GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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oh Dylan?
i thought you meant the poet Paul quotes in Athens
but either way, still very cool
Sometimes I wonder about people like Lao tzu and siddhartha, too. Because as far as we know they had no knowledge of Christ, but from what they knew, they sought righteousness.
These are Gods to judge, not ours.
It is apparent that it is also very difficult for humankind to accept and believe. Flies in the face of our vanity and our tradition of vainly seeking to establish ourselves in God's eyes, who sees and knows all things, from the inner man to the works of his hands
Yes, where then Is boasting?
i want to boast in my own abilities at least a little bit
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Is the problem that humans try to do what the Creator wants or is the problem hat humans ignore what the Creator wants and choose their own path?
Sin came to man from Satan, is then the problem in man the same problem with the evil one: desiring to make ourselves 'like the Most High' - to make ourselves gods, to call God evil, thinking we may judge Him and judge one another? Vanity.
The Creator wants us to obey Him when He says 'do not judge' and when He says 'take out the precious from the vile' and 'return'
The Christ showed us that even 'do not murder' is a shadow, when He says, if you have hated your brother in your heart, you are guilty of murder.
Of course it is His will that we do His will. And it is also His will that we be redeemed to Him through His mercy poured out to us in His Son, not by our works and our self imposed behaviour modification. He will do all His will
The Law = we are free from it by grace, When Jesus died on the cross He paid the penalty of transgressing the law. It doesn't matter which law it is paid in full. It is because the law of the ten commandments can not be removed or changed that Christ needed to die. It was the only way to save us from the law.
This makes the law seem like our enemy and a bad thing, but i'll quote Paul.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Yes we are free from the law. Yes we are not held by the laws penalty of death because of Jesus. But like Paul say's
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
If keeping the sabbath is righteousness we should try to obey not to avoid the penalty but because we are walking in the Spirit as instruments of righteousness unto God.
This makes the law seem like our enemy and a bad thing, but i'll quote Paul.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Yes we are free from the law. Yes we are not held by the laws penalty of death because of Jesus. But like Paul say's
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
If keeping the sabbath is righteousness we should try to obey not to avoid the penalty but because we are walking in the Spirit as instruments of righteousness unto God.
If the law points out sin and sin = death than why are people going to die the eternal death if the law is nailed to the cross?
If law is nailed to the cross than there is no sin and no need for a savior. Why do we need to accept Christ as our savior if there is no law to hold us as sinners today?
How can God let anyone die for eternity if there is nothing condemning them to eternal death?
If law is nailed to the cross than there is no sin and no need for a savior. Why do we need to accept Christ as our savior if there is no law to hold us as sinners today?
How can God let anyone die for eternity if there is nothing condemning them to eternal death?
The difference here is walking after the flesh and walking in the spirit. Jesus came to bring all those that chose to follow him out of darkness which is walking after the flesh. Having nothing to do with God or his commandments. Just wanting to do things their way. This is what we inherited from Adam. The Holy spirit departed Adam and Eve as well, when they ate of the fruit.,and they began to walk after the flesh. And that is what led mankind to eternal death, because they no longer seeked after God.
That's nothing, man
Almost 60,000 posts in "not by works" thread and still people saying salvation by works.
I believe that one keeps getting bumped over and over again just to increase its post count. I do not post there any more. It is a tiresome thread.That's nothing, man
Almost 60,000 posts in "not by works" thread and still people saying salvation by works.
Did you mean today if we hear his voice and not harden our hearts we have entered the sabbath ? A word when defined that means rest with no other meaning added and not week, nor Saturday or Sunday...time sensitive words?
It would seem the paraphrases this time were confused and did not mix faith.
Note.... (green in parenthesis) by personal comments
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest (Sabbath, not Saturday or Sunday) , any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them ( the paraphasers) that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest:(Sabbath, not Saturday or Sunday) although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: (not mixing faith in what they heard) Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, (not saturaday or Sunday.. time sensitive words ) after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice,(not the voice of the paraphraser who did not mix faith ) harden not your hearts.Heb 4:7
The book of Hebrews would appear to be the book to get them back on track. Today is still today... the Sun and the moon are still needed to govern time.
And then some add insult to injury by confusing the Day of LORD with the Lord's Day!
As the heading says, the law has been fulfilled.
Paul went on to say that if righteousness comes by the law, then Christ's death is in vain. Well, Jesus did not die in vain did he.
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. (Gal 2:19-21)
I visit once in a while but never backtrack more than a half dozen pages or so to get a sense of what's currently up
But there is, buried in it, all kinds of absolute treasure. Somewhere in these pages marvelous things are glossed over, ignored and forgotten, too
People are getting the word fulfilled mixed up with the word removed. Jesus have already said the law will not pass away until heaven and earth pass away. Jesus fulfilled the law by putting the finishing touches on it with his teachings.. It is like like putting the last brick in a house to make it complete.