GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

LoveGodForever · Mar 10, 2018

WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BELIEVE OR NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS?

Jesus is the Word of God. If you do not BELIEVE God's WORD you do NOT believe in Jesus......

Matthew 4
4, But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.

John 17
17, Sanctify them through thy truth: THY WORD IS TRUTH.

Psalms 119
11, YOUR WORD have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

2 Peter 1
4, Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

John 8
31,Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32, And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33, They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, Ye shall be made free?
34, Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
35, And the servant abides not in the house for ever: but the Son abides ever.
36, If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

John 1
1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2, The same was in the beginning with God.
3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5, And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6, There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7, The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8, He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9, That was the true Light, which lights every man that cometh into the world.
10, He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11, He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12, But as many as received him,<the WORD> to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name <the WORD is Savior Matt 1:21>:
13, Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14, AND THE WORD BECOME FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides for ever.

John 14
6, Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, THE TRUTH <the WORD is truth; John 17:17>, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 1
21, And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS<the WORD> : for he shall save his people from their sins <the WORD is Saviour>.

John 3
16, For God so LOVED the world that he gave his only begotten son that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES on HIM SHOULD HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE

Let's put it all together...........

We are to LIVE by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD (Matthew 4:4); IF we CONTINUE IN HIS WORD THEN ARE WE HIS DISCIPLES and we shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set us FREE from SIN (John 8:31-32; 34;36).

We are made HOLY BY THE WORD and ONLY God's Word is TRUTH (Psalms 119:172); We are BORN AGAIN by FAITH in the WORD

What is all this leading to, can you guess...............................

JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD the power of creation(John 1:1-14; Genesis chapters 1-2).
EVERLASTING LIFE IS GIVEN TO THOSE THAT BELIEVE EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.

THE NAME of JESUS means SAVIOR (Matthew 1:21). We are BORN AGAIN as we BELIEVE GOD"S WORD. JESUS meaning Saviour means that THE WORD OF GOD IS JESUS AND THE WORD OF GOD ARE ONE AND THE WORD IF GOD IS OUR SAVIOR AS WE BELIEVE IT! FAITH IS THE VICTORY!

To BELIEVE on the LORD JESUS MEANS TO LIVE BY FAITH IN EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD!

IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD YOU DO NOT BELIEVE in JESUS because HE IS THE WORD OF GOD! JESUS IS THE WORD AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TO BELIEVE.

Continuing..........

John 3
16, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son <the WORD>, that whosoever believes in him <the WORD> should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17, For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him <the WORD> might be saved.
18, He that believes on him <the WORD> is not condemned: but he that believe not <the WORD> is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name <the WORD IS SAVIOR> of the only begotten Son of God.
19, And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20, For every one that does evil hate the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21, But he that doe truth <the WORD> cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

If you reject God's WORD you reject the Gift of God's dear SON. SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

John 12
47, And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48, He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Which ever way my friend you want to say it you either BELIEVE and FOLLOW ALL of God's Word or you are still in your SINS.

Doesnt look good for some come judgement day. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE EVERY WORD.

Those who do not are UNBELIEVERS and UNBELIEVERS have no part in God's KINGDOM.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

PS · Mar 10, 2018

MarcR said:

The Canaanite's called it Baal and the Israelites recognised it as Yhwh, giving it a Jewish name.

Baal and YHWH.
Whatever facts can be gathered from the original accounts of that time in regard to this Yhwh cult at the old Canaanite sanctuaries, which was perhaps also influenced by the ritual of the Canaanites themselves, are confirmed by the accounts referring to several of these places of worship. Thus there was at Shechem a Baal-berith ( = "covenant Baal"), who was evidently intended as the guardian and protector of the covenant made between the Israelites and the Canaanites in regard to their dwelling together in peace (Judges ix.). As it is not explained whether he was intended to represent Yhwh or Baal, the Canaanite part of the inhabitants of Shechem probably took him to be Baal, while the Israelites recognized him, in spite of his name "Baal," as Yhwh. And Jerubbaal (Gideon), who, as stated above, went to battle in behalf of Yhwh, and erected a sanctuary to Yhwh in his native city of Ophrah, set up in the sanctuary an ephod, that is, an idol, which, in accordance with Canaanite custom and skill, was finely wrought and covered with precious metals.

The later reviser of Gideon's story not unjustly regarded this as a grievous apostasy on the part of Gideon and his contemporaries (ib. viii., especially verses 27 et seq.). The Danites, on their expedition to Laish, found a similar idol on Mount Ephraim, together with teraphim, images probably representing progenitors of the tribe or race. While the narrator of the story is sure that both emblems refer to the cult of Yhwh, and are not images of Baal and Ashtaroth, the reviser thinks it necessary always to add the words to in order to indicate that they were carved and cast images (and hence did not belong to the Yhwh cult, which permitted no such images). When the Danites seized the images together with the attendant priest, and carried them to Dan, a sanctuary arose there that subsequently became famous, and whose Levitic priests traced their descent back to Moses (ib. xvii-xviii., especially xviii.30).

JUDGES, PERIOD OF - JewishEncyclopedia.com

PS · Mar 10, 2018

lightbearer said:

My favourite memory verse as a child was Proverbs 3:5-6. I was given this when I went through the waters of baptism and have followed it all my life. It has stood me in good stead and quite simply it is:

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

By casting my cares on Jesus I have found rest in Him every day, and one day I shall have eternal rest with Him.

MarcR · Mar 10, 2018

PS said:

The Canaanite's called it Baal and the Israelites recognised it as Yhwh, giving it a Jewish name.

Baal and YHWH.
Whatever facts can be gathered from the original accounts of that time in regard to this Yhwh cult at the old Canaanite sanctuaries, which was perhaps also influenced by the ritual of the Canaanites themselves, are confirmed by the accounts referring to several of these places of worship. Thus there was at Shechem a Baal-berith ( = "covenant Baal"), who was evidently intended as the guardian and protector of the covenant made between the Israelites and the Canaanites in regard to their dwelling together in peace (Judges ix.). As it is not explained whether he was intended to represent Yhwh or Baal, the Canaanite part of the inhabitants of Shechem probably took him to be Baal, while the Israelites recognized him, in spite of his name "Baal," as Yhwh. And Jerubbaal (Gideon), who, as stated above, went to battle in behalf of Yhwh, and erected a sanctuary to Yhwh in his native city of Ophrah, set up in the sanctuary an ephod, that is, an idol, which, in accordance with Canaanite custom and skill, was finely wrought and covered with precious metals.

The later reviser of Gideon's story not unjustly regarded this as a grievous apostasy on the part of Gideon and his contemporaries (ib. viii., especially verses 27 et seq.). The Danites, on their expedition to Laish, found a similar idol on Mount Ephraim, together with teraphim, images probably representing progenitors of the tribe or race. While the narrator of the story is sure that both emblems refer to the cult of Yhwh, and are not images of Baal and Ashtaroth, the reviser thinks it necessary always to add the words to in order to indicate that they were carved and cast images (and hence did not belong to the Yhwh cult, which permitted no such images). When the Danites seized the images together with the attendant priest, and carried them to Dan, a sanctuary arose there that subsequently became famous, and whose Levitic priests traced their descent back to Moses (ib. xvii-xviii., especially xviii.30).

JUDGES, PERIOD OF - JewishEncyclopedia.com

This is an excellent post and obviously a good-faith citation. Though certainly no fault of yours, there is something very fishy about it. I am speaking about a major anachronism. Baal and YHWH. The introduction of the use of the 'W' sound for the letter vahv did not occur until more than 50 years after the alleged publication date of 1906! Somebody is lying and it certainly isn't you!

MarcR · Mar 11, 2018

MarcR said:

After thinking about it, it seems that someone is trying to discredit the Hebrew Roots Movement. IMO, that is not a bad idea; but lying, IMO, is NOT the way to go about it.

Shamah · Mar 11, 2018

PS said:

Yet the verse you quote says to trust YHWH...

Proverbs 3:5-7, "Trust in יהוה with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; Know Him in all your ways, And He makes all your paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear יהוה and turn away from evil."

Yet you say the Mighty One, the Father of the Messiah is a pagan god...

I think you are ver mixed up...

MarcR said:

A excellent post? He is calling the Father a pagan god and you say this....

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 32:3-4, "For I will proclaim YHWH's great Name! Praise the greatness of YHWH! He is The Rock. His works are perfect; YHWH's ways are justice indeed! He is the Father of truth, and does no wrong. Upright and Just is He."[/FONT]

Shamah · Mar 11, 2018

MarcR said:

OK, yeah I was a bit put off by your agreement there... That stuff he pushes is extreme marcionisim or worse.

MarcR · Mar 11, 2018

Shamah said:

He is NOT calling the Father anything of the sort. He is citing a supposedly reputable source stating, as does the Bible, that in the time of the Judges there was rampant idolatry. I pointed out that the post through no fault of his is badly flawed.

Read things through before you jump down people's throats.

PS · Mar 11, 2018

MarcR said:

I'm not qualified to speak on Hebrew. My concern is with the two themes that persist throughout scripture. We meet it right there in the Garden of Eden and it concerns right and wrong, truth and error. The serpent has always been with us seeking who he may destroy, and as I read the Bible I am struck by two conflicting accounts, the simple example is Moses who was commanded by the LORD not to kill and straight afterwards God tells him to do the very opposite.

The judges were gods, Psalm 82 is a good example, they were evil and Asaph pleads for deliverance from them... it is clear to me that where God is, there also is the deceiver who seeks to destroy. Again in scripture there were those who were making burnt offerings, which the true God abhors. There were two G/gods as there are today and always will be, and one of them was Satan, the destroyer.

Shamah · Mar 11, 2018

MarcR said:

No actually I have gone over this many times with him, he seems to think that the "Jews" YHWH is Baal, that when Yahshua said "you are your father the devil" hHe was talking about YHWH. PS cites Israels wars with surrounding nations that sought to exterminate Israyl, and YHWH commanding their destruction to be proof. PS ignores the fact that these nations were extremely pagan, committed child sacrifice, bled their paganisim into Israyl, and sought to destroy Israyl, which if they had succedded Yahshua woiuld not have been born; thus YHWH saying to fight them off and not partake in their ways. I have gone over this with PS multiple times and offered him extensive Scriptual evidence, he goes quiet then a few weeks later repeats it. If you agree wit hthat post he posted I without hesitation say you need to repent of that anti Yah hate, if not then no worries. I know Israylites went astray and worshipped those other than YHWH, yet PS says YHWH is Baal... PS told me that "El" in the beginning of Genesis is "God" and when "YHWH" is written it is "satan" Complete falsehhod. So I sho\wed PS in Genesis 2 where it says YHWH is the Creator of all that is, it seems it does not matter to him.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 2:4, “These are the births of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Elohim made earth and heavens.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 45:18, "For thus said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Creator of the heavens, He is Mighty, Sculptor of earth and its Maker, He established it, He did not create it to be empty, He formed it to be inhabited: “I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and there is none else."[/FONT][/FONT]

Shamah · Mar 11, 2018

PS said:

Psalm 83:1-18, "83:1, "O Elohim, do not remain silent! Do not be speechless, And do not be still, O Ěl!"83:2, "For look, Your enemies make an uproar, And those hating You have lifted up their head."83:3, "They craftily plot against Your people, And conspire against Your treasured ones."83:4, "They have said, “Come, And let us wipe them out as a nation, And let the name of Yisra’ĕl be remembered no more.”"83:5, "For they have conspired together with one heart; They have made a covenant against You –"83:6, "The tents of Eḏom and the Yishma‛ĕlites, Mo’aḇ and the Haḡarites,"83:7, "Geḇal, and Ammon, and Amalĕq, Philistia with the inhabitants of Tsor,"83:8, "Ashshur also has joined with them, They have helped the children of Lot. Selah."83:9, "Do to them as to Miḏyan, As to Sisera, As to Yaḇin at the wadi Qishon,"83:10, "Who perished at Ěndor, Who became as dung for the ground."83:11, "Make their nobles like Orĕḇ and like Ze’ĕḇ, And all their princes like Zeḇaḥ and Tsalmunna,"83:12, "Who have said, “Let us take possession of the pastures of Elohim For ourselves.”"83:13, "O my Elohim, make them as whirling dust, As stubble before the wind!"83:14, "As a fire consumes a forest, And as a flame sets mountains on fire,"83:15, "So pursue them with Your whirlwind, And frighten them with Your storm."83:16, "Fill their faces with shame, And let them seek Your Name, O יהוה. 83:17, "Let them be ashamed and alarmed forever; And let them become abashed and perish,"83:18, "And let them know that You, Whose Name is [FONT=Times\ New\ Roman]יהוה[/FONT], You alone are the Most High over all the earth."

PS · Mar 11, 2018

Shamah said:

RED: That can't be. If you knew me you would know I believe Jesus is God on earth and that Father and Son are One. See my avatar.

Jesus was saying in John 8:44 that the God of the Jews, their Father, was the devil.

Shamah · Mar 11, 2018

PS said:

Yet Yahshua/Jesus was a Jew and all 12 deciples were Jews.. Not all Jews are bad. You show strong signs of anti-semitisim, for moinths now.

We have had this conversation before.

So we can settle it here;

Is YHWH the Father of Yahshua/Jesus?

PS · Mar 11, 2018

Shamah said:

The Father is the WORD who came among us.

Jesus is the WORD, not YHWH.

Shamah · Mar 11, 2018

PS said:

John 8:39-46, "8:39, "They answered and said to Him, “Aḇraham is our father.”יהושע said to them, “If you were Aḇraham’s children, you would do the works of Aḇraham.8:40, "“But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has spoken to you the truth which I heard from Elohim. Aḇraham did not do this."8:41, "“You do the works of your father.” Then they said to Him, “We were not born of whoring, we have one Father: Elohim.”"8:42, "יהושע said to them, “If Elohim were your Father, you would love Me, for I came forth from Elohim, and am here. For I have not come of Myself, but He sent Me."8:43, "“Why do you not know what I say? Because you are unable to hear My Word."8:44, "“You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you wish to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it."8:45, "“And because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me."8:46, "“Who of you proves Me wrong concerning sin? And if I speak the truth, why do you not believe Me?"

Exodus 3:13-15, “And Mosheh said to Elohim, “See, when I come to the children of Yisra’yl and say to them, ‘The Elohim of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His Name?’ what shall I say to them?” And Elohim said to Mosheh, “I am (H1961) who (H834) I am (H1961).” and He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Yisra’yl, ‘I am has sent me to you.” And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to the children of Yisra’yl, ‘יהוה Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Ya‛aqoḇ, has sent me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all generations.”

Genesis 2:7, "And יהוה Mighty formed the man out of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils breath of lives. And the man became a living being."

You know it was disobedient Jews who removed YHWH from the text and replced it with "the Lord"

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7 page 680
The personal name... written in the Hebrew Bible with the four consonants YHWH and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton." At least until the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. this name was regularly pronounced with its proper vowels, as is clear from the Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date. But at least by the third century B.C.E. the pronunciation of the name YHWH was avoided and Adonai,"the Lord,"was substituted for it.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]International Standard Bible Encyclopedia - ADONAI
a-do'-ni, ad-o-na'-i ('adhonay): A Divine name, translated "Lord," and signifying, from its derivation, "sovereignty." Its vowels are found in the Massoretic Text with the unpronounceable tetragrammaton YHWH; and when the Hebrew reader came to these letters, he always substituted in pronunciation the word " 'adhonay," (Lord). Its vowels combined with the tetragrammaton form the word "YHWH (YHWH)."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"Following an ancient tradition, begun by the first translation of the Hebrew Scriptures (the Septuagint) and followed by the vast majority of English translations, the distinctive Hebrew name for God (usually transliterated Jehovah or Yahweh), is in this translation represented by “LORD.” When Adonai, normally translated “Lord,” is followed by Yahweh, the combination is rendered by the phrase “Sovereign LORD.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Holman Christian Standard Bible - Preface[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"The Tetragrammaton occurs 6,828 times in the Hebrew Bible. Nearly all English versions follow the ancient tradition of rendering the Divine name as “the Lord.” The King James Version makes only four exceptions (Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, and Isaiah 26:4), where it renders the name as “Jehovah.” The first edition of the HCSB used “Yahweh” seventy-five times, and the 2009 revision increased the number to 476, although the ordinary rendering continues to be “the Lord.” One of the editors of the version has explained why the version uses “Yahweh” in the places where it does: We use it as the rendering of YHWH (which the Hebrew Bible editors first rendered as Adonai, “Lord”) whenever God’s “name” is being given (either explicitly, using the word “name,” or implicitly), when He is being identified (“I am Yahweh”), when He is being contrasted to other gods such as Baal, in certain repeated phrases such as “Yahweh the God of your fathers,” or when YHWH has been rendered by Yahweh in the immediate context. … our objective is to introduce to the contemporary church what is the most likely pronunciation of the divine name YHWH in the Hebrew Bible. We did not render the majority of occurrences of YHWH as Yahweh because our goal is not only to be accurate but to use an English style that is most familiar to people. Since most Christians today probably do not commonly speak of “Yahweh,” but rather of “the Lord,” we felt it would be insensitive to use Yahweh for YHWH in every case and would make the Bible seem too uncomfortable for most people."

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Shamah · Mar 11, 2018

PS said:

There we go you have spoken.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 16:19-21, "O YHWH, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles will come to You from the ends of the earth, and will say: Surely our fathers have inherited nothing but lies and vanity of no use at all! Do men make gods for themselves? Yes, but they are powerless! Therefore behold, I will make them to know--this time I will teach them My power and might; and they will know that My Name is YHWH!" [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Kings 18:24, "Then you call on the name of your god, Baal (the Lord), and I will call on the Name of YHWH. It will be the Mighty One Who answers with fire--He is the Mighty One. All the people responded, and said; What you say is right."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isayah 53, "Who has believed our report? To whom is the arm of YHWH revealed? For He will grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground. He has no form nor comeliness; and when we see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him. He is despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by YHWH, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to his own way; and YHWH has laid on Him the iniquity o us all. He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so He opened not His mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment, and who will declare His generation? For He was cut of from the land of the living; for the transgressions of My people He was stricken. And He made His grave with the wicked, and with the rich in His death; but He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth. Yet His bruises; (willful sacrifice), pleased YHWH; for He was put to much grief. Now He has brought the offering for sin. He will see His seed, He will prolong days, and the pleasure of YHWH will succeed in His hands. He will see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied; by His knowledge My righteous Servant will justify many, for He will bear their iniquities. Therefore, I will divide Him a portion with the great, and He will divide the plunder with the strong; because He poured out His soul to death, and He was numbered with the transgressors; and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."[/FONT]

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Shamah · Mar 11, 2018

MarcR said:

PS said:

So Marc what was that about not jumping down peoples throats before one knows what is going on?

PS · Mar 11, 2018

Names are given by people to identify one god from another. The true God does not need a name, there IS only 1 God.

Going back to Moses, God is very capable of destroying the wicked as we can see from the flood, plagues, Sodom and Gomorrah for example. It is not our place to kill people in the name of a fake god, we see too much of it today. All that will happen is that the killers will end up in Hell and that is not God's wish for anyone. God does not want us to kill anyone. See the 6th Commandment.

Shamah · Mar 11, 2018

PS said:

You say He doesnt need a name, He says He has a name:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isayah 42:8, "I am YHWH, that is MY NAME; and My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 3:12, "He who overcomes, I will make a pillar in The House of My Father, and he will never go out of it. And I will write upon him the Name of My Father, and the Name of the New Yerusalem which comes down out of heaven from My Father, newly named."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 103:1, "Bless You YHWH, O our souls! And all that is within us bless Your holy Name!"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 105:1, "Give thanks to YHWH! Call upon His Name! Make known what He has done among the nations!"[/FONT]

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MarcR · Mar 11, 2018

PS said:

the simple example is Moses who was commanded by the LORD not to kill and straight afterwards God tells him to do the very opposite.

Moses was given the commandment Ex 20:13
Thou shalt not kill. לֹ֑א תִּֿרְצָ֑ח which is used here, means thou shalt not murder. Thou shalt not kill would be written לֹ֑א מִתֶן ;which is NOT used.

Eloheym, written אֱלֹהִ֑ים is used to refer to God and Never used to refer to gods. In Ps 82:6 we find אֱלֹהִ֣ים used to mean mighty.

GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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