GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

Studyman · Mar 14, 2018

I am not interested in every other religion in the earth. Only the God of Abraham that became a Man to save me. It is His instruction that concerns me, not to gods of every other religion.

I don't believe His instructions are men's traditions, vain deceit, or rudiments of the world as many preach.

You may be right. Maybe we can create our own religion and traditions as it suits us. After all, it is just a book.

Dan_473 · Mar 14, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

BELIEVING; SEEKING and FOLLOWING; ALL of God's Word through FAITH the works by LOVE.

The KNOWLEDGE of good and evil (SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS) is God's LAW

Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

"BELIEVING; SEEKING and FOLLOWING; ALL of God's Word through FAITH the works by LOVE."

right, and you understand the ten commandments to be part of that
any other commandments in addition to the ten?

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posted from my phone, blessings!

Dan_473 · Mar 14, 2018

Studyman said:

the Priests were following God's Commands specifically for Priests.
the people weren't allowed to perform the duties of the Priest.

so we see that God will sometimes lead a person to keep one commandment while breaking another

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posted from my phone, blessings!

Jackson123 · Mar 14, 2018

lightbearer said:

thanks dear, so you believe this verse cancel numbers 14:32-36 am I correct?

Jackson123 · Mar 14, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

Hi LB, so true.

I am just amazed at what lengths people will go to ignore God's WORD in order to follow their own traditions.
I BELIEVE God says to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling for a reason.

I understand the scriptures in Isaiah better now that both Jesus and Paul quoted to the Jews that did not BELIEVE them. They told those that would not BELIEVE God's WORD....

Well spoke the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet to our fathers,Saying, Go to this people, and say, Hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and not perceive: For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Nice to see you LB. God bless you as you continue in His WORD.

So you agree with brother lightberear, how about colosians 2:14 the verse you give me.

Dear wich one you believe cancel numbers 15?

don't it prove you change the story?

Jackson123 · Mar 14, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

you keep doing the same strategy dear, no direct answer, not to the point and not answer the question,

if the question wich one is bigger, Phoenix, or Los Angeles, you respon is: New York is big city

the question is do you believe Colossians 2:14 cancel numbers 15:32-36

than you quote 50 verses because you state it before and change the verse add it

the verse say blotting handwriting ordinance and you say blotting Moses handwriting ordinance, not 10 commandment.

you make up the verse to make this verse only cancel numbers 15 but not 4 commandment.

Studyman · Mar 14, 2018

posthuman said:

It is true that "Many, who come in Christ's Name agree with your religious doctrines. This can not be denied. But that in itself means little. Paul says the OT was written for our admonition. I am reminded of this story.

Num. 13:27 And they told him, and said, We came unto the land whither thou sentest us, and surely it floweth with milk and honey; and this is the fruit of it.28 Nevertheless the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there.

30 And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it.
31 But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we.

Num. 14:6 And Joshua the son of Nun, and Caleb the son of Jephunneh, which were of them that searched the land, rent their clothes:
7 And they spake unto all the company of the children of Israel, saying, The land, which we passed through to search it, is an exceeding good land.
8 If the LORD delight in us, then he will bring us into this land, and give it us; a land which floweth with milk and honey.
9 Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye the people of the land; for they are bread for us: their defence is departed from them, and the LORD is with us: fear them not.

God gave them instructions and Caleb believed God. But all the people that were with him, who claimed to be the children of this same God, didn't believe Him.

10 But all the congregation bade stone them with stones. And the glory of the LORD appeared in the tabernacle of the congregation before all the children of Israel.
11 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long will this people provoke me? and how long will it be ere they believe me, for all the signs which I have shewed among them?

To me, it's about what the Word of God says, all of them. Not just a few that can be used to support some ancient religious traditions.

Even if the whole world of religious people didn't really believe in the God of Abraham and His Words, that in itself would not be an excuse given the story above.

Num. 14:21 But as truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD.
22 Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;
23 Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:
24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.

This is the God that became a Man to save me. This is the God I believe.

Studyman · Mar 14, 2018

Dan_473 said:

How is "Go and sin no more" different than "If thou will enter life, keep the commandments"?

Studyman · Mar 14, 2018

Dan_473 said:

So Jesus is directing you to reject His own Word's.

OK Dan.

garee · Mar 14, 2018

It does not cancel but reveals what kind of law it is.

The forth commandment is a ceremonial law used to regulate ceremonies that are used as shadows pointing to the true sabbath ,. Not a moral law to govern the morals of the whole world.

It’s the only commandment that gives a reason as a parable and not only that, the reasons are different from the Exodus account from the Deuteronomy application.

One thing I have noticed is most paraphrases have turned the non-time sensitive word Sabbath into one that is subject to time.In doing so they have changed the intent of how the word is used.

While some say he did a work and that is why he was stoned it clear that he was using firewood to bake the manna violating the commandment. He did to but prepare it on the day prior. He was not just tries to get warm. that kind of work is permitted.

The Jew have added to that ceremonial law and made everything a work that must be kosher as approved by them.

And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.Num 15:32

It is used in the new testament in the same way changing the non-time sensitive word to the word week as if the Sabbath rest was sensitive to time restrictions . It would appear they were not mixing faith (the unseEn in what they did hear or see and missed the goepel application..

Anytime we hear the voice of God day or night and do not harden our heart we have entered the Sabbath rest ,Not week.

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.Heb For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:(NOT MIXING FAITH) Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. HEBREWS 4

Matthew 28 Young's Literal Translation

28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

(at the dawn, toward the first of the new era of Sabbaths) No room for the word week.

Change the meaning of one word ( Sabbath) ..change the authors intent.

Studyman · Mar 14, 2018

Dan_473 said:

You said;

I answered;

You raised the question; "Is God a thief" or if He gives me something He took from someone else, am I a thief??

I answered according to the Word as I understand it.

What are you even saying here in your reply ? Where is the Biblical support for this preaching?

You own everything until you give God a tenth?

God doesn't own you unless you let Him? Who is the judge?

Where do you get this stuff?

Studyman · Mar 14, 2018

posthuman said:

It's not about what you do, none of us can see, neither do I care. It's what you preach that matters on an internet Bible Discussion forum.

PS · Mar 14, 2018

Dan_473 said:

No. That was Plato speaking, and Paul replied (this was a debate so it moves on) and said he would not allow anything to control him, as for example alcohol, drugs, and prostitution if you are a woman, might.

He ended the debate that went on for longer than we have it in the Bible, by saying "Therefore, glorify God with your bodies" or as I would say, "Bring honour and glory to God in everything you do."

PS · Mar 14, 2018

PS said:

I have just had a thought, If we bring honour and glory to God in everything we do, we don't need any commandments do we.

We wont have done anything wrong or unpleasing to God.

Studyman · Mar 14, 2018

PS said:

Don't we already have an example from Jesus about "many" who give God the glory for all they do, but also believed, as you do, that they didn't need God's Commandments?

Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Transgress God's Commandments)

Wouldn't bringing Glory to God be trusting His Instructions instead of the Pope to Jimmy Swaggert?

PS · Mar 14, 2018

Studyman said:

People read the words, but they go straight over their heads. Consequently what is a truism is turned into a lie.

Jesus said in Mat 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

What do they need to do to enter into the 'kingdom of heaven'?

Answer: They need to do the will of CHRIST'S Father. Remember, the Jews had their own father. Do I need to spell out who the god of the Jews was?

Jackson123 · Mar 14, 2018

garee said:

It does not cancel but reveals what kind of law it is.

The forth commandment is a ceremonial law used to regulate ceremonies that are used as shadows pointing to the true sabbath ,. Not a moral law to govern the morals of the whole world.

It’s the only commandment that gives a reason as a parable and not only that, the reasons are different from the Exodus account from the Deuteronomy application.

One thing I have noticed is most paraphrases have turned the non-time sensitive word Sabbath into one that is subject to time.In doing so they have changed the intent of how the word is used.

While some say he did a work and that is why he was stoned it clear that he was using firewood to bake the manna violating the commandment. He did to but prepare it on the day prior. He was not just tries to get warm. that kind of work is permitted.

The Jew have added to that ceremonial law and made everything a work that must be kosher as approved by them.

And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.Num 15:32

It is used in the new testament in the same way changing the non-time sensitive word to the word week as if the Sabbath rest was sensitive to time restrictions . It would appear they were not mixing faith (the unseEn in what they did hear or see and missed the goepel application..

Anytime we hear the voice of God day or night and do not harden our heart we have entered the Sabbath rest ,Not week.

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.Heb For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:(NOT MIXING FAITH) Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. HEBREWS 4

Matthew 28 Young's Literal Translation

28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

(at the dawn, toward the first of the new era of Sabbaths) No room for the word week.

Change the meaning of one word ( Sabbath) ..change the authors intent.

yep I agree, 4 th commandment is ceremonial, it not like do not steal, it hurt other.

Dan_473 · Mar 14, 2018

Studyman said:

i don't think*"Go and sin no more" is in the story of the women at the well

not that Jesus is in favour of sin

but it's not listed as a condition of receiving living water in that story

Dan_473 · Mar 14, 2018

Studyman said:

no, it's telling me that Christ lives in me

so i no longer live for myself

Dan_473 · Mar 14, 2018

Studyman said:

no, it's a progression that the Jews (and by extension the world) went through, and each individual person goes through

although, many people get stuck along the way

this is how we see it as we grow
first, i own everything

then, God owns a tenth, plus first born, first fruits

then God owns everything

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