Not By Works
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Yeah, Romans is amazing!
I think I wanted to make a point with those two posts and didn't succeed. I was still your sister when I didn't have the full understanding and believed some was up to me and my efforts. I believed it having already received my new birth. So perfect doctrine doesn't show who my sister is.
I think I wanted to make a point with those two posts and didn't succeed. I was still your sister when I didn't have the full understanding and believed some was up to me and my efforts. I believed it having already received my new birth. So perfect doctrine doesn't show who my sister is.
Hi Ijs,
I am sorry, this does not make any sense to me.
Someone receives Jesus. Jesus is the Messiah, Lord of Creation, through whom all
things were made that were made. He is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and
the end. He cleanses and purifies the believer, He heals the broken hearted, He sets
the prisoner free, yet if you say, if someone has Him in their life, nothing will change,
it will be as if nothing has happened.
Really? So a sinner will continuing sinning, an addict will continue being addicted,
a blasphemer will continue blaspheming, an sexual immoral person will continue being
sexually immoral, a liar will continue lying, a murderer will continue murdering and there
is no problem with this?
But does not scripture declare none such as these will be saved?
Does not scripture declare we are to walk without spot or blemish?
Or is it Jesus is who God sees, so the rest does not matter?
Is that what you are saying?
Is this your view of the gospel of grace? It does not have an effect on man but
it has an effect on God, and He is the one converted to seeing things differently.
Now that does make sense........
E
Here again we have slander, I am sorry, But since we have already been discussing things here, I must call this out.
LJS has never said a person who has been saved will never change, or that it will be as nothign ever happened. NO ONE IN CC since I have been here has ever said this.
Get over yourself man, Your slander of others will not help your case, Will not make you more righteous, Will do nothing but expose you as to who you really are.
You can call me stupid all you want, a person who comntinually has to lie about others is the one who is stupid.
LJS has never said a person who has been saved will never change, or that it will be as nothign ever happened. NO ONE IN CC since I have been here has ever said this.
Get over yourself man, Your slander of others will not help your case, Will not make you more righteous, Will do nothing but expose you as to who you really are.
You can call me stupid all you want, a person who comntinually has to lie about others is the one who is stupid.
Someone a while ago wanted me to point out where you have been dishonest in your post. Well here it is again.
When you make this statement:
"The promises, power and might of Christ matters not
Because on our works we stand tonight"
That is a false statement, meant to deceive, simply because we do not believe such a thing, and I believe you know it, but you continue to use it against me.
So let me say for the record that to me, the promises, power and might of Christ obviously matter. And we cannot stand tonight or any other night on our works only. No amount of works will earn me a place in heaven without the promises and power and might of Christ. They are intricately tied together. My works are dead without Christ, my faith in Christ is dead without works.
That is why they call us Christians because the promises and power and the might of Christ is the centerpiece of our lives.
When you make this statement:
"The promises, power and might of Christ matters not
Because on our works we stand tonight"
That is a false statement, meant to deceive, simply because we do not believe such a thing, and I believe you know it, but you continue to use it against me.
So let me say for the record that to me, the promises, power and might of Christ obviously matter. And we cannot stand tonight or any other night on our works only. No amount of works will earn me a place in heaven without the promises and power and might of Christ. They are intricately tied together. My works are dead without Christ, my faith in Christ is dead without works.
That is why they call us Christians because the promises and power and the might of Christ is the centerpiece of our lives.
E
Actually the words fit you and all people who think they must maintain salvation or it will be lost quite well.
Deny it all you want. It does not make it true.
Notice how you worded it, You say you do not believ on any night we stand on our works. But then you screwed up. You added the word only. In other words. It is not just God and on chrisdt that you stand, you believe you stand on Christ and your works.
Then you said no work will earn you a place in heaven, then again screwed up by saying they will earn you a place in heaven, when they are done with the power and promises and might of christ, and prove it by sayting they are tied together.
You preach faith plus works, you preach grace plus works. The bible does not teach this. And again, DC has you pegged perfectly BECAUSE of the words you added (and I highlighted for you and all to see so you can not deny them)
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 10:38, “And he who does not take up his stake and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 10:39, “He who has found his life shall lose it, and he that has lost his life for My sake shall find it.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 10:40, “He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 10:39, “He who has found his life shall lose it, and he that has lost his life for My sake shall find it.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 10:40, “He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me. [/FONT]
Our inheritance is incorruptible, and undefiled.
Our inheritance does not fade away, and there is a place reserved in heaven for us.
All because we are kept by the power of God through faith.
Faith is the key, you must retain your faith in order for all the following good things to happen to you. Thank you for sharing.
Our inheritance does not fade away, and there is a place reserved in heaven for us.
All because we are kept by the power of God through faith.
Faith is the key, you must retain your faith in order for all the following good things to happen to you. Thank you for sharing.
E
Gal 3: [FONT="]What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. [/FONT]20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.[FONT="]21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.[/FONT]
