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His command. Believe-obedience to the gospel message which all mankind must do, receive His Spirit.


"23This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. 24The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us."-1 John 3:23-24

It's like you people do not even know what the Bible says.
 
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"23This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. 24The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us."-1 John 3:23-24

It's like you people do not even know what the Bible says.
we know what it says....He that believes on the SON is having everlasting life. And before you post some working for you have to keep yourself in the faith to remain saved....

Jesus is the BEGINNER and FINISHER of my FAITH....HE will COMPLETE that work of faith he started...he does not need my help like your Jesus does.....

and what's up with this "YOU PEOPLE".........you know how that sounds?
 

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You people hey.......Jesus said OUR words will determine if we are saved....not obeying the commandments (law) <--was designed to prove guilt NOT make righteous.....NO ONE KEEPS THE LAW or ALL of the commandments without failing at some point....more works vanilla twist dogma....very subtle.....
New International Version 1984 Romans 8:4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

I BELIEVE YOU DON"T BELONG TO THE "US" WHO ARE NOT WALKING ACCORDING TO THE SINFUL NATURE.
 
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New International Version 1984 Romans 8:4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

I BELIEVE YOU DON"T BELONG TO THE "US" WHO ARE NOT WALKING ACCORDING TO THE SINFUL NATURE.
So what...your not my judge.....and by your doctrine I can say the same thing if I so choose.....

faith PLUS works for or to keep salvation = not saved according to PAUL....
 
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To be born of the flesh is flesh with water in the womb, but to be born of water and spirit is to be born from above, which is spiritual.
And we know who has the new birth by if they obey God's commands.


"you know that everyone also who practices righteousness is born of Him."-1 John 3:29


"And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also."-1 John 4:21


"everyone who loves is born of God and knows God."-1 John 4:7


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anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
"-1 John 3:10

 

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So what...your not my judge.....and by your doctrine I can say the same thing if I so choose.....

faith PLUS works for or to keep salvation = not saved according to PAUL....
Proverbs 11:2-3 When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom. The integrity of the upright guides them, but the unfaithful are destroyed by their duplicity.
 
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we know what it says....He that believes on the SON is having everlasting life. And before you post some working for you have to keep yourself in the faith to remain saved....

Jesus is the BEGINNER and FINISHER of my FAITH....HE will COMPLETE that work of faith he started...he does not need my help like your Jesus does.....
What does once saved always saved have to do with this?

If you do not have a changed life to go along with your profession of faith you are not born again for the once saved always saved argument to even matter.



and what's up with this "YOU PEOPLE".........you know how that sounds?
Yes, you people who can't see the plain words of John in front of your noses. It's amazing.

And don't claim you can see them because then you will be condemning yourself for twisting them to mean something else and not believing them.
 
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BillG, I see you're on.

I will answer your recent post to me. Just not tonight. Monday nights are for lounging.
 
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Proverbs 11:2-3 When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom. The integrity of the upright guides them, but the unfaithful are destroyed by their duplicity.
This proves nothing....other than you can cut and paste scripture.....I can do the same thing....how about the following and those who boast in works instead of Christ...........

"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles? "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
 
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It is not a posted rule, but creating a new account after being banned is prohibited.
Then it's not a rule. But I suppose a moderator is free to do anything that isn't a written rule.

That being true, let's leave it to the mods to decide if LHL is someone who has come back after being banned and should be called out for it.



If CC finds you return after being banned the next step is an IP ban.
How can a mod know if a spouse or other family member is also posting from the same IP? I realized that happens the hard way in another forum. A woman misunderstood something I said to her, and another man posting in the forum got involved. Turns out they were married. Never would have guessed.
 
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Let us see whom can endure God's word, whom can "accept" God's word...
HebrewsChp.9 verses 11-14(KJV)
But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
For if the blood of bulls and of goats,and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Who is that shall "deny" Jesus as the "only" acceptable sacrifice to God?
Who shall "ignore" God's word?
Whom shall hate his son yet say they serve God?
Whom is it that values their works above Jesus's?
Whom can humble their heart to God?
Whom need not twist God's word but instead stand upon it?
Whom actually "fears" God?
 
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What does once saved always saved have to do with this?

If you do not have a changed life to go along with your profession of faith you are not born again for the once saved always saved argument to even matter.



Yes, you people who can't see the plain words of John in front of your noses. It's amazing.

And don't claim you can see them because then you will be condemning yourself for twisting them to mean something else and not believing them.
The fact that you ask such a question speaks volumes to the fact that you do not understand which we already know by the losable salvation that you peddle........

What is more amazing is the fact that you throw Jesus under the bus by saying that he cannot finish what he started, is to weak and inept to complete what he starts and needs your help to keep you saved....and beyond that it is even more ridiculous that you openly say that you do not have salvation until the end when JESUS sees your works when Greek verb tense, verses in Context and the very bible condemns this fallacy....now that reeks of one who cannot see.....
 
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I said Catholic dogma<---a works based vanilla café blend gospel.....do you believe works are part of the equation for salvation...to gain or keep it?
Do you teach, promote, preach and practice obedience to God’s Word which includes His Laws, commandments, teachings and instructions?

If I do as Jesus did, do you call me a catholic or a works salvationist or a sinless perfectionist? I am proud to walk as Jesus did. If I only claim to have faith but don’t practice that faith, i’m a liar, a hypocrite and the truth is not in me.

1 John 1:6-7 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

Matthew 23:2-3 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

Do you practice what you preach and your faith?

James 2:22-24 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

Many scriptures would prove that salvation is not by faith alone but as it is written;

Titus 1:15-16 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.

Only dead faith cannot save but faith that works in Love is the kind of faith that by God's grace would save.

So let us teach OBEDIENCE as Jesus did and instructed us to do and be the true children of God who serves and obeys His commands through Christ Jesus our Lord.

Hebrews 5:7-10 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.

Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
 

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You say we don't have two natures, Ralph.

Once again.....

"That makes no sense when John says those born again will not, nor can, sin.

And Paul goes into great depth about the two natures in Romans 7:

"I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good.As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing.Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it." (verses 15-20)"

I am not going to allow you to run away from this. I'm not going to let the thread progress until it's buried. I'm going to keep posting it until you answer it. If we don't have two natures, why does Paul keep talking about his sinful nature and the sin that is living IN him?


 
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Then it's not a rule. But I suppose a moderator is free to do anything that isn't a written rule.

That being true, let's leave it to the mods to decide if LHL is someone who has come back after being banned and should be called out for it.



How can a mod know if a spouse or other family member is also posting from the same IP? I realized that happens the hard way in another forum. A woman misunderstood something I said to her, and another man posting in the forum got involved. Turns out they were married. Never would have guessed.
I'm not discussing any individuals ban. I have no idea who is even being discussed. Just relating a fact.
Also a rule doesn't have to be written to be a rule.

As I said the Second step is an IP ban, they first step is a profile deletion and/or ban.
Giving another person that Hasn't broken a rule is the reason IP bans are not given first. But the site will protect itself from a repeat trouble maker, even if an innocent has to pay.
 

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"23This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. 24The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us."-1 John 3:23-24

It's like you people do not even know what the Bible says.
Unless we are born from above, we will not enter heaven. It's a command.

Heres another command.



Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Every word....

Now if you think you are same as a Jew, to whom the commandments were given, then you will think word means the law, including the 10.

Problem is though, Word is not logos. Its rhema.

[h=1]G4487[/h]ῥῆμα
rhēma
hray'-mah
From G4483; an utterance (individually, collectively or specifically); by implication a matter or topic (especially of narration, command or dispute); with a negative naught whatever: - + evil, + nothing, saying, word.
Total KJV occurrences: 70

comes from the root rheo.


[h=1]G4483[/h]ῥέω
rheō
hreh'-o
For certain tenses of which a prolonged form (ἐρέω ereō) is used; and both as alternate for G2036; perhaps akin (or identical) with G4482 (through the idea of pouring forth); to utter, that is, speak or say: - command, make, say, speak (of). Compare G3004.
Total KJV occurrences: 26

This comes to the members of the body of Christ. Call it our marching orders. We have Holy Spirit within instructing us. The commands from the Head.
We will also get prophetic words from,prophets confirming what we hear.

The Jews never had this with God, so they had the logos Word, written words to follow. Even the prophets and others inspired to write never had what we have.

The Divine Nature is within us. All that we need for life and godliness given. The gift of Holy Spirit.

We are the Sons.

If you think you have to have a school master, then you need to check your status with God, because slaves (which is what the law creates) will not inherit the house. ( of God).

 

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Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Heres another command connected to being born again.
 
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This proves nothing....other than you can cut and paste scripture.....I can do the same thing....how about the following and those who boast in works instead of Christ...........

"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles? "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
This is for the ZOMBIES who call him Lord but do not do what He says.(luke 6:46) They love to boast about their faith void of works but come judgment day they will say that they have works but unfortunately God cannot be mocked and they will be rejected.

Galatians 6:7-8 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

Matthew 25:26-30 “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest. “‘Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
 

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This is for the ZOMBIES who call him Lord but do not do what He says.(luke 6:46) They love to boast about their faith void of works but come judgment day they will say that they have works but unfortunately God cannot be mocked and they will be rejected.
Do you do what he says? Please give examples.