2018

Hi all...

[FONT=Lato, sans-serif](2 Cor 1:20-22) For no matter how many promises God has made, they are “Yes” in Christ. And so through him the “Amen” is spoken by us to the glory of God. {21} Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, {22} set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come...[/FONT]

[FONT=Lato, sans-serif]It is God Himself who makes us stand strong in Christ , even when are knees feel like jelly , it is God who is making us stand , we do nothing on on our own , if we did , we would fall down , it is God alone who keeps us placed firmly...We are sealed , we are stamped with His approval , He has put His Holy Spirit in our hearts , we are His , all His doing not ours...

[/FONT](Eph 3:20-21) Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, {21} to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen...

We can do nothing on our own , everything we do comes from the power of the Almighty , we can take no credit for anything...

(Phil 1:6) being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus...

God wills us , God keeps us...All the glory to God \

/...xox...

ljs · Mar 19, 2018

benhur said:

But we do know Jesus will look at ElAmore and say: has ElAmore forgiven all men their trespasses against him? Yes he has, now I will forgive him of his trespasses against me, and enter thou good and faithful servant.

And to Andy, he will also say: has Andy (who says he believes and trusts and loves me) forgiven all men their trespasses against him? No, he has not. So now I will not forgive him his trespasses against me.

Where will the faithful ElAmore go for eternity, and where will Andy go for eternity? Both good and faithful Christians.

Where does grace are ye saved, not of works, lest we boast work into this scenerio?

oh ben

Do you realize that what you posted says we enter heaven based on what we do or dont do ??
Im worried for you

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