GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[LoveGodForever]

If you kindle fire you break the command of God dear, and if you drive your car you kindle fire

Hello Jackson,

Who is kindling a fire? Where does it say that if you drive a car? You do not know God's Word and it will keep you out of God's KINGDOM because you reject the scriptures sent to help you. If your lamp has gone out how can you see the road when it is dark and narrow?

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11).

ALL who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN WILL be LOST and NOT Enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Dan_473]

Yes, because the preachers who had been teaching the people for centuries had "omitted the weightier matters of the Law", like Mercy that the Law and Prophets taught, Judgment, that the Law and Prophets taught, and Faith, that the Law and Prophets taught.

I'm not sure why it is so important for you to neglect these truths. But I have made my case, you disagree "Not from scriptural evidence", but because "you see".

I can live with that.

Thanks for the discussion.

i don't believe I'm neglecting justice mercy and faith
i focus on those

we both see the same evidence but our perceptions are affected by our personalities

just like Luke and John were both inspired by the same holy spirit but their Greek vocabulary is very different

 

[lightbearer]

sas you were meticulously shown by posthuman how the 613 were put in to enforce the Law of Moses , you close you eyes because you cannot accept that the New testament , is different than the old.

The 613 were not mandated by GOD they were compiled by man. They were not put in place to enforce the Law of Moses but to enforce what the compilers thought were the Law of GOD, from the Book of the Law (Moses). Moses never had any Laws mandated, GOD did.

Posthuman never meticulously showed anything. All he did was post the 613 Mitzvah and ask whether they were from GOD under the pretense that they were all GOD's commandments. They are not, they are a compilation of an interpretation from men what are laws extrapolated from the Pentateuch. They are nothing more than a ancient commentary from men.

Originally Posted by posthuman

well, you are right in one thing, that it only takes a little study.

below they are listed along with the scripture ((authored by the God of Abraham)) where they are written:
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1. To know that G-d exists (Ex. 20:2; Deut. 5:6) (CCA1). See What Do Jews Believe?.

That is a misinterpretation of what GOD ordained as LAW. The Commandment from GOD is, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
Verse 2 is an indicative expression, not a LAW to be obeyed. Notice nothing is being commanded. "I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."
(Exo 20:2-3 KJV)

The 613 mitzvah are an interpretation of what is Written. Some of them are GOD ordained laws, some are not.

They are a summary from a group of men not GOD.

That is just one; shall we continue through all the 613?

 

[Dan_473]

I must go with what the scriptures teach, not men who Jesus specifically warned of. I don't believe Jesus "Corrected" God, rather, the mainstream preachers of His day.

You are free to make your claim that He did correct His Father, and not the Pharisees as the scripture indicate. I have shared what the scriptures say, I can do no more. We discussed, I made a case, and you disagree. I can live with that.

i don't believe Jesus corrected his father

it's like this

John 16: 12. "I have yet many things to tell you, but you can't bear them now. 13. However when he, the Spirit of truth, has come, he will guide you into all truth

the spirit doesn't correct what Jesus taught

rather, expands on

 

[lightbearer]

Jesus is not preaching different from the God of the ot

he is expanding, showing what God really meant

Amen! Then you keep the Sabbath because that is what Jesus did and still does through them that love Him and protect, guard and keep the New Hearts to which He gave them through GOD's Spirit.

 

[lightbearer]

i don't believe Jesus corrected his father

it's like this

John 16: 12. "I have yet many things to tell you, but you can't bear them now. 13. However when he, the Spirit of truth, has come, he will guide you into all truth

the spirit doesn't correct what Jesus taught

rather, expands on

Jesus did not expand or expound on anything in the manner to which you speak.

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
(Joh 14:10 KJV)

 

[Dan_473]

A yoke is the connection point between a beast of burden and a tool that needs to be pulled: i.e. plow ,rake, cultivator, wagon, etc.

The rabbis who wrote the Babylonian Talmud referred to that Talmud as the 'yoke of Torah'.

Jesus, referring to the additional burdens that the rabbis added to the Law as the 'yoke of Torah'; said take My yoke upon you for My yoke is easy and my burden is light.

In saying this Jesus is in effect saying that my requirements are much less than those of the pharisees.

Jesus inspired Paul to write that Jesus' yoke does NOT involve the Law [including the 10 commandments] at all.

that makes a lot of sense


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posted from my phone, blessings!

 

[Dan_473]

Amen! Then you keep the Sabbath because that is what Jesus did and still does through them that love Him and protect, guard and keep the New Hearts to which He gave them through GOD's Spirit.

Jesus also went to the temple, something we don't do

we don't do everything Jesus did

rather, we walk by the spirit as Jesus did

 

[Dan_473]

Jesus did not expand or expound on anything in the manner to which you speak.

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
(Joh 14:10 KJV)

i think he expanded on what was given to the prophets centuries earlier

 

[Dan_473]

i see it this way

could the Israel (and the world) at the time of the judges have received the teachings that Jesus brought to
the Galilee of the Greco Roman world?

no, but Jesus came at just the right time

 

[lightbearer]

Jesus also went to the temple, something we don't do

we don't do everything Jesus did

rather, we walk by the spirit as Jesus did

If you walk by the Spirit you keep the Sabbath. The Decalogue and all the Word pertaining to righteousness is now in our hearts, minds and mouths that we do it.

The Word is manifested in our flesh through Christ. We are new creature created in Christ Jesus. He was the first among many brethren. As HE is so are we in this world.

The Temple and the services pertaining to it were done away with in Christ. We through Him, through God are the Temple of the Living GOD here on this Earth and He in Heaven. Through the vale; that is to say His flesh.

 

[PS]

As I said, when you can explain how you eat Jesus Flesh, in order to get to heaven, then I am willing to discuss the spiritual intent of stoning sinners to death.

It is symbolic. The wine represents Christ's shed blood and the bread represents Christ's body. We do it in remembrance of His death and resurrection. Neither is it necessary for our salvation, which depends on our faith in Him.

Whether a persons faith in Jesus is fully correct or not is a moot point.

 

[Dan_473]

hi Studyman,

yes, breaking it down into smaller posts did help. thanks

and thank you too for the discussion

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posted from my phone, blessings!

 

[Dan_473]

If you walk by the Spirit you keep the Sabbath. The Decalogue and all the Word pertaining to righteousness is now in our hearts, minds and mouths that we do it.

The Word is manifested in our flesh through Christ. We are new creature created in Christ Jesus. He was the first among many brethren. As HE is so are we in this world.

The Temple and the services pertaining to it were done away with in Christ. We through Him, through God are the Temple of the Living GOD here on this Earth and He in Heaven. Through the vale; that is to say His flesh.

i see it differently

if we are led by the Spirit, we are not under the law.

 

[Studyman]

not "spiritual intent"

literal, corporeal execution resulting in physical death.

does the Law demand this, yes or no?

Did Jesus command you to eat His Flesh and drink His Blood before you can go to heaven?

 

[lightbearer]

A yoke is the connection point between a beast of burden and a tool that needs to be pulled: i.e. plow ,rake, cultivator, wagon, etc.

The rabbis who wrote the Babylonian Talmud referred to that Talmud as the 'yoke of Torah'.

Jesus, referring to the additional burdens that the rabbis added to the Law as the 'yoke of Torah'; said take My yoke upon you for My yoke is easy and my burden is light.

In saying this Jesus is in effect saying that my requirements are much less than those of the pharisees.

Amen.

Jesus inspired Paul to write that Jesus' yoke does NOT involve the Law [including the 10 commandments] at all.

No He didn't. The Word; that which is written that pertains to righteousness is in our hearts and in our mouths that we do it. And that would include the Decalogue.

The yoke was removed. We are a new creature; behold all things are new and of GOD. As HE is so are we in this world. It is no longer at matter of Commandment; as if we have to struggle to obey. It is who we are through Christ.

 

[PS]

i see it differently

if we are led by the Spirit, we are not under the law.

I agree.

If we are led by the Holy Spirit we will gather together on the day the "HOLY SPIRIT" came upon the apostles and other followers of Jesus Christ while they were in Jerusalem celebrating the Feast of Weeks, the seventh Sunday (50 days) after Easter, as described in the Acts of the Apostles (Acts 2:1–31).

God bless.

 

[lightbearer]

if we are led by the Spirit, we are not under the law.

You are right we are not under the law We are the law; the word through Christ; through it being instilled in our hearts, minds and mouth that we do it. So it is now not a question of obeying an outside commandment but simply doing according to which we are through Christ.

 

[PS]

Amen.

No He didn't. The Word; that which is written that pertains to righteousness is in our hearts and in our mouths that we do it. And that would include the Decalogue.

The yoke was removed. We are a new creature; behold all things are new and of GOD. As HE is so are we in this world. It is no longer at matter of Commandment; as if we have to struggle to obey. It is who we are through Christ.

The yoke was removed.....meditate on this.

 

[PS]

Did Jesus command you to eat His Flesh and drink His Blood before you can go to heaven?

Rather than shed doubt of the teaching of Jesus, it would be better if you examined yourself and not Jesus.