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A trip to the grave will solve the sin issue if repenting is not in the cards.
Job:14:14-17:
If a man die,
shall he live again?
all the days of my appointed time will I wait,
till my change come.
Thou shalt call,
and I will answer thee:
thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.
For now thou numberest my steps:
dost thou not watch over my sin?
My transgression is sealed up in a bag,
and thou sewest up mine iniquity.
Job:14:14-17:
If a man die,
shall he live again?
all the days of my appointed time will I wait,
till my change come.
Thou shalt call,
and I will answer thee:
thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.
For now thou numberest my steps:
dost thou not watch over my sin?
My transgression is sealed up in a bag,
and thou sewest up mine iniquity.
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I think I agree here, He did crush them, and everyone who thought that they could get to heaven by how good they are. But setting the standard at a point that is unattainable (actually the law did that,. But they did not get it/.
But I know there is a BUT coming
Aww, I should have known. You know all about me, even though you never met me, and based on one post. You know exactly what I think.. Whatever dude, Your not God, You know nothing about me,
And your wrong. Paul placed as much value on living in the spirit and obedience that Christ did, However, Unlike you, They place obedience in perspective, as Jesus was trying to do in this passage, in which you missed the point completely.
Well I do not know. Only Jesus righteousness ever exceeded theirs,. Because if anyone’s ever did, They would not need the cross. They have saved themselves. I guess jesus died for those of us who could not make that great leap?
Here is the fact. Moses demanded by God (and paul confirmed this in Gal 3) that according to the law. We have to CONFIRM every word of the law (every jot and tittle you could say) and OBEY every word, ore else you are under a curse.
If you sinned once, You failed to live up to the standard as set by God, James confirmed this when he said we can live our whole lives and obey every word to the letter. But if we fail in one point, we are guilty of the whole law.
Have you lived up to Gods standard? If you sinned once, You failed. Good luck trying to remove the curse from yourself.
1. Being saved is about having the curse of the law removed so we can get to heaven, Because we have sinned and fall short. Your talking about sanctification, which is not the topic of this thread.
2. John said whoever has been born of God can not sin, whoever sins has never seen or known God. But that is not the point of this thread. This thread is about those trying to save themselves by producing works worthy of earning Gods gift of eternal life (you can not earn a gift by the way, It is freely given, paid for by the giver. In Christianity, the term used for our debt being paid is redemption. He redeemed us from the curse of the law having become a curse for us.
But I know there is a BUT coming
Aww, I should have known. You know all about me, even though you never met me, and based on one post. You know exactly what I think.. Whatever dude, Your not God, You know nothing about me,
And your wrong. Paul placed as much value on living in the spirit and obedience that Christ did, However, Unlike you, They place obedience in perspective, as Jesus was trying to do in this passage, in which you missed the point completely.
Well I do not know. Only Jesus righteousness ever exceeded theirs,. Because if anyone’s ever did, They would not need the cross. They have saved themselves. I guess jesus died for those of us who could not make that great leap?
Here is the fact. Moses demanded by God (and paul confirmed this in Gal 3) that according to the law. We have to CONFIRM every word of the law (every jot and tittle you could say) and OBEY every word, ore else you are under a curse.
If you sinned once, You failed to live up to the standard as set by God, James confirmed this when he said we can live our whole lives and obey every word to the letter. But if we fail in one point, we are guilty of the whole law.
Have you lived up to Gods standard? If you sinned once, You failed. Good luck trying to remove the curse from yourself.
1. Being saved is about having the curse of the law removed so we can get to heaven, Because we have sinned and fall short. Your talking about sanctification, which is not the topic of this thread.
2. John said whoever has been born of God can not sin, whoever sins has never seen or known God. But that is not the point of this thread. This thread is about those trying to save themselves by producing works worthy of earning Gods gift of eternal life (you can not earn a gift by the way, It is freely given, paid for by the giver. In Christianity, the term used for our debt being paid is redemption. He redeemed us from the curse of the law having become a curse for us.