GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[gb9]

God's Word is for those that have ears to hear and eyes to see. Those that love God's Word hear his Voice those that do not will not heat him. God's Sheep hear his voice and follow him because they are his sheep.. It is only the Word of God that can set you free. If you do not KNOW it then where will your freedom come from?

so, you think keeping the law and Sabbath is freedom. well, Paul said not to become entangled in the yoke of bondage ( the law ) in Galatians 5. just like John describing what Commands in His 1st letter, i'll go with Paul.

 

[gb9]

You can ignore the CONTEXT of 1 John 3 all you like it is between you and GOD. The CONTEXT is those that break God's Commandments commit SIN and the difference between God's Children and the Children of the Devil is that Gods Children are Obedient and the children of the devil commit SIN (Break God's Commandments) This is the Context (1 John 3:3-15) of 1 John 3:23. Now there is no need for confusion here. Let's look at the scriptures....

WHAT IS SIN??

POST # 4133 (You ignored and will not respond to the scriptures in the linked post).


VERSE BY VERSE CONTEXT COMPARISON OF 1 JOHN 3

POST # 4137 (You ignored the CONTEXT comparison 1 John 3 and will not respond to the scriptures in the linked post).



WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO LOVE IN 1 JOHN 3:23 ?

POST # 4138 (Once again ignoring the scritpures showing that if you LOVE God you will be obedient to him linked)


Yep a lot of scripture showing your interpretation of one scripture in NOT in CONTEXT and a lot of scripture that you have to ignore to hold on to your interpretation of God's Word in order to follow your traditions.

Disagree? Please respond to the scriptures in the posts above that disagree with you? If you cannot you should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls you in LOVE to LOVE another..

This is sad for you my friend, you do indeed deny God's WORD. Practicing SIN and only having a form of Godliness and denying the power thereof will keep you out of God's KINGDOM.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

I have answered this for you many times, you just ignore it.

let's talk about links. 1st John chapters 1 and 2 ( Bible books were not broken down into chapters and verses until 100's of years after the Bible was assembled ) links to John 3. in the first 2 chapters, John talked about keeping commands, then He proclaimed what the Commands were. how much more context do you need?

oh, and here is why you need to ' link " other yanked out of context with your own personal commentary written it verses- no Sabbath mentioned. so, since your fake religion can't have salvation without Sabbath, you have to find a way to force it into the text instead of simply reading and accepting the text.

 

[Dan_473]

Hi Johnny,

Nice to meet you and welcome here my friend.

We are ONLY SAVED by GRACE through FAITH and NOT of OURSELVES, it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT of WORKS lest ANYMAN should boast (Eph 2:8)

HOWEVER, If your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son. SIN which is breaking God's LAW (Romans 7:7; 3:20; James 2:8-11; 1 John 3:4) will keep all who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM (Hebrews 10:26-27; Romans 6:23)

If your tree has no FRUIT it will be cast down and thrown into the FIRE come judgement day (Matthew 7:12-23). Now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth NOT forth good fruit is CUT down, and cast into the fire (Matthew 3:10).

KNOWN SIN will keep all you practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

do you see salvation as kind of an on again off again kind of thing?

you're saved until you practice known sin
then you're unsaved til you repent
them saved again until known sin

 

[Budman]

God's Word is for those that have ears to hear and eyes to see. Those that love God's Word hear his Voice those that do not will not heat him. God's Sheep hear his voice and follow him because they are his sheep.. It is only the Word of God that can set you free. If you do not KNOW it then where will your freedom come from?

Just sayin'

If you want to be heard, loooooooong cut and pastes aren't going to gain you any readers. Keep it concise.

 

[Endoscopy]

Now MMD how can you know what the Gospel is if you do not KNOW what the Word of God is?

A rebuttal for your consideration..............

NEW TESTAMENT MEANING FOR LAW "NOMOS"

Generally the word used for law in the NEW Testament Greek meaning is "nomos" νόμος ;nomos ;nom'-os From a primary word νέμω nemō (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (through the idea of prescriptive usage), generally (regulation), specifically (of Moses [including the volume]; also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle): - law.

This word is used to cover all the OLD testament laws collectively that make up the OLD Covenant (TORAH) but it is the application of the word used in CONTEXT of the chapter and within scripture CONTEXT that determines its application and meaning.

The use of the term law (nomos) in the New Testament is comparable. In some instances the word law refers to the Old Covenant Scriptures, and the focus is on the Pentateuch: “the Law and the Prophets” (Matt. 5:17; 7:12; 22:40; Luke 16:16; 24:44; John 1:45; Acts 13:15; 24:14; 28:23; Rom. 3:21; Matt. 11:13).

In some texts “Law” alone seems to refer broadly to the Old Testament Scriptures (Matt. 22:36; Luke 10:26; John 7:49; 10:34; 12:34; 15:25; 1 Cor. 9:8–9; 14:21, 34; Gal. 4:21), though in some of these texts a particular precept from the Mosaic law may be in view as well (John 7:49; 1 Cor. 9:8–9; 14:34).

Nevertheless, in the New Testament, as we saw in the Old Testament, the term law most often refers to what is commanded in the Gods law (10 Commandments). Matthew speaks of every “iota” and “dot” of the law (Matt. 5:18), and it is clear from the next verse that he is referring here to the “commandments” found in the law (Matt. 5:19).

Elsewhere Matthew considers particular matters commanded in the law (Matt. 22:36; 23:23). Similarly, Luke often uses the word law to refer to what is prescribed in statutes (Luke 2:22, 23, 24, 27, 39; Acts 23:3) or uses the term to refer collectively to what is commanded in God's 10 Commandments (Acts 6:13; 7:53; 13:39; 15:5; 21:24; 22:3, 12; 25:8). Similarly, when John does not use the word law to refer to the Pentateuch or the Scriptures, he uses it to refer to the Mosaic law (John 7:19, 23, 51; 8:17; 19:7).

Paul regularly thinks of the law in terms of its commands, and this is evident because he speaks of those who sin by violating the law, of the need to do what the law says, and of relying upon and being instructed in the law (Rom. 2:17, 18, 20).

When Paul speaks of righteousness (Rom. 3:21; 9:31; 10:4; Gal. 2:21; 3:11; 5:4; Phil. 3:6, 9) or the inheritance (Rom. 4:13–14, 16; Gal. 3:18) not being attained via the law, he has in mind doing what the law commands.

The law is conceived of as a body of commands summarized in the Mosaic covenant, which came at a certain time in history (Rom. 5:13; 7:4, 6; 9:4; 1 Cor. 9:20, 21; 15:56; Gal. 2:19; 3:17, 19, 21), and the phrase “under law” fits here as well (Rom. 6:14, 15; 7:1; Gal. 3:23, 24; 4:4, 5; 5:18).

In the book of Hebrews the word law always refers to the Mosaic law for remission of sin and the levitical priesthoodand to the Mosaic covenant (Heb. 7:5, 11, 12, 19, 28; 8:4; 9:19, 22; 10:1, 8, 28), with the focus being on the prescriptions for priests and sacrifices that are offered.

The above is not exhaustive but show that it is the CONTEXT and application of the Greek word "nomos" that determines what law it is referring to wheather God's LAW (10 Commandments), the Mosaic laws individually or collectively as the Torah or OLD Covenant.

OLD TESTAMENT EQUIVALLENT FOR LAW GREEK WORD LAW (NOMOS) IS TORAH

The word for law in the Old Testament Hebrew is torah; in the Greek New Testament it is nomos. It is often said that torah in the Old Testament does not refer so much to commands (to the keeping of commandments) as it does to instruction (to teaching) of the five books of Moses (Genesis; Exodus; Leviticus; Deuteronomy and Numbers)

However in the Old Testament other descriptive words are used (e.g. Commandment(s); Statute(s); Ordinance(s); Testimony (ies) and Rule(s) to name a few) to separate the various laws of the Torah (collective) but once again like has been shown above the general word Torah can be used to refer to any one of the other words and it is the CONTEXT of application the determines the specific meaning

For example....

Verbs for Obedience

KEEP (Gen. 26:5; Deut. 17:19; 28:58; 31:12; Josh. 22:5; 1 Kings 2:3; 1 Chron. 22:12; Ps. 119:34, 44; Prov. 28:4; 29:18; Jer. 16:11; Ezek. 44:24) WALK IN (Exod. 16:4; 2 Kings 10:31; Ps. 78:10; Jer. 26:4; 32:23; 44:10; Dan. 9:10)
DO (Deut. 27:26; 29:29; 31:12; 32:46; Josh. 1:7–8) BREAK (Deut. 27:26; 29:29; 31:12; 32:46; Josh. 1:7–8) OBEY (Isaiah 42:24)

Verbs for Disobedience

FORGET (Hos 4:6; Ps. 119:61, 109, 153) TRANSGRESS (Dan 9:11 ) ABANDON (2 Chron 12:1) FORSAKEN ( Psalms 89:30; 119:53; Jer. 9:13) REJECT(S) (Isa 5:24; Jer 6:19; Amos 2:4)

SO NO MMD your application and argument is shown through the scriptures to be false.

The meaning of the word is generated through the CONTEXT of scripture application in the NEW Testament application of the Greek word used for law (nomos) as well as the OLD Testament use of the Hebrew word Torah and other Hebrew Words used to describe God's 10 Commandments.

Now if you disagree with my rebuttal please by all means do what I have done with you and go through my post and prove it is not true with scripture if you cannot you should believe God's WORD. Sin will keep all who KNOWINGLY practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW IT. UNBELIEVERS HAVE NO PART IN GOD'S KINGDOM.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

About the law I go with what jesus said about the 613 rules of the law in the Torah.
Matthew 5:13 to 20 NIV
Jesus saying he came to fulfill the law and the prophets.

Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.

14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Endoscopy]

Stupid 5 minute rule because of the sites problem with the SwiftKey keyboard.

 

[Roadkill]

WHAT IS SIN?

James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW

links to...........

1 John 3
4 Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.
John is in agreement with James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments)
Links to...........

Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known SIN, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

Links to............

Romans 3
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

Once again Paul is in agreement with John and James which all agree together that if we break any of God's LAW (10 commandments) we commit SIN because as James, John and Paul all agree together that SIN is breaking ANY of God's 10 commandments.

God's Word defines SIN in breaking God's LAW; Now that we have the definition of Sin from God’s WORD let’s connect some of the scriptures and look at the CONTEXT you have left out of your interpretation of 1 John 3:23 starting at the beginning of 1 John 3.

1 John 3
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him SIN<breaks God's LAW> not: whosoever SIN<breaks God's LAW> hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous <Psalms 119:172 All your commandments = RIGHTEOUSNESS>.
8, He that commits SIN<breaks God's LAW> is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God DOES NOT commit SIN<breaks God's LAW>; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot SIN<breaks God's LAW>, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
11, For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13, Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14, We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loves not his brother abides in death.
15, Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Some key points..........

v4. SIN = Breaking God's Commandments
v6. Those who knowingly break God's commandments do not know God
v7. Don't be DECEIVED only those who DO NOT break God's commandments are is RIGHTEOUS as HE IS RIGHTEOUS
v8. If you are living in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN you are following the DEVIL and not GOD (Acts 17:30-31; Heb 10:26:27)
v9. If you are BORN OF GOD you will NOT practice SIN
v10. LOVE AND OBEDIENCE to GOD'S LAW SHOW WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE and DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD'S LAW SHOW THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL
v15. Example of the 7th commandment (Exodus 20: 13) being broken. Those who brake God's LAW and SIN DO NOT have ETERNAL LIFE

Links to what Jesus says in Matthew..............

Matthew 7
21, Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; BUT HE THE DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER IN HEAVEN <FAITH THAT WORKS BY Love and OBEDIENCE>
22, Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23, And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU <1 John 3:6 = has not seen him or known him because they break God's LAW and practice SIN>: DEPART FROM ME YOU WHO WORK INIQUITY (SIN)

So once again it is very clear the CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23 is discussing the breaking of God's LAW (10 Commandments) even using the example of murder in v15. The same deinition of SIN which is breaking God's LAW (10 Commandments) is repeated by PAUL, JAMES AND JOHN who all agree that SIN is breaking GOD'S 10 Commandments.

SO in Summary NO my friend you leave out the CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23 which is talking about SIN which PAUL, JAMES and JOHN all agree is breaking GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments)

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

We are not saying man should abandon the Sabbath. What we are saying is that we don't have to have it on Saturday. Jesus never said what day of the week we should assemble.

Did you know that the Old Hebrew Calender was based on the New Moon? Did you know that The first month of their year was based off of the first new moon after the barley and flax opened? So they didn't even know when their Sabbaths were going to fall from year to year. Yet here you are trying to dictate exactly what day of the week to worship God on.

You swallow a camel and strain at a nat.

 

[Endoscopy]

We are not saying man should abandon the Sabbath. What we are saying is that we don't have to have it on Saturday. Jesus never said what day of the week we should assemble.

Did you know that the Old Hebrew Calender was based on the New Moon? Did you know that The first month of their year was based off of the first new moon after the barley and flax opened? So they didn't even know when their Sabbaths were going to fall from year to year. Yet here you are trying to dictate exactly what day of the week to worship God on.

You swallow a camel and strain at a nat.

That is what legalists do. It

 

[7777pinacled]

We are not saying man should abandon the Sabbath. What we are saying is that we don't have to have it on Saturday. Jesus never said what day of the week we should assemble.

Did you know that the Old Hebrew Calender was based on the New Moon? Did you know that The first month of their year was based off of the first new moon after the barley and flax opened? So they didn't even know when their Sabbaths were going to fall from year to year. Yet here you are trying to dictate exactly what day of the week to worship God on.

You swallow a camel and strain at a nat.

Halleluyah.

Love you and thankyou very much for speaking up.
Blessings Always,

 

[LoveGodForever]

Those who know Jesus do not need to be told to worship The King of King, The Lord of Lords. He is worthy to be worshipped. Rebel or ignore the Saviour of the World at your peril.

Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: (2Ti 2:8 KJV)

God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: (Act 13:23 KJV)

He shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. (Luk 1:33 KJV)

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. (Heb 1:8 KJV)

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. (1Jn 5:20 KJV)

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (Isa 9:6 KJV)

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1Ti 3:16 KJV)

Not sure what you are trying to say here but God's Sabbath is the 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments. It specifically says....

Exodus 20
8, Remember the SABBATH DAY , to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God : in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY : wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT

The Origin of the Sabbath is from the SEVENTH DAY of the CREATION WEEK BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD.

Genesis 2
1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and made it HOLY <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[LoveGodForever]

Halleluyah.Love you and thankyou very much for speaking up.
Blessings Always,

Speaking up for what? Against God's Word?

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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[LoveGodForever]

That is what legalists do. It

Did I ask you a what a legalist was?

 

[LoveGodForever]

We are not saying man should abandon the Sabbath. What we are saying is that we don't have to have it on Saturday. Jesus never said what day of the week we should assemble.

Why would Jesus need to tell anyone what day the the week the Sabbath was on when God's people had been keeping it on the correct day for thousands of years already? Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath according to the Commandment (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)

The Apostle also followed Jesus and kept the Sabbath as did Paul with both Jews and gentiles (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

Did you know that the Old Hebrew Calender was based on the New Moon? Did you know that The first month of their year was based off of the first new moon after the barley and flax opened? So they didn't even know when their Sabbaths were going to fall from year to year. Yet here you are trying to dictate exactly what day of the week to worship God on. You swallow a camel and strain at a nat.

You do know that there are only 7 days in the weekly cycle and the New MOON has nothing to do with the weekly cycle or the Sabbath? The new MOON is for years and seasons and was used to determine the dates of the Jewish annual festivals in the Old Covenant not the weekly Sabbath commandment which was every SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK.

You do not know the scriptures or the power of God. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Just sayin'
If you want to be heard, loooooooong cut and pastes aren't going to gain you any readers. Keep it concise.

Cutting and pasting scripture is to show all God's WORD. It is those who choose to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD that are his people. Those that do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD are not his people. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day. Men love darkness rather then light beceause they are not following him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE.

 

[LoveGodForever]

I have answered this for you many times, you just ignore it.

Actually no, this is only a lie. Please show me one post you have done the addresses the posts that you have ignored that dissagree with your interpretation of scripture and show you are using scripture out of Context?

let's talk about links. 1st John chapters 1 and 2 ( Bible books were not broken down into chapters and verses until 100's of years after the Bible was assembled ) links to John 3. in the first 2 chapters, John talked about keeping commands, then He proclaimed what the Commands were. how much more context do you need?

You have not been asked to talk about links. You have been asked to address the posts and the scriptures in them that disagree with your interpretation of one scripture and show your using scripture out of CONTEXT. I can understand you wish to talk about links as this is not discussing the scriptures and the content of the posts that the links are going to or discuss the within Chapter and Scripture CONTEXT that disagrees with you.

oh, and here is why you need to ' link " other yanked out of context with your own personal commentary written it verses- no Sabbath mentioned. so, since your fake religion can't have salvation without Sabbath, you have to find a way to force it into the text instead of simply reading and accepting the text.

And yet here you are still not able to adress the posts and the scriptures in them that disagree with you....

WHAT IS SIN??

POST # 4133 (You ignored and will not respond to the scriptures in the linked post).


VERSE BY VERSE CONTEXT COMPARISON OF 1 JOHN 3

POST # 4137 (You ignored the CONTEXT comparison 1 John 3 and will not respond to the scriptures in the linked post).


WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO LOVE IN 1 JOHN 3:23 ?

POST # 4138 (Once again ignoring the scritpures showing that if you LOVE God you will be obedient to him linked)

Up to you my friend you can choose to BELIEVE God or not. UNBELIEVERS have no part in God's KINGDOM

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[LoveGodForever]

so, you think keeping the law and Sabbath is freedom. well, Paul said not to become entangled in the yoke of bondage ( the law ) in Galatians 5. just like John describing what Commands in His 1st letter, i'll go with Paul.

KEEPING God's LAW is the freedom that Jesus promises those that are a slave to SIN. Jesus did not come to save the RIGHTEOUS but to lead SINNERS to REPENTANCE. They that be whole need not a Physician but they that are sick. Go learn what that means.

 

[lightbearer]

We are not saying man should abandon the Sabbath. What we are saying is that we don't have to have it on Saturday. Jesus never said what day of the week we should assemble.

Yes He did.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. Therefore:Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.
(Joh 1:1,3; Ex. 20:9-11)

Did you know that the Old Hebrew Calender was based on the New Moon? Did you know that The first month of their year was based off of the first new moon after the barley and flax opened? So they didn't even know when their Sabbaths were going to fall from year to year.

That did not affect the order of the days of the week. They have never changed. The Seventh day has always been the Seventh Day.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Yes He did.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. Therefore:Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.
(Joh 1:1,3; Ex. 20:9-11)


That did not affect the order of the days of the week. They have never changed. The Seventh day has always been the Seventh Day.

Actually great scripture LB. Jesus is the creator and the one who made the Sabbath for mankind and commanded us to keep it as a Holy day as a memorial of creation and that we worship the only true God of creation. Jesus.

Nice scirptures in John 1 thanks for sharing.

 

[MarcR]

Ellen White? Isn't she the one who said death was an illusion, and then she croaked?

Actually she croaked like a frog every time she spoke or wrote.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Actually she croaked like a frog every time she spoke or wrote.

Hi MarcR,

He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory. A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

For he whom God hath sent speaks the words of God and God gives his spirit to him who BELIEVES and FOLLOWS. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. These are the things that defile a man. Unless our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees we shall in no wise enter into the Kingdom that he has prepared for those that follow and love him.

Truly truly I say unto you unless a man is born again he shall in no wise enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. He that says I know him and keeps not his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him. He that commits sin is of the devil because he has neither seen him nor known him.

Do you know the scriptures quoted above MarcR? If you do, what do you think they mean?