The Rapture

[Endoscopy]

Hi,

It seems like you hold to the 4 theories, but don't believe in the complete accuracy of any of them.

I agree that someone who sets a date is probably going to be wrong. I believe that the Bible doesn't give a date for the rapt/resur., but does give the circumstances of the events leading to Jesus coming for the kingdom. (Rev 11:15)

For example, if someone believed that Jesus was coming for the kingdom at the 7th trumpet, then we can look at the events at the 6th trumpet for evidence of the circumstances. Then identifying the characters and entities, we can relate them to our present situation or not.

One part of the problem that people have is that they enter into study with preconceived ideas. They are mostly drawn from the 4 theories that are popular. I mean that when a person begins to study, they have to start some where.

Preterists want to jam everything into a 70 ad finish. They want to eliminate everything beyond 70 ad.

This theory hides the Roman iron nation after 70 ad saying that Nero was the beast. This is RCC teaching also.

Pretrib's want to eliminate the same time period, 70 ad - present, saying there is a "gap".

This also hides the iron legs/toes Roman dragon beast nation, after 70 ad - present. There is no gap in the legs/toes of the statue of Dan. 2.

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These preconceived ideas that there is nothing after 70 ad. or that there is a gap, cause many passages to be twisted to meet the standards of the principal that was wrong to begin with.

There is no gap in the prophetic time line. The trumpets tell the story of Israel the broken branches after 70 ad. And there is no gap in the 70 wks of Daniel.





This is another example. The idea that the AoD did not happen in 37-70 ad is to take the event out of the time frame context.

You agree that Matt 24 is about the 70 ad destruction, but then want to pull the event out of context and place it in a future from here time line, to agree with the 7 yr pre-trib theory. But the AoD did happen then, that is one reason that Jerusalem was destroyed.

In Daniel, the 69th week BEGINS when Jesus comes to begin His ministry, 30 ad., confirming the covenant between God and Israel. In the middle of the week Jesus dies, 69 1/2. Israel rejects the gospel Pentecost kingdom after 3 1/2 years, ENDING the 70 weeks, 37 ad.

The AoD happens within this time frame context. So in order for the AoD to happen, the context of the coming of Jesus and His ministry would have to happen again. In the context of the entire chapter, the 70 ad destruction is clearly seen, and that would have to happen again also.

Basically, pretrib is saying that everything that happened in the 30-70 ad time period must happen exactly the same, with the same events and characters and then have ANOTHER AoD.

That is why they believe that the temple must be rebuilt. This leads to things like believing that Jesus can't come for the kingdom until the temple is rebuilt, so man can control when Jesus comes and the by building the temple or not building it, and the Antichrist also.




But then that would fulfill the passages about the temple destruction in 70 ad. Why would you think that the AoD which is intertwined with the destruction in those passages did not happen? Jerusalem was destroyed. Just because some one said that you cannot prove that it did? Well, prove that it DID NOT happen! According to the context of the fulfilled prophecies IT DID!

You misunderstand what I stated. There are 4 seperate Biblical views of eschatology that theologians for centuries have studied and found them all Biblical. The issue is that Daniel and Revelation are written with a lot of symbolism. Daniel also states the book is closed until the end times. Certain prophecies require a new temple. Jews getting back Israel was the first step in that direction. They are now trying to figure out where the original temple stood. The problem they have is Jesus prophecied that not one stone would stand on another. Josephus records he watched as the order of Titus was carried out. He stated that if he had not watched it he wouldn't know where the temple was. Total eradication. The Jews will have a problem there. The stones were used for other purposes.

 

[abcdef]

You misunderstand what I stated. There are 4 seperate Biblical views of eschatology that theologians for centuries have studied and found them all Biblical.

They all may be "Biblical", but since they contradict each other in basic teachings, they cannot all be correct.

The issue is that Daniel and Revelation are written with a lot of symbolism.

The symbols are identified in the OT most of the time. Some want to make the symbols themselves literal instead of understanding the implied entities or events.

Daniel also states the book is closed until the end times.

That statement only applies to the last vision shown in the book. The end times began on Pentecost.

Certain prophecies require a new temple.

This is not true. If it were, we could prevent Jesus from returning by just not building a temple, and the Antichrist also. Men could control when Jesus comes for the kingdom.

Jews getting back Israel was the first step in that direction.

Jerusalem, they were restored to military control of Jerusalem. That ended the ToG's.

They are now trying to figure out where the original temple stood. The problem they have is Jesus prophecied that not one stone would stand on another. Josephus records he watched as the order of Titus was carried out. He stated that if he had not watched it he wouldn't know where the temple was. Total eradication. The Jews will have a problem there. The stones were used for other purposes.

It doesn't matter if the temple is rebuilt or not. It is not required to be rebuilt before the return of Jesus for the kingdom. And the AoD already happened.

This teaching hides the Antichrist who has been the iron legs/toes for centuries. (no gap)

Pre trib says that the Antichrist has not been revealed yet, but that is NOT TRUE!

He is Caesar and the Bishop of Rome (BoR). The legs are continual with no gap. It can ONLY be Rome.

Pretrib and preterists both are hiding the Antichrist. He has been here all along. Rome attacking Israel.

Who were the iron legs 2000 yrs ago? Rome.

Who was the iron legs 500 yrs ago? Rome.

Who is the iron right now? Rome.

No Gaps !!!!!!!

 

[PlainWord]

You ignore what most theologians think of the time Revelation was written. Also if he just delayed releasing it he would have modified it to take into account the recent happenings about possible events being part of the prophecy. I was well aware of where he was and why when he wrote it. Nothing changes the fact that it is an eschatologyical book. Therefore about the end times not current events.

No I didn't ignore what most theologians think. I explained that every last one of them who believe in a later writing of Revelation (95-96 AD) ALL get it from this one paragraph from a second century French Christian who wasn't there, wasn't born before John died thus never spoke to John, rather he once met a prodigy of John (Polycarp) some 35 years earlier. Polycarp in all of his writings never discusses the time Revelation was written.

Modified it over recent events? What recent events during Irenaeus life have anything to do with 70 AD events? There would be nothing to add. However, if you read back a few paragraphs from where he discusses Domitian, you'll see it's all about the identity of the antichrist who came.

Revelation is an historical book. All events were fulfilled soon after they were foretold. Revelation matches exactly, the events at the time all the way up to Chapter 20.

 

[PlainWord]

It's not our doctrine that is false. Yours is plain SCREWY! To teach that the Wrath of God has already been poured out in the Tribulation Period of the Siege of Jerusalem in 70AD is FALSE! Also Revelation is Just not about Jerusalem. It's about the whole world of men being punished by God. That is the Tribulation Period of Revelation. I don't know where you get that this has already occurred because we would then be living in the 1000 year period of Christ's reign. When Jesus returns, ALL mankind will know it.

You are simply regurgitating things we were taught growing up in American churches. I can show you a dozen passages that state Christ reigns from heaven. Show me one where He clearly is sitting in a man-made temple reigning from earth. The "new Jerusalem" is in Heaven. Paul says so in Gal 4. The new temple is spiritual. This is taught in a dozen places by Christ and Paul.

Let me assure you, Christ is not furiously angry with the descendants of those who pierced Him thousands of years later, He was angry with those actively involved. Every last Jewish priest was killed by the end of 70 AD.

On the fifth day afterward, the priests that were pined with the famine came down, and when they were brought to Titus by the guards, they begged for their lives; but he replied, that the time of pardon was over as to them, and that this very holy house, on whose account only they could justly hope to be preserved, was destroyed; and that it was agreeable to their office that priests should perish with the house itself to which they belonged. So he ordered them to be put to death. - Josephus

This is where I break with most other preterists. I do see a few things post 70 AD in the Bible. I also see far more literal fulfillment of the things in Revelation. While written with incredible figurative language, actual literal fulfillment can be found for all of it.

When Jesus returned, it doesn't say ALL MANKIND. Every eye could be, all eyes within sight of Him, all eyes in Israel, etc. "Every" does not mean all mankind. If I say, "This November, everyone needs to get out and vote," am I speaking to all mankind on the entire planet, or just Americans or just my town if I'm running for the School Board?

Christ is/was the King of the Jews, right? God, is/was the "God of the Jews." It is physically impossibly for the entire 360 degree planet to see a singular person in the sky at the same time.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

Look at the NT at every instance where Christ was angry and you will see a member of the Jewish religious order and/or those doing their bidding. [SUB][SUP]


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[Endoscopy]

They all may be "Biblical", but since they contradict each other in basic teachings, they cannot all be correct.




The symbols are identified in the OT most of the time. Some want to make the symbols themselves literal instead of understanding the implied entities or events.




That statement only applies to the last vision shown in the book. The end times began on Pentecost.




This is not true. If it were, we could prevent Jesus from returning by just not building a temple, and the Antichrist also. Men could control when Jesus comes for the kingdom.




Jerusalem, they were restored to military control of Jerusalem. That ended the ToG's.




It doesn't matter if the temple is rebuilt or not. It is not required to be rebuilt before the return of Jesus for the kingdom. And the AoD already happened.

This teaching hides the Antichrist who has been the iron legs/toes for centuries. (no gap)

Pre trib says that the Antichrist has not been revealed yet, but that is NOT TRUE!

He is Caesar and the Bishop of Rome (BoR). The legs are continual with no gap. It can ONLY be Rome.

Pretrib and preterists both are hiding the Antichrist. He has been here all along. Rome attacking Israel.

Who were the iron legs 2000 yrs ago? Rome.

Who was the iron legs 500 yrs ago? Rome.

Who is the iron right now? Rome.

No Gaps !!!!!!!

Why do you try to change the meaning of what I said. At this point in time NO ONE knows what the prophecies mean. I already said that the statue is known because of the history since it was written. Trying to add the Catholic Church to the statue is ridiculous. The statue is about great and powerful civilations. Your hate filled bias is showing through. The rest of Daniel and Revelation are closed until the end times.

 

[Endoscopy]

No I didn't ignore what most theologians think. I explained that every last one of them who believe in a later writing of Revelation (95-96 AD) ALL get it from this one paragraph from a second century French Christian who wasn't there, wasn't born before John died thus never spoke to John, rather he once met a prodigy of John (Polycarp) some 35 years earlier. Polycarp in all of his writings never discusses the time Revelation was written.

Modified it over recent events? What recent events during Irenaeus life have anything to do with 70 AD events? There would be nothing to add. However, if you read back a few paragraphs from where he discusses Domitian, you'll see it's all about the identity of the antichrist who came.

Revelation is an historical book. All events were fulfilled soon after they were foretold. Revelation matches exactly, the events at the time all the way up to Chapter 20.

Pure foolishness. Where is Jesus on the throne here on earth as prophecied? When did the rapture occur so Christians wouldn't have to live through the tribulation that if not stopped would wipe out all life? Where is all of the devastation?

So much for Revelation being history.

 

[Locutus]

So much for Revelation being history.

The problem with most eschatologies is failure to correctly the whore of Babylon as 1st century apostate Israel/Jerusalem.

To build an eschatology on any other identity will lead to confusion, error and contradiction.

 

[MarcR]

They all may be "Biblical", but since they contradict each other in basic teachings, they cannot all be correct.




The symbols are identified in the OT most of the time. Some want to make the symbols themselves literal instead of understanding the implied entities or events.




That statement only applies to the last vision shown in the book. The end times began on Pentecost.




This is not true. If it were, we could prevent Jesus from returning by just not building a temple, and the Antichrist also. Men could control when Jesus comes for the kingdom.




Jerusalem, they were restored to military control of Jerusalem. That ended the ToG's.




It doesn't matter if the temple is rebuilt or not. It is not required to be rebuilt before the return of Jesus for the kingdom. And the AoD already happened.

This teaching hides the Antichrist who has been the iron legs/toes for centuries. (no gap)

Pre trib says that the Antichrist has not been revealed yet, but that is NOT TRUE!

He is Caesar and the Bishop of Rome (BoR). The legs are continual with no gap. It can ONLY be Rome.

Pretrib and preterists both are hiding the Antichrist. He has been here all along. Rome attacking Israel.

Who were the iron legs 2000 yrs ago? Rome.

Who was the iron legs 500 yrs ago? Rome.

Who is the iron right now? Rome.

No Gaps !!!!!!!

The end times began on Pentecost. The end times began on 11/17/1947 when the U.N. ended the British mandate in Palestine and national Israel back into existence.

Matt 24:32-34
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
KJV



The fig tree throughout both Scripture and secular Jewish literature is and has been a figure of Israel.
In verse 34, this generation refers to the generation that witnesses the restoration of Israel.

 

[Endoscopy]

The problem with most eschatologies is failure to correctly the whore of Babylon as 1st century apostate Israel/Jerusalem.

To build an eschatology on any other identity will lead to confusion, error and contradiction.

I have read several theories about who the whore is. It goes from the Catholic Church taken over by secular evil pope and other top level leaders to a new church created for that purpose. The reason for the name whore is to identify it as a false church. Keep in mind that eschatology means future end times events not historical events.

 

[SpoonJuly]

The end times began on Pentecost. The end times began on 11/17/1947 when the U.N. ended the British mandate in Palestine and national Israel back into existence.

Matt 24:32-34
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
KJV



The fig tree throughout both Scripture and secular Jewish literature is and has been a figure of Israel.
In verse 34, this generation refers to the generation that witnesses the restoration of Israel.

Amen. Why is it more can not see this?

 

[SpoonJuly]

I have read several theories about who the whore is. It goes from the Catholic Church taken over by secular evil pope and other top level leaders to a new church created for that purpose. The reason for the name whore is to identify it as a false church. Keep in mind that eschatology means future end times events not historical events.

If you will look at the identifying traits given in Scripture, It is not any religious organization, but a nation.

 

[Endoscopy]

The problem with most eschatologies is failure to correctly the whore of Babylon as 1st century apostate Israel/Jerusalem.

To build an eschatology on any other identity will lead to confusion, error and contradiction.

I have read several theories about who the whore is. It goes from the Catholic Church taken over by secular evil pope and other top level leaders to a new church created for that purpose. The reason for the name whore is to identify it as a false church. Keep in mind that eschatology means future end times events not historical events.

Matthew 24 14 and 15
14 And this good news of the kingdom (the Gospel) will be preached throughout the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then will come the end.
15 So when you see the appalling sacrilege [the abomination that astonishes and makes desolate], spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the Holy Place—let the reader take notice and ponder and consider and heed [this]—

This is caused by the Whore of Babylon. The Holy Place is the temple that needs to be built.

 

[Locutus]

The end times began on Pentecost. The end times began on 11/17/1947 when the U.N. ended the British mandate in Palestine and national Israel back into existence.

Matt 24:32-34
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
KJV



The fig tree throughout both Scripture and secular Jewish literature is and has been a figure of Israel.
In verse 34, this generation refers to the generation that witnesses the restoration of Israel.

Amen. Why is it more can not see this?

You are both seeing what is not stated - Jesus is speaking to the generation that heard him.

And we know that it was the generation that Jesus lived in because Luke gives the specific time for it:

Luke 21:20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.

Luke 21:32 “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place.

It should be more than obvious that Luke and Matt are speaking of the same generation that would not pass away.

We don't have a "this generation passing" away twice - one in Luke in the 1st century when Jerusalem was surrounded by the armies resulting in it's destruction and one nearly two thousand years later in Matthew.

Get real people.

 

[tanakh]

The problem with most eschatologies is failure to correctly the whore of Babylon as 1st century apostate Israel/Jerusalem.

To build an eschatology on any other identity will lead to confusion, error and contradiction.

The failure to recognize this put me in mind of the old Elephant in the Room saying. I suspect many have recognized this but are too nervous to come straight out with it

 

[Ahwatukee]

The failure to recognize this put me in mind of the old Elephant in the Room saying. I suspect many have recognized this but are too nervous to come straight out with it

Good day tanakh and Locutus,

I can guarantee you "through scripture" that Mystery, Babylon, the woman who rides the beast, is not represented by Israel/Jerusalem, as demonstrated below:

Mystery Babylon = Destroyed during the last 3 1/2 years of the seven year period, so much so that no one will ever inhabit her again:

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With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again.

The music of harpists and musicians, pipers and trumpeters, will never be heard in you again.

No worker of any trade will ever be found in you again.

The sound of a millstone will never be heard in you again.

The light of a lamp will never shine in you again.

The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in you again.

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According to the scripture, Mystery, Babylon, the woman who rides the beast, is completely destroyed so that no one will ever inhabit this city again. This cannot be Israel/Jerusalem for the following reason:

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When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

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So, as you can see from the scripture above, after Satan is released from the Abyss at the end of the thousand years, his army surrounds the camp of God's people, the city that He loves, which could be none other than Jerusalem demonstrating that it will indeed be inhabited during and all the way to the end of the millennial period, where in opposition, Mystery Babylon, the woman who rides the beast, which is that city that sits on seven hills, is completely destroyed so that no one will inhabit that city ever again, ergo, Israel/Jerusalem cannot be representing that city.

What Elephant?

 

[MattG]

I have a friend who doesn't even believe in the bible, He actually talks really bad about Jesus Christ you guys probably wouldn't even be able to handle him, then again what do I know.

He said something really interesting the other day, about 1000 years.

He said Rome couldn't even last past 1000 years, before it caved in and fell... even though it is still intact

Idk why I find his remark so interesting I guess just cause of how many times it goes around in a place like this, and how many times its said in the revelation.

Maybe it is useless information but I love my friend no matter how much He bad talks our Lord and Saviour, he'll come around one day.
[HR][/HR]Either way I still believe that rapture, end times, and coming back of Jesus Christ has already came back...

Because I use to want Him to come back, and destory the world and the people I was around when I was very early in my christian life...

Which when I thought this way, the reality would be that Jesus Christ would come back get us, and the world would be destoryed and whatever...

All this does is just keep people from being able to keep living on this world, and living together, and finding God, and Jesus Christ...

This is not what God wants... I'm glad I was able to be taught, and learned contextually that Jesus Christ was going to return, and I believe the end times, rapture, and coming back of Jesus Christ has happened.


All that time I wanted Jesus Christ to come back, when really He was with me all along, I just didn't see the reality of Him being with me, while i was waiting, when He was already there...

How amazing, and I don't care if people critize me for my belief, even in real life, if they say well I don't believe you I'm like well that is okay and that is fine with me, we can still be friends and love each other regardless of the difference in the way we see things.

Bless those who curse you, or point at you saying YOURE WRONG.

 

[Ahwatukee]

He said Rome couldn't even last past 1000 years, before it caved in and fell... even though it is still intact

Idk why I find his remark so interesting I guess just cause of how many times it goes around in a place like this, and how many times its said in the revelation.

Well, your friend is not taking into consideration that Rome is a human nation, where the millennial kingdom will be physically ruled by the Lord. God is the One causes nations to flourish and fall. Therefore, where Rome couldn't last for a thousand years, the Lord's millennial kingdom will and forever more in the new heaven and new earth and new Jerusalem.

 

[Ahwatukee]

All that time I wanted Jesus Christ to come back, when really He was with me all along, I just didn't see the reality of Him being with me, while i was waiting, when He was already there...

There is a big different between Christ dwelling in us, opposed to his literal promise to return and gather his church. While believers are on the earth, the Spirit of Christ is indeed within us, but He also promised to come and get us to take us back to the Father's house. All you're doing is spiritualizing it. To be clear, Christ dwelling in believers is not the same as His promise to physically gather the church and remove them from the earth.

How amazing, and I don't care if people critize me for my belief, even in real life, if they say well I don't believe you I'm like well that is okay and that is fine with me, we can still be friends and love each other regardless of the difference in the way we see things.

We contend with you because your teaching is not according to scripture. It's called false teaching and which can mislead others who are reading your claims. And false teaching is detrimental to ones salvation. You can say "Lord, Lord" all you want, but if you are not believing in the true Lord and are teaching another gospel, you are not in Christ. I told you what Paul said about those who where teaching that the resurrection had already taken place. He said that what they were teaching was godless chatter which would spread like gangrene and that they had wandered away from the truth. Well you are doing the same exact thing by claiming that all end-time events have already taken place, including the resurrection of the church and this is what you are not understanding. You just keep floating on your spiritual cloud strumming your harp saying "love, love, love ....." You're blind and don't even know it.

 

[SpoonJuly]

There is a big different between Christ dwelling in us, opposed to his literal promise to return and gather his church. While believers are on the earth, the Spirit of Christ is indeed within us, but He also promised to come and get us to take us back to the Father's house. All you're doing is spiritualizing it. To be clear, Christ dwelling in believers is not the same as His promise to physically gather the church and remove them from the earth.



We contend with you because your teaching is not according to scripture. It's called false teaching and which can mislead others who are reading your claims. And false teaching is detrimental to ones salvation. You can say "Lord, Lord" all you want, but if you are not believing in the true Lord and are teaching another gospel, you are not in Christ. I told you what Paul said about those who where teaching that the resurrection had already taken place. He said that what they were teaching was godless chatter which would spread like gangrene and that they had wandered away from the truth. Well you are doing the same exact thing by claiming that all end-time events have already taken place, including the resurrection of the church and this is what you are not understanding. You just keep floating on your spiritual cloud strumming your harp saying "love, love, love ....." You're blind and don't even know it.

Not understanding the details of the gathering and the seconding coming of Jesus has nothing to do with one's salvation.
Even untrue teaching about end time events has nothing to do with one's salvation.
You do not have all the details correct, so you to might be called a false teacher by your definition.

 

[garee]

The end times began on Pentecost. The end times began on 11/17/1947 when the U.N. ended the British mandate in Palestine and national Israel back into existence.

Matt 24:32-34
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
KJV



The fig tree throughout both Scripture and secular Jewish literature is and has been a figure of Israel.
In verse 34, this generation refers to the generation that witnesses the restoration of Israel.

Leaves represent the temporal healing of the nations as common grace.not salvation as in eternal life this is revealed through the scriptures. Not the secular Jewish literature as oral traditions of men.

I don’t think the scriptures are written is respect to the political nations of this world .The veil is rent, the time period that God temporally used the flesh of one nation seen (a Jew)has been reformed the time of reformation in Hebrews 9 confesses the veil is rent, the beginning of the last days .

1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth notthat Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The Jews used as shadows in various parables were used up until that time. The last days marked the Jew as a restless wander that would not accept the gospel in regard to the temporal flesh of Christ. They are typified as antichrists. There temporal flesh likes that of Christ profits for nothing.

The generation is respect to the seed (spiritual) Christ.....one not many as the flesh . It shows the beginning of the use of a nation as a shadow in aparbles up untill the time of refomation..

Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

The genealogy ended there.....not 1948 . 1948 represent my birth year which has nothing to do with the faith that comes from hearing Christ. Not hearing the Jews who deny he has come.

Luke as the generation of Adam as to seeds (many) natural uncovered man goes back to the garden .Christs calls the generation of Adam the evil generation that does not walk by faith (Christ's) but rather seeks after a sign and wonders gospel

The two generation we are to concern ourselves with I believe.

And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,Luk 3:23

Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.,Luk 3:38