Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

Galatians 1:6-7
No Other Gospel
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

Different

g2087. ἕτερος heteros; of uncertain affinity; (an-, the) other or different: — altered, else, next (day), one, (an-)other, some, strange.
AV (99) - another 43, other 42, other thing 3, some 2, next day 2, misc 7;
the other, another, otherto numberto number as opposed to some former person or thingthe other of two
to qualityanother: i.e. one not of the same nature, form, class, kind, different

Another.

g0243. ἄλλος allos; a primary word; “else,” i.e. different (in many applications): — more, one (another), (an-, some an-)other(-s, -wise).
AV (160) - other(s) 81, another 62, some 11, one 4, misc 2;
another, other

Why is DC wrong?

See this is what happens when you look things up!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Again,read your own post.
It easily translates another.
The other words used work also.
Dc said kjv got it wrong.
Pssst,that implies ANOTHER DOES NOT WORK.
....IT DOES

You really missed the point here.. You are way off in left field. YOu did not even understand what he meant.. Wowe. Just wow.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Does anyone but me understand the point DC was making about what Paul said?

the first “ means different or another” ie, one of two or another in type.

the second means another as in different in type. (Ie it is not another option.)

 

[stonesoffire]

You tout the first part of that verse while ignoring the last part. It says one born of God CANNOT SIN.

Do you still sin, Ralph?

Let me answer that as you would: "But..but...I don't make it a practice!"

How many sins attributed to us will damn us, Ralph?

Let me answer that for you: ONE. If you break one of Gods commandments, you are guilty of breaking them ALL.

Thank Jesus that every single sin has been paid for IN FULL.

So, what sins are you talking about, Ralph?



There isn't. If Jesus didn't pay for all sin, if you only sinned 1,000,000 in your life, you would be lost. If you sinned just one time, you would be just as lost.



Yet again, since you are a self-righteous hypocrite, you make no effort to see that you sin every single day. Day in, day out. Year after year, after year - and yet have the gall to say it's not "practice".

White washed tomb comes directly to mind.

good post...I just want to add one thing. ...you sin every single day. Day in, day out. Year after year, after year......because sin means to miss the mark. What mark? The mark of His glory. Sin is to fall short of His perfection. Not so much what we do, but what we are.

The remedy? Death.

oh, sorry I lied but didn't mean to. I have more.

God Himself puts us to death with His Son, then raises us up in His righteousness. Who would dare to touch this with human hands or feet? Works and walk for those who don't like symbols.

And then get this!!!!

He did this for all who have ever lived, being birthed now, and will be birthed!

The only requirement to obtain? Believe and receive!

Then? He gives us His own nature! Holy Spirit comes in the moment we are born from above. And He then empowers us to live for Him and even be a witness through this wonderful gift of Holy Spirit. Gifts given to enable and even to excel!

Who would dare to touch this! And who would dare accuse His anointed! That can be Jesus, saying He isn't enough! Or this can be His body, and saying they aren't enough.

God finished His work of creation, then rested. The benefits was paradise until the fall. Man
- out

Jesus has finished His work of the new creation, now rests in glory. The benefits? Paradise restored. Man- in.

Selah

not preaching to you budman. Just speaking out of my heart.

 

[dcontroversal]

Well......another day almost gone.........Jesus is still on his throne, his blood and imputed righteousness is still applied to my life by faith and anything I may have done today "good".....all glory goes to Christ because he is the one who has done the work through me as a living sacrifice......

I will always ------->point------->to--------->JESUS----->and------>his----->work----->his---->power------>his----->faith----->because------>HE------>alone----->deserves------->all------->the----->GLORY

 

[stonesoffire]

I hear a question about excelling. The only way we excel is by infilling. Anointing to do whatever.

We rest, until called, then in anointing we do.

 

[star]

Well......another day almost gone.........Jesus is still on his throne, his blood and imputed righteousness is still applied to my life by faith and anything I may have done today "good".....all glory goes to Christ because he is the one who has done the work through me as a living sacrifice......

I will always ------->point------->to--------->JESUS----->and------>his----->work----->his---->power------>his----->faith----->because------>HE------>alone----->deserves------->all------->the----->GLORY

Amen and amen. ditto for me

 

[Isny]

Well......another day almost gone.........Jesus is still on his throne, his blood and imputed righteousness is still applied to my life by faith and anything I may have done today "good".....all glory goes to Christ because he is the one who has done the work through me as a living sacrifice......

I will always ------->point------->to--------->JESUS----->and------>his----->work----->his---->power------>his----->faith----->because------>HE------>alone----->deserves------->all------->the----->GLORY

Just beautiful and so true! AMEN.

 

[ljs]

Ditto for me too , like my favourite song says
" In Christ Alone , my hope is found , he is my light , my strength , my song "

 

[BillG]

Pssst, another and different are basically the same.

WHICH IS BASICALLY VERIFIED IN BILLS POST.

You are not even seeing the point of WHY it COULD be either word.

I don't see why you insist they can't
(That is WHY you need to use bills example)
A neutral party. Might help. Maybe

Does anyone but me understand the point DC was making about what Paul said?

the first “ means different or another” ie, one of two or another in type.

the second means another as in different in type. (Ie it is not another option.)

For some reason I seem to be in the middle here and have no idea how.

But I do have to say heartfordavid acknowledges that another and different are basically the same. Even though the Greek used are two different words.

Maybe the issues are not the words.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

For some reason I seem to be in the middle here and have no idea how.

But I do have to say heartfordavid acknowledges that another and different are basically the same. Even though the Greek used are two different words.

Maybe the issues are not the words.

I see his point, his point is that another can be used for different, and I agree.

But that was nto the point DC was trying to make to begin with.

If youy say, anoth4er gospel. Which is not another. (Which was Heart’s argument) can you understand what is actually being spoken of? I think it would be hard. Thats why The greek helps

 

[stillness]

Just as the truth is hidden in parables, am of the impression that God also hid the truth in our different perceptions, in language with each of us knowing in part and seeing dimly until we all come in the unity of the Spirit to share and benefit from each other. Since we don't know God in our understanding and if we think we do we stop learning. This is when we become dogmatic and think we are saved in our understanding: I no longer see a difference between work and Grace, the first is the work of God and the second, His influence to work with Him in what he does. Also doesn't matter what people think, Jesus is big enough for us to believe and see differently from our different perspectives and meet us where we are. As mentioned it's not in understanding mysteries that we re saved, but by His spirit leading us in the truth: being born of God is Jesus in us and He does not sin, yet sin still dwells in us and if we look at the trouble we sink into it. But too those who are looking for Him, shall He appear the second time, without sin unto salvation."

 

[stonesoffire]

Ditto for me too , like my favourite song says
" In Christ Alone , my hope is found , he is my light , my strength , my song "

I thought of posting that song last night. Should of.

 

[BillG]

I see his point, his point is that another can be used for different, and I agree.

But that was nto the point DC was trying to make to begin with.

If youy say, anoth4er gospel. Which is not another. (Which was Heart’s argument) can you understand what is actually being spoken of? I think it would be hard. Thats why The greek helps

Still not sure the issue is the Greek.

 

[BillG]

Hey peeps.

You know what's coming next.

Night night, God bless you all, and remember God loves us as much as he loves Jesus.

 

[ElAmor]

again you lie....she did not say you can live in sin.....here let us break it down for all to see your deception

DOES NOT HAVE GOOD WORKS <--ABIGAIL

LIVE IN SIN <---YOUR accusation

A 1st grader can understand the difference and the fact that you are not being honest and saying she said something that SHE DID NOT SAY.....you must really be dense....

New International Version 1984 James 4:17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins.

Hebrews 10:26-27 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

 

[ElAmor]

Which "church" are you challenging? Not THE CHURCH, the body of Christ (Colossians 1:18,24). A 'believer" is not described as one who practices sin (1 John 3:9-10) and uses grace as a license to sin.

1 Corinthians 5:9-13 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”

 

[star]

Any action which goes against God's rules/commandments/character is sin.

Makes no difference how big, little. Sin is sin.

We will never be able to do enough works to cover up sin. It didn't work in the OT and it will not work in the NT.

Through the mercy and grace and compassion of our Creator - God - we can still be reconciled to Him through that free gift of salvation which comes the Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[star]

There is only one sin which will keep us out of heaven - unbelief -

 

[ElAmor]

Once again Ralph, you lie. You lie about this over and over and over again. You would think by now you would have some shame, especially regarding what you demand of others.

READ THIS AND DON"T YOU EVER LIE ABOUT ME AGAIN: Grace is not a license to sin! We should live a life pleasing to the Lord, not out of obligation, but from a grateful heart. Where we differ is our works have nothing to do with salvation. That was settled at Calvary. Works justify us before men, and are the basis of rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ - period!

We will continue to sin because we still have the "old man" to contend with - the old nature. But God, as any loving Father would, chastens His children. He corrects us - sometimes harshly. Even to the point of taking us home.

BUT WE CAN NEVER BE LOST!

My works have nothing to do with justification, i bring all glory to God the Father and Jesus our Lord. But after receiving the promised Holy Spirit through Faith ( galatians 3:14 ), works have a lot to do about my salvation because I am a part of the body of the Savior who said that if i have Faith, i will do ( john 14:12 ) and not just say and claim ( 1 john1:1-10 ). And even before going to the Father He has left us with these instructions;

Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

"Once saved, Always saved" and "Faith alone without works saves" doesn't only promote sin but also rejects God's Word including His laws and commandments and even the power of the Holy Spirit, trampling all of them under foot.

The Holy Spirit will never lead a believer to sin, not even to desire what the sinful nature desires.

The one who is truly led by the Holy Spirit will not teach contrary to what the Spirit is teaching them.

The Spirit teaches them to Love and Obey God ,

1 John 5:1-3 Faith in the Son of God Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,

And Jesus said;

John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.

Matthew 19:17,26 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”