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WHAT HAPPENED TO THE THREAD CHARACTERISTICS? It shoved all of my sentences together including the quotes from the Bible.
 
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WHAT HAPPENED TO THE THREAD CHARACTERISTICS? It shoved all of my sentences together including the quotes from the Bible.
There was a glitch of "Fun" programming should be normal soon lol!
 
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Why then are you so concerned with solomons temple?

Like i said, luciferians worship solomons temple., and they are marked by their own mouths confessing an oath.


a person can gnaw and gnash all they like while being escorted out.
What are you even talking about...serious.....go back thru the thread....I have made like three to five comments about the temple and 2 to 3 of them were in reply to your foolishness.....your accusations are unfounded and to be quite frank getting old.....
 

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Faith in the Cross of the blood sacrifice before Father. James was written before Paul's gospel. According to some. I believe this to be true.
Then explain James 2:14 to 26 to me.

James 2

Faith and Deeds
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[e] and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
 
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What are you even talking about...serious.....go back thru the thread....I have made like three to five comments about the temple and 2 to 3 of them were in reply to your foolishness.....your accusations are unfounded and to be quite frank getting old.....
Matthew 5:10-12
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

this guy has been out of line all day


just another high nosed finger pointer


777's ramblings are seen as such
 

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The WHOLE Bible on a particular topic needs to be read and understood. Leaving out James 2 leaves faith alone but James 2 is part of the Bible!!!
 
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What are you even talking about...serious.....go back thru the thread....I have made like three to five comments about the temple and 2 to 3 of them were in reply to your foolishness.....your accusations are unfounded and to be quite frank getting old.....
Integrity,
selfcontrol and fruits of the Spirit.
davids decree
I know also, my God, that you test the heart and take pleasure in integrity. As for myself, I have given all these things willingly, in the integrity of my heart; and now, with joy, I have seen your people who are present here give willingly to you. 18 Adonai, God of
Avraham,
Yitz’chak and
Yisra’yl
our ancestors, guard forever the inclinations of the thoughts in the hearts of your people; direct their hearts to you;





2 Peter 1 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

1 From: Shim‘on Kefa, a slave and emissary of Yeshua the Messiah
To: Those who, through the righteousness of our God and of our Deliverer Yeshua the Messiah, have been given the same kind of trust as ours:
2 May grace and shalom(Peace) be yours in full measure, as you come to a full knowledge of God and Yeshua our Lord.
3 God’s power has given us everything we need for life and godliness, through our knowing the One who called us to his own glory and goodness. 4 By these he has given us valuable and superlatively great promises, so that through them you might come to share in God’s nature and escape the corruption which evil desires have brought into the world.
5 For this very reason, try your hardest to furnish your
}faith with goodness,
}goodness with knowledge, 6
}knowledge with self-control,
}self-control with perseverance,
}perseverance with godliness, 7
}godliness with brotherly affection,
}and brotherly affection with love.

8 For if you have these qualities in abundance, they keep you from being barren and unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah.

9 Indeed, whoever lacks them is blind, so shortsighted that he forgets that his past sins have been washed away. 10 Therefore, brothers, try even harder to make your being called and chosen a certainty. For if you keep doing this, you will never stumble. 11 Thus you will be generously supplied with everything you need to enter the eternal Kingdom of our Lord and Deliverer, Yeshua the Messiah.
 
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the context of James 2 is admonishing a group of people for showing partiality.
for treating a rich man better than a poor man.

that's the specifics 'break one part of the law and be guilty of all of it' ((in Leviticus 19 it says do not show partiality to the rich)) -- and when James says 'one of you will say, i have faith and you have works' -- guess who it is ((in the context)) that says that?
and guess who it is that would turn away a person starving and freezing to death ((the specific example of 'works' he uses)) with only words and no physical help?
would it be the person who thinks they need redemption or the person who doesn't?
who does Jesus talk about, neglecting the poor?
people who boasted of works, or people who boasted of faith?

who was rich in Jewish society?

we talking about a pharisee here? one who has become a believer?

if we are, would that pharisee believer be likely to feel justified by his works, or by his faith?

bump for those who dont understand the context of james
 
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What are you even talking about...serious.....go back thru the thread....I have made like three to five comments about the temple and 2 to 3 of them were in reply to your foolishness.....your accusations are unfounded and to be quite frank getting old.....
I have pointed out that the thread title of the OP is motivated by arrogance..
And this thread is unfruitful.
And you even went so far as to speak vulgarity against Peter and then boast about you are sealed with An Eternal promise.
I know of a few fallen angels that have been sealed also. A seal of destruction.


}faith with goodness,
}goodness with knowledge, 6
}knowledge with self-control,
}self-control with perseverance,
}perseverance with godliness, 7
}godliness with brotherly affection,
}and brotherly affection with love.

8 For if you have these qualities in abundance, they keep you from being barren and unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah.

9 Indeed, whoever lacks them is blind, so shortsighted that he forgets that his past sins have been washed away. 10 Therefore, brothers, try even harder to make your being called and chosen a certainty. For if you keep doing this, you will never stumble. 11 Thus you will be generously supplied with everything you need to enter the eternal Kingdom of our Lord and Deliverer, Yeshua the Messiah.
 
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There is no forgivenes for Blasphemy of the Ruach Haqadosh(Holy Spirit)

And you just went there, "Whistle.
Really your lack of knowledge and repeated attacks are growing quite old. Are you a Messianic or rabbinical Jew? if you are neither, you have no business imitating one.
 
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Yeshua(Jesus) Being the express image of the Father in the Ruach Haqadosh(Holy Spirit) rebuked satan,. As the Holy Spirit had not been given in the upper room yet.
Pesach first, then comes Shavout.

You have already been marked.
Yet several OT saints like David had the Spirit come upon them, just not with within them. Stop acting like a Rabbi and come back to earth.
 
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Why then are you so concerned with solomons temple?

Like i said, luciferians worship solomons temple., and they are marked by their own mouths confessing an oath.


a person can gnaw and gnash all they like while being escorted out.
Why do you continue the lies about the Marine?
 
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Really your lack of knowledge and repeated attacks are growing quite old. Are you a Messianic or rabbinical Jew? if you are neither, you have no business imitating one.
Ive already been through Gilgal and seen a few workers of iniquity creeping about.

If this is a Christian place to come and Fellowship. It sure has became quite contrary to What i have seen amongst the Body of Believers i have visited in person over the yrs.
Never have i ever been insulted for citing scripture in a single congregation(church)No matter what denomination.
Only over the internet have i witnessed anyone behave in a manner entirely Contrary to the Ruach Haqadosh(Holy Spirit).



And I gave fair WARNING
 
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Why do you continue the lies about the Marine?
[h=1]Titus 3 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)[/h][FONT=&quot]3 Remind people to submit to the government and its officials, to obey them, to be ready to do any honorable kind of work, 2 to slander no one, to avoid quarrelling, to be friendly, and to behave gently towards everyone.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 For at one time, we too were foolish and disobedient, deceived and enslaved by a variety of passions and pleasures. We spent our lives in evil and envy; people hated us, and we hated each other. 4 But when the kindness and love for mankind of God our Deliverer was revealed, 5 he delivered us. It was not on the ground of any righteous deeds we had done, but on the ground of his own mercy. He did it by means of the mikveh of rebirth and the renewal brought about by the Ruach HaKodesh, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Yeshua the Messiah, our Deliverer. 7 He did it so that by his grace we might come to be considered righteous by God and become heirs, with the certain hope of eternal life. 8 You can trust what I have just said, and I want you to speak with confidence about these things, so that those who have put their trust in God may apply themselves to doing good deeds. These are both good in themselves and valuable to the community.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 But avoid stupid controversies, genealogies, quarrels and fights about the Torah; because they are worthless and futile.

10 Warn a divisive person once, then a second time; and after that, have nothing more to do with him. 11 You may be sure that such a person has been perverted and is sinning: he stands self-condemned.
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preacher4truth

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So I have a question:

I have a brother-in-law who clearly became a believer in Christ at about sixteen years of age. His life changed drastically; he confessed belief in Christ, and everyone around him clearly saw the change. He had joy and realness.
As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. Matthew 13:20-21
 

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There is no forgivenes for Blasphemy of the Ruach Haqadosh(Holy Spiri
And you just went there, "Whistle.[/QQUOT]
That is correct since it means rejecting Jesus. That is the only unforgivable sin!!!
 

preston39

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It should read.....I Ralph apologize for falsely accusing many in this thread for saying they can live any way they want, I have consistently twisted what they have said, erroneously accused them while embellishing what they have said to make myself look right and them wrong and I have regularly vacillated on what I believe when caught in many erroneous interpretations...........
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..."sacrifice for forgiveness is not available where sin is present".
 

preacher4truth

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..."sacrifice for forgiveness is not available where sin is present".
Forgiveness is only needed when sin is present. Thank God he came to save sinners while we were sinners, and sacrificed his life while we were sinners. Romans 5:8. I'd say your philosophy above is unbiblical.
 
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The WHOLE Bible on a particular topic needs to be read and understood. Leaving out James 2 leaves faith alone but James 2 is part of the Bible!!!
FAITH ALONE is what saves a man...NO WORKS attached to gain eternal life because of salvation...why is that so difficult to figure out.......
 

preston39

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Forgiveness is only needed when sin is present. Thank God he came to save sinners while we were sinners, and sacrificed his life while we were sinners. Romans 5:8. I'd say your philosophy above is unbiblical.
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Your name is noted.

That is scripture. Can't believe you don't recognize it.
Let me know if you can't find it.;