Masturbation of the flesh. Is it a sin?
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If your point of view was the truth, there would be compassion and not judgment.
"All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any: all things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful." Dictators enforcing their own idea of righteousness: bear your own judgment. What is meant by doesn't matter if it's sin or not: what matters is your lack of compassion on those who struggle with addiction. "Who are you to judge another man's servant, to His own master He stands or falls, and God is able to hold Him up."
Years ago when I was 23 had quit smoking marijuana after praying and hearing the Lord tell me: Don't let yourself be tempted. Later in a group that was smoking the weed, when the pipe was offered to me, asked the Lord: Can I smoke, He said: You can do anything you want but your gona fall. I passed the pipe without smoking and was free from that addiction for 23 years, until after the marriage break. At the time saw myself dead already, definitely dead to my own righteousness. Some of you need to experience this, to have compassion on others, but I don't wish it on you. When I was 23 I took pride in hearing the Lord, then He told me: Your gona fall that you may learn to continually repent. I never did have any consistent freedom from addiction to masturbation until recently, even in the marriage was deprived of intimacy with a controlling woman and would masturbate. Do you now understand. Doesn't matter whether it's sin or not: God did not abandon me. "Sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under the law but under Grace." If you knew the extent of addiction and sin I fell in, you would understand. "The prostitutes and sinners enter the kingdom of God before you," They have compassion on those who lack compassion and disqualify us while they are disqualifying themselves. "The merciful shall obtain mercy." I have lived in pride of achievement and puffed up with knowledge and needed to fall to come to my senses, I hope you find an easier way.
"All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any: all things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful." Dictators enforcing their own idea of righteousness: bear your own judgment. What is meant by doesn't matter if it's sin or not: what matters is your lack of compassion on those who struggle with addiction. "Who are you to judge another man's servant, to His own master He stands or falls, and God is able to hold Him up."
Years ago when I was 23 had quit smoking marijuana after praying and hearing the Lord tell me: Don't let yourself be tempted. Later in a group that was smoking the weed, when the pipe was offered to me, asked the Lord: Can I smoke, He said: You can do anything you want but your gona fall. I passed the pipe without smoking and was free from that addiction for 23 years, until after the marriage break. At the time saw myself dead already, definitely dead to my own righteousness. Some of you need to experience this, to have compassion on others, but I don't wish it on you. When I was 23 I took pride in hearing the Lord, then He told me: Your gona fall that you may learn to continually repent. I never did have any consistent freedom from addiction to masturbation until recently, even in the marriage was deprived of intimacy with a controlling woman and would masturbate. Do you now understand. Doesn't matter whether it's sin or not: God did not abandon me. "Sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under the law but under Grace." If you knew the extent of addiction and sin I fell in, you would understand. "The prostitutes and sinners enter the kingdom of God before you," They have compassion on those who lack compassion and disqualify us while they are disqualifying themselves. "The merciful shall obtain mercy." I have lived in pride of achievement and puffed up with knowledge and needed to fall to come to my senses, I hope you find an easier way.
This kind of sounds backwards; Addiction is a very complex subject to deal with, be it concerning drugs, alcohol, gambling, smoking, sex, or a number of other behaviors. I would think that addiction would be more of a problem and less of a willful, sinful act. For example, a Christian friend of mine was addicted to heroin. She prayed for deliverance and sincerely tried to stop using. Unfortunately, she overdosed and died. She'd been clean for a while, but as any clean-and-sober alcoholic or drug addict is aware: you're always at risk; it only takes one drink or one injection to pull you back in.
Addiction is very much like sin: it is never sated and always progresses, always wants one to go further, to get dirtier (if you will). So, I really can't completely divorce addiction from sin, but I do believe that if one is truly trying to break the addiction, then God understands. I don't know why God doesn't simply heal the person outright, but then again, I don't understand a lot about the way God chooses to work.
I'm sure there are some of you who don't believe there is such a thing as a sex addiction. I do believe it and pray for all of those who are caught in its snare. I further believe that it is a tool used by Satan--as are drugs, gambling, etc.
Addiction is very much like sin: it is never sated and always progresses, always wants one to go further, to get dirtier (if you will). So, I really can't completely divorce addiction from sin, but I do believe that if one is truly trying to break the addiction, then God understands. I don't know why God doesn't simply heal the person outright, but then again, I don't understand a lot about the way God chooses to work.
I'm sure there are some of you who don't believe there is such a thing as a sex addiction. I do believe it and pray for all of those who are caught in its snare. I further believe that it is a tool used by Satan--as are drugs, gambling, etc.
We struggle for acceptance until we find it in God, rather than needing affirmation of people: that takes maturity. Patient with yourself and others, unaffected by circumstances and mindful that we are patient in God, who is patient with us. Forgetting what is behind, is One thing Grace enables us to do to move forward: to go on to know the Lord.
"One thing is needful and Mary has chosen that good part which shall not be taken from her."
Her sins witch were many are forgiven because she Loved much."
Mary Magdalene expressed such appreciation to the Lord for taking her blame away, that Jesus expressed His appreciation for her: that she chose the One thing needful. It's easy to miss this, Jesus needed Her anointing of appreciation for encouragement in His death for us, on His Way to the cross.
Jesus still suffers with us and His servants suffer with Him.
Suffering is involved in letting go of our old life, it's being identified with Him in His death."
One thing I do, forgetting what is behind I press on,"
Count it all joy that we can get up and go on.
"His mercy is new every morning, Your great Faithfulness."
"One thing is needful and Mary has chosen that good part which shall not be taken from her."
Her sins witch were many are forgiven because she Loved much."
Mary Magdalene expressed such appreciation to the Lord for taking her blame away, that Jesus expressed His appreciation for her: that she chose the One thing needful. It's easy to miss this, Jesus needed Her anointing of appreciation for encouragement in His death for us, on His Way to the cross.
Jesus still suffers with us and His servants suffer with Him.
Suffering is involved in letting go of our old life, it's being identified with Him in His death."
One thing I do, forgetting what is behind I press on,"
Count it all joy that we can get up and go on.
"His mercy is new every morning, Your great Faithfulness."
"Strive to enter in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able."
In 1 John: tree groups are mentioned: children, fathers, and young men who are strong and know the word of God and have overcome the evil one. Only the last group are referred as overcomers.
John goes on to warn "Love not the world, if anyone loves the world, the Love of the Father is not in Him."
Paul addressed a church that was divided and carnal, as babes in Christ.
"By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should consider. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved, even though only as one escaping through the flames."
If our affection is in this life, we are building with temporal things that will burn; living for ourselves is a dream that wakes us up when we suffer loss: the marriage break in my case. Tempted to go back to sleep, looking for comfort in the world rather than following in the sufferings of Christ, to overcome the world: only possible by His Spirit. The Lord did not abandon me, and to encourage me to go on when I was in drug addiction told me: Enter in as a little child and put away your divided spirit. I asked Him how old I was as a little child in spirit, He said: 12. Gradually understood the experience of Jesus at 12 years of age, about being in the Father's house: doing the will of the Father. Weeks latter still in addiction, with compassion in His voice: Come to My house, I'M coming to My house. A year later after a time in recovery: stumbling and turning to Him for help, woke up in the morning hearing: This kind does not come out but by prayer and fasting. To encourage me concerning what He told me a year before: Enter in as a little child and put away your divided spirit.
Have been in recovery for 2 years.
While it's written that "Nothing is evil in itself, but to him who esteems it to Him it is evil."
It's also written, "I Have suffered the loss of all things that I may gain Christ."
If nothing is evil in itself, why suffer the loss of all things?
Holding on to a life in our comfort zone, in things of the world, keeps us from going on to know the Lord.
"One thing, forgetting what's behind to go on to know the Lord."
In 1 John: tree groups are mentioned: children, fathers, and young men who are strong and know the word of God and have overcome the evil one. Only the last group are referred as overcomers.
John goes on to warn "Love not the world, if anyone loves the world, the Love of the Father is not in Him."
Paul addressed a church that was divided and carnal, as babes in Christ.
"By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should consider. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved, even though only as one escaping through the flames."
If our affection is in this life, we are building with temporal things that will burn; living for ourselves is a dream that wakes us up when we suffer loss: the marriage break in my case. Tempted to go back to sleep, looking for comfort in the world rather than following in the sufferings of Christ, to overcome the world: only possible by His Spirit. The Lord did not abandon me, and to encourage me to go on when I was in drug addiction told me: Enter in as a little child and put away your divided spirit. I asked Him how old I was as a little child in spirit, He said: 12. Gradually understood the experience of Jesus at 12 years of age, about being in the Father's house: doing the will of the Father. Weeks latter still in addiction, with compassion in His voice: Come to My house, I'M coming to My house. A year later after a time in recovery: stumbling and turning to Him for help, woke up in the morning hearing: This kind does not come out but by prayer and fasting. To encourage me concerning what He told me a year before: Enter in as a little child and put away your divided spirit.
Have been in recovery for 2 years.
While it's written that "Nothing is evil in itself, but to him who esteems it to Him it is evil."
It's also written, "I Have suffered the loss of all things that I may gain Christ."
If nothing is evil in itself, why suffer the loss of all things?
Holding on to a life in our comfort zone, in things of the world, keeps us from going on to know the Lord.
"One thing, forgetting what's behind to go on to know the Lord."
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Much to be said but there is the obvious: there are 2 point of view among believers, but all appear to agree that addiction is sin. This is quite well supported in the word, addiction is from looking for comfort apart from God in isolation and once an addiction is broken picking it up is where you left off: in addiction. This would be reason for many to call it sin no mater what and I lived in that trouble and abstaining was not an option as it would build intensity of desire for woman. Some of you know what I'm talking about, except for alfa males who seem to have that under control and seem to win the argument. The issue here is are you looking on a woman to lust after her in your heart and committing adultery. But some will say is that not what this discussion is about: once addicted it may be the hardest addiction to break, but partly from ignorance shame and condemnation. So to start with: Your shame is taken away at the cross, a loving creator had to take the blame for His creation, it was the Loving ting to do.
There is no verse that spells out that that it's sin in itself and there are verses that say, "Nothing is evil in itself, but to him who esteems it, to him it is evil,"
An example of wrong esteem, would be to make it part of your comfort zone.
Anything that holds us back from going on to know the Lord, "Whatsoever is not of faith is sin."
Since we need 2 or 3 verses to make a point.
"All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any, all things are lawful for me but not all things build up in Love."
"If you have died with Christ to the forces of the world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its regulations: “Do not touch, do not handle do not taste, These will all perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings," Not masturbating will not make you clean in the sight of God. There are unbelievers who don't masturbate, not to waste their affections there. Some are alpha males who focus their motivation on being the natural leader they are, while there is some benefit to this with the right motive, these natural leaders are more like dictators. Some are salesmen who focus there energy on sales motivation.
Also included "Sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under the law but under grace.
If you are addicted, your blame is taken away you need to see past your shame to go on to know the Lord. "My grace is sufficient for you for my strength is made perfect in weakness." The Lord is saying to draw on His grace and in your weakness you will learn to do so in Humility that is from Him, so that you will know victory from Him also and not fall into pride of achievement: to think your better that others.
There is no verse that spells out that that it's sin in itself and there are verses that say, "Nothing is evil in itself, but to him who esteems it, to him it is evil,"
An example of wrong esteem, would be to make it part of your comfort zone.
Anything that holds us back from going on to know the Lord, "Whatsoever is not of faith is sin."
Since we need 2 or 3 verses to make a point.
"All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any, all things are lawful for me but not all things build up in Love."
"If you have died with Christ to the forces of the world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its regulations: “Do not touch, do not handle do not taste, These will all perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings," Not masturbating will not make you clean in the sight of God. There are unbelievers who don't masturbate, not to waste their affections there. Some are alpha males who focus their motivation on being the natural leader they are, while there is some benefit to this with the right motive, these natural leaders are more like dictators. Some are salesmen who focus there energy on sales motivation.
Also included "Sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under the law but under grace.
If you are addicted, your blame is taken away you need to see past your shame to go on to know the Lord. "My grace is sufficient for you for my strength is made perfect in weakness." The Lord is saying to draw on His grace and in your weakness you will learn to do so in Humility that is from Him, so that you will know victory from Him also and not fall into pride of achievement: to think your better that others.
