The Rapture

[Ahwatukee]

I've always thought we are at the end of the revelation. We are human and even though we study we cannot always fully understand the scriptures.

Greetings CeCe0000,

In order to be at the end of Revelation, we would have had to experience God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which will decimate the majority of the population and dismantle all human government. Daniel and Jesus said that this time period will be the worst time in history and never to be equaled again. It will be so bad that Jesus said, "If those days had not been shortened, no one would be left alive." Therefore, we could not possibly have gone through any of those events mentioned.

If you would like to get an idea of who horrific and chaotic that time period is going to be, you are welcome to go and visit my blog covering the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Just click on "Christian Blogs" on the top of the screen, then click on "Members Blogs" and then on the left look for and click on "Ahwatukee." I have been going through the seals, trumpets and bowls to demonstrate their severity for those who would have the church being protected on the earth during the time of God's wrath, opposed to the Lord keeping his promise to keep us out of that hour of trial, as well as the scriptures that state that believers are not appointed to suffer God's wrath and the that Jesus rescues us from God's coming wrath.


I hope that you will give it a look.

 

[Endoscopy]

I believe you are correct. That wall is not part of the temple

I traveled to Israel for business and one time took my wife. We visited that wall. Jews write messages on thin paper and stick them in the wall. To the left there is an opening in a building and a table and chairs are used by some rabbis.

 

[Endoscopy]

On the other side of the wall there is a courtyard with two Muslim buildings. The one has a roof over a rock sticking up through the courtyard. There is bannister going around the rock. One corner has the posts by a corner broken off. Muslim women who want to get pregnant go through the holes in the barrister with their back brushing against the rock. This is the supposed site where Abraham was supposed to sacrisacr Isaac. About a hundred feet or so there is a mosque called Dome of the Rock. This courtyard is where the temple was. To rebuild the temple there the muslims would go bonkers. Both sites would be destroyed. There are caves under this courtyard and Muslims don't want Jews going in them but can't keep the rabbis out. What was found is kept secret but rumoru galore.

 

[louis]

"You are adding to Scriptures" is foolish talk. I am drawing valid, logical conclusions from Scripture which you are resisting because you yourself are locked into "man made dogmas". Kindly tell us which temple Paul was speaking about in 2 Thessalonians?

When the little horn (aka the antichrist) stands in the holy place where he ought not stand, so that the end result is him wonderfully destroying the holy people through peace and prosperity (Daniel 8:24-25); where he will be standing is in the temple of the hearts of the holy people where the Lord and Holy Spirit dwell (1 Corinthians 3:16; 1 Corinthians 6:19; Acts 17:24).

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Daniel 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Ephesians 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

 

[louis]

The Western wall is not a part of the temple itself but an outer wall of the temple complex. The temple was completely destroyed just as The Lord prophesied.

So the Lord didn't mean an outer wall of the temple complex would be cast down?
I on the other hand believe Daniel 8:17 & 19 which states that the he-goat and little horn (aka the abomination of desolation) who will destroy much of the Middle East, including Jerusalem, are end time events, and not a 70 AD event, which would condradict those scriptures.

 

[tanakh]

The remaining wall is believed to be part of the Antonia fortress built by the Romans. Most of first century Jerusalem was flattened by Rome during the two Jewish wars. What we see now dates from the fourth century

 

[louis]

The remaining wall is believed to be part of the Antonia fortress built by the Romans. Most of first century Jerusalem was flattened by Rome during the two Jewish wars. What we see now dates from the fourth century

This is the first time I have heard that it is believed to be built by the Romans, whereas I have heard numerous times, and even seen a documentary claiming it to be part of the old temple structure.

Additionally, the primary reason why the 70 AD destruction of the Jerusalem is not the destruction caused by the abomination is because in Daniel 8:17 & 19 the angel informs Daniel that the events shown him about the he-goat and the little horn (aka the abomination of desolation) regard the end times, and as such indicate, the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place where he ought not stand, are in the end times, and not in 70 AD. Do you concur, or do you deny these events regard the end times?

 

[Nehemiah6]

... where he will be standing is in the temple of the hearts of the holy people where the Lord and Holy Spirit dwell...

Can you see THE ABSURDITY of this idea? The Antichrist -- indeed Satan -- enters into the hearts of all God's people even though the Holy Spirit dwells within! More foolish talk instead of trying to understand what Scripture reveals. And stringing together a bunch of unrelated Scriptures to prove your point simply compounds the error.

 

[Roadkill]

By the way, it wasn't Disciple Dave that said he had spoken with an Angel. It was me.

 

[Nehemiah6]

What I can't handle is egotistical people spouting that theologians that for centuries have looked at eschatology and have found 4 seperate Biblical views and then along comes fools...

The fools are those who idolize theologians and drink their Kool-Aid. Theologians from the past (and even the present) have been DEAD WRONG about many Bible doctrines. The truth is found in Scripture, comparing Scripture with Scripture, and rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

 

[Nehemiah6]

By the way, it wasn't Disciple Dave that said he had spoken with an Angel. It was me.

Was it Gabriel, and did he give you some new revelations?

 

[Ahwatukee]

Good day Louis,

When the little horn (aka the antichrist) stands in the holy place where he ought not stand, so that the end result is him wonderfully destroying the holy people through peace and prosperity (Daniel 8:24-25); where he will be standing is in the temple of the hearts of the holy people where the Lord and Holy Spirit dwell (1 Corinthians 3:16; 1 Corinthians 6:19; Acts 17:24).

First of all, you added "in the temple 'of hearts' " to the scripture, when it doesn't say that. There is nothing in the context of 2 Thes.2:4 that would lead the reader to apply a figurative meaning regarding the antichrist standing in the temple, as he will literally stand in the temple proclaiming himself to be God or anything that is called God or worshiped. To attempt to make him standing in the "temple of the heart" is pure conjecture and unfounded. I've heard this teaching many times, which comes from preterism. They do everything that can to spiritualize scripture because they believe that all end-time events have already taken place, which is completely absurd, because we are currently seeing the stage being set for those last day events. Preterism and amillennialism are to the most deceiving false teachings out there.

My advise to you, is to get away from those teachings and get back to the word of God as the source of all truth.

 

[Ahwatukee]

By the way, it wasn't Disciple Dave that said he had spoken with an Angel. It was me.

It was also DiscipleDave, for he also has claimed that God spoke to him. The only difference is that the claims that he was making were/are in contradiction to the word of God. Therefore we could already tell that they were not true. The problem with his and your claim, is that you would be the only people in the world to receive these teachings which are not written in the word of God, which means that there is no way for us to check that information to see if what you are saying is true.

In a previous post you said that God told you that on May 18th that the first brick was going to be laid for the building of the temple and I plan I calling you on. For when that day comes and goes without a brick being laid for the ground-breaking of the new temple, it will then make you a false prophet. When God says something it happens. If someone says that God told him such and such and it doesn't happen, then God has not spoken to that person. This is how in the OT saints they were to determine whether a prophet truly of God or false. So, come May 18 2018, we will all be watching regarding your prophecy.

 

[louis]

Can you see THE ABSURDITY of this idea? The Antichrist -- indeed Satan -- enters into the hearts of all God's people even though the Holy Spirit dwells within! More foolish talk instead of trying to understand what Scripture reveals. And stringing together a bunch of unrelated Scriptures to prove your point simply compounds the error.

I quote scriptures to support my perspective, what do you do, other than deny the scriptures I posted?

 

[louis]

Good day Louis,



First of all, you added "in the temple 'of hearts' " to the scripture, when it doesn't say that. There is nothing in the context of 2 Thes.2:4 that would lead the reader to apply a figurative meaning regarding the antichrist standing in the temple, as he will literally stand in the temple proclaiming himself to be God or anything that is called God or worshiped. To attempt to make him standing in the "temple of the heart" is pure conjecture and unfounded. I've heard this teaching many times, which comes from preterism. They do everything that can to spiritualize scripture because they believe that all end-time events have already taken place, which is completely absurd, because we are currently seeing the stage being set for those last day events. Preterism and amillennialism are to the most deceiving false teachings out there.

My advise to you, is to get away from those teachings and get back to the word of God as the source of all truth.

This is why I posted all the other scriptures indicating the faithful in Christ are the temple of God.
So if you wish to believe that the holy place is some stone and mortar edifice and not the saints, that is your perogative, but it is contrary to the scriptures I posted indicating otherwise.


Ephesians 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

 

[louis]

Good day Louis,



First of all, you added "in the temple 'of hearts' " to the scripture, when it doesn't say that. There is nothing in the context of 2 Thes.2:4 that would lead the reader to apply a figurative meaning regarding the antichrist standing in the temple, as he will literally stand in the temple proclaiming himself to be God or anything that is called God or worshiped. To attempt to make him standing in the "temple of the heart" is pure conjecture and unfounded.

How do you think the little horn wonderfully destroys the saints through peace and prosperity, if he will not be standing in our hearts? Off to lunch...

Daniel 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Question for you sir. 1st John chapter 4 verses 1-3, why is this here in the Bible? If you get a chance to present this to an Angel of God and he passes is what he tells you valid? If what he tells you does not contradict the Bible but is not in the Bible what do you do with the information he has told you? I have had such opportunity and I have info on Revelation chapter 12 and the rapture but can get very few people to receive it because of their faith. Simply put, If it's not specifically in the Bible they don't want to hear it. But the news I have is simply Marvelouse!

If it is not in the word of God, then there is no way to prove it, Period! It would mean that everyone in the world would have to take your word on it. This reminds me of how cults are started, with one guy claiming that God speaks directly to him and that everyone should follow him and believe what he says. One of the of the purposes of God's word is that we can tell those who are in agreement with the word of God and who isn't. God gave us all the information of end-time events that He wanted us to know and had it written down. I don't know who you spoke with, but it was not an angel of God.

 

[Endoscopy]

The fools are those who idolize theologians and drink their Kool-Aid. Theologians from the past (and even the present) have been DEAD WRONG about many Bible doctrines. The truth is found in Scripture, comparing Scripture with Scripture, and rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

I have studied eschaeschatological scripture off and on since I was in my late teens. I am 73 now. Since then was taught it in classes for church officers in three different churches (moved twice). The huge insurmountable problem is the symbolism of Daniel and Revelation Keep in mind that Daniel says it remains hidden until the end times when the actions are plain to see. Therefore I must reject any claim to understand what the Bible says is hidden.

 

[Roadkill]

It was also DiscipleDave, for he also has claimed that God spoke to him. The only difference is that the claims that he was making were/are in contradiction to the word of God. Therefore we could already tell that they were not true. The problem with his and your claim, is that you would be the only people in the world to receive these teachings which are not written in the word of God, which means that there is no way for us to check that information to see if what you are saying is true.

In a previous post you said that God told you that on May 18th that the first brick was going to be laid for the building of the temple and I plan I calling you on. For when that day comes and goes without a brick being laid for the ground-breaking of the new temple, it will then make you a false prophet. When God says something it happens. If someone says that God told him such and such and it doesn't happen, then God has not spoken to that person. This is how in the OT saints they were to determine whether a prophet truly of God or false. So, come May 18 2018, we will all be watching regarding your prophecy.

I did not write May 18th, knuckle head. Get it right. I wrote in May of 2018 that they would break ground for the Temple Mount. It's going to be right beside the Al-Aqsa Mosque. It is politically impossible for me to know this at this time.

Disciple Dave said he spoke to God in his Dreams.

So who died and said you were the one who says they speak to God or an Angel or not? Curious to see what you say when you stand before God.

Agreed that prophets of God were 100 percent correct on their prophecies. That is not what I'm claiming to be. I am no prophet. I'm not worthy of that classification. I have opportunity to speak with a Cherubim Angel. I do not speak or see God or have visions which I see God or Jesus or the Holy Ghost.

True enough if this does not occur in May of 2018 then it is not from God the Father and take everything I've written and flush it down the drain. Just get it right. Remember, it will take 40 years for Israel to complete the Temple and not until the last brick is Laid will God recognize Israel as a country again.

Again this Angel was tested with 1st John chapter 4 verses 1-3. He passed.

I've got some more info for you guys but we'll wait and see what happens in May of 2018 before I put it out there.

 

[Roadkill]

If it is not in the word of God, then there is no way to prove it, Period! It would mean that everyone in the world would have to take your word on it. This reminds me of how cults are started, with one guy claiming that God speaks directly to him and that everyone should follow him and believe what he says. One of the of the purposes of God's word is that we can tell those who are in agreement with the word of God and who isn't. God gave us all the information of end-time events that He wanted us to know and had it written down. I don't know who you spoke with, but it was not an angel of God.

God told Daniel that there would be more revealed as the end times approached. Do you speak for God the Father? Don't discredit until May lest you prove to struggle against God.