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Keep telling yourself that................................................................................................................................................................................! Feel free to fill in the blanks....


Arrogance is all ive read come from your post.
And i know why you would speak to me just as iyovs accusers did. The enemy reviles those who testify of the Truth.





No More Sea
Psalm 144 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)


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By David:


(1) Blessed be Adonai, my rock,
who trains my hands for war
and my fingers for battle.
2 He shows me grace; and he is my fortress,
my stronghold, in whom I find shelter,
my shield, in whom I take refuge,
who subdues my people under me.


3 Adonai, what are mere mortals,
that you notice them at all;
humans, that you think about them?
4 Man is like a puff of wind,
his days like a fleeting shadow.


5 Adonai, lower the heavens, and come down;
touch the mountains, make them pour out smoke.
6 Shoot out lightning, and scatter them;
send out your arrows, and rout them.
7 Reach out your hands from on high;
rescue me; save me out of deep water,
out of the power of strangers,
8 whose mouths speak worthless words
and whose right hands swear false oaths.


9 God, I will sing a new song to you;
sing praises to you with a ten-stringed harp.
10 You give kings their victories;
you save your servant David from the cruel sword.
11 Rescue me, save me from the power of strangers,
whose mouths speak worthless words
and whose right hands swear false oaths.


12 Our sons in their youth will be
like full-grown saplings,
our daughters will be like sculptured pillars
fit for the corner of a palace.
13 Our barns are full with crops of every kind;
the sheep in our fields number thousands, tens of thousands.
14 our oxen are well-fed,
our city walls have no breach,
our people are not taken captive,
and there are no cries of protest in our cities’ open places.
15 How happy the people who live in such conditions!
How happy the people whose God is Adonai!

 
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His whole premise fails the smell test......the bible is clear....the Spirit bears witness with our spirt that we are the sons of GOD...this whole losing the "confirmation of your works" is pure ignorance....
You lose the confirmation of his felt presence in salvation when you are a hypocrite. It's obvious that you lose the confirmation of salvation through your works when you are a hypocrite because you don't have any works. But you also lose the confirmation of the felt presence of the Spirit when you are a hypocrite.

Hypocrites can't know if they are saved or not. They have neither the felt presence of the Spirit or their works to testify that they are saved. Yet they claim they are saved because they insist one cannot lose their salvation. But since they are a hypocrite they can't even know for sure if they are even saved in the first place for their once saved always saved argument to even apply to them. Their hypocrisy robs them of both the witness of the Spirit and the witness of a changed life. And yet they will fight you vigorously and insist they are saved even though there is no visible or felt evidence that they are. This is the new grace doctrine destroying the church.
 

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That's right. And we know if we have his righteousness to save us from the fire by if we are changed/changing people. People who don't live changed/changing lives can't know for sure if they have his righteousness applied to their account through faith or not.

The Holy Spirit is the proof of salvation. It is the mark, the seal, that protects the righteous from destruction. The presence of the Holy Spirit-the mark of salvation-is revealed in us in the fruit of the Spirit.

The fruit of the Spirit is the mark in our flesh, the circumcision that shows that we are in covenant with God through Christ, just as literal circumcision was the mark in the flesh that showed that a person was in covenant with God through Moses.

YOU STILL DO NOT GET IT, the Narrow Gate is much Narrower than even you think. FEW FIND IT.


Matthew 7:13-14 (CSBBible)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who go through it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it.



1 John 2:19 (CSBBible)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.


There is NO such Thing as a Christian that does not have the GOD's Love in your HEART. That comes with the Holy Spirit. Those who left, only proved they did not have GOD's Love in their heart in the first place; therefore they did not have the Holy Spirit either.

Do I believe in Prodigals? YES, but they always come back, where the one without the Spirit of GOD and GOD's Love in them, NEVER COME BACK.
 

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Arrogance is all ive read come from your post.
And i know why you would speak to me just as iyovs accusers did. The enemy reviles those who testify of the Truth.





No More Sea
Psalm 144 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)


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By David:


(1) Blessed be Adonai, my rock,
who trains my hands for war
and my fingers for battle.
2 He shows me grace; and he is my fortress,
my stronghold, in whom I find shelter,
my shield, in whom I take refuge,
who subdues my people under me.


3 Adonai, what are mere mortals,
that you notice them at all;
humans, that you think about them?
4 Man is like a puff of wind,
his days like a fleeting shadow.


5 Adonai, lower the heavens, and come down;
touch the mountains, make them pour out smoke.
6 Shoot out lightning, and scatter them;
send out your arrows, and rout them.
7 Reach out your hands from on high;
rescue me; save me out of deep water,
out of the power of strangers,
8 whose mouths speak worthless words
and whose right hands swear false oaths.


9 God, I will sing a new song to you;
sing praises to you with a ten-stringed harp.
10 You give kings their victories;
you save your servant David from the cruel sword.
11 Rescue me, save me from the power of strangers,
whose mouths speak worthless words
and whose right hands swear false oaths.


12 Our sons in their youth will be
like full-grown saplings,
our daughters will be like sculptured pillars
fit for the corner of a palace.
13 Our barns are full with crops of every kind;
the sheep in our fields number thousands, tens of thousands.
14 our oxen are well-fed,
our city walls have no breach,
our people are not taken captive,
and there are no cries of protest in our cities’ open places.
15 How happy the people who live in such conditions!
How happy the people whose God is Adonai!

This is about natural man isnt it pin? It's says David had to subdue his people under him. That's control of law. Just like the laws of our country. The spiritual man is of God. Seeking to be like Him in every way. Standing firm on the foundation of Jesus Christ the Righteous. Not going about to create our own.
 
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You lose the confirmation of his felt presence in salvation when you are a hypocrite. It's obvious that you lose the confirmation of salvation through your works when you are a hypocrite because you don't have any works. But you also lose the confirmation of the felt presence of the Spirit when you are a hypocrite.

Hypocrites can't know if they are saved or not. They have neither the felt presence of the Spirit or their works to testify that they are saved. Yet they claim they are saved because they insist one cannot lose their salvation. But since they are a hypocrite they can't even know for sure if they are even saved in the first place for their once saved always saved argument to even apply to them. Their hypocrisy robs them of both the witness of the Spirit and the witness of a changed life. And yet they will fight you vigorously and insist they are saved even though there is no visible or felt evidence that they are. This is the new grace doctrine destroying the church.
Blah blah blah Ralph......do you even know what the word hypocrite actually means.......I really suggest you take some time off and actually study the word......serious....everything you have said is nothing more than OPINION and your blind stance against the grace of GOD that utterly smashes your working for dogma and this I am not saved garbage until the end when the Lord sees my works.....such deceit.....
 

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Sea:

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From an unused root meaning to roar; a sea (as breaking in noisy surf) or large body of water; specifically (with the article) the Mediterranean; sometimes a large river, or an artificial basin; locally, the west, or (rarely) the south: - sea (X -faring man, [-shore]), south, west (-ern, side, -ward).
 
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Keep telling yourself that................................................................................................................................................................................! Feel free to fill in the blanks....

No fruits, a curse, you should seriously consider the condition of your soul.
 
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Exactly, Holy Spirit is the witness, and the cry of Abba, my Father the result.

Think the Word. The Word is the living Torah, the Son. The renewed mind.
You lose that witness when you are a hypocrite.

Hypocrites have no confirmation of their salvation. Whether they never had salvation to begin with or lost it, doesn't matter. They have nothing to confirm they have a relationship with God. In the end, hypocrites go to the lake of fire.


"42“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
45“Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?46It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns.47Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions.48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards.50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of.51He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."-Matthew 24:42-51



The new grace doctrine isn't going to save the hypocrite when Jesus comes back to settle accounts with his people. Especially the teacher or pastor who is a hypocrite.
 
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No fruits, a curse, you should seriously consider the condition of your soul.

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You lose that witness when you are a hypocrite.

Hypocrites have no confirmation of their salvation. Whether they never had salvation to begin with or lost it, doesn't matter. They have nothing to confirm they have a relationship with God. In the end, hypocrites go to the lake of fire.


"42“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
45“Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?46It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns.47Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions.48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards.50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of.51He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."-Matthew 24:42-51



The new grace doctrine isn't going to save the hypocrite when Jesus comes back to settle accounts with his people. Especially the teacher or pastor who is a hypocrite.
Salvation cannot be lost.....one of the many errors you espouse.......
 
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Blah blah blah Ralph......do you even know what the word hypocrite actually means
The person who claims he knows God but has no life to validate his claim.

Hypocrites will go into the flames at Jesus' return. No doctrine of 'no works necessary' will save him in that day. That's not a works gospel. Works are necessary as the evidence of the change of life a person gets through faith in Christ. No change of life shows you don't have that new life by faith in Christ, or that you lost it.

Hypocrisy is a very serious offense. Punishable by eternal condemnation. No 'no works necessary' claim is going to save the hypocrite. The big lie in the church today is it will save them. Works do matter. You do need works to be saved when Jesus comes back or you show you were not saved, or lost salvation, in this life.
 

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You lose that witness when you are a hypocrite.

Hypocrites have no confirmation of their salvation. Whether they never had salvation to begin with or lost it, doesn't matter. They have nothing to confirm they have a relationship with God. In the end, hypocrites go to the lake of fire.


"42“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
45“Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?46It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns.47Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions.48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards.50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of.51He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."-Matthew 24:42-51



The new grace doctrine isn't going to save the hypocrite when Jesus comes back to settle accounts with his people. Especially the teacher or pastor who is a hypocrite.
You dont understand the tripartite man. Is that the right word? I would use the word triune but I've seen others use this other word.

Spirit, soul, and body. We are perfect in Spirit, but soul, our mind, our will, our emotions need to be "saved". This is how we connected to our world, and to others before our salvation experience.

Our motives are constantly exposed by the searchlight of Holy Spirit within us. Is why Paul said in one place, he didn't judge himself.
 
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Salvation cannot be lost.....one of the many errors you espouse.......
Okay, fine. Then the hypocrite was never saved to begin with.

See, you can't win this one.

The hypocrite is doomed. No new grace doctrine of 'it doesn't matter' changes that truth. If the hypocrite does not repent before the return of Christ he will go into the flames, not into the kingdom.
 
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This is about natural man isnt it pin? It's says David had to subdue his people under him. That's control of law. Just like the laws of our country. The spiritual man is of God. Seeking to be like Him in every way. Standing firm on the foundation of Jesus Christ the Righteous. Not going about to create our own.
i believe it also has to do with our environment and who we surround ourselves with.
I know there are times we are to visit the prisoners, but if the prisoner wishes to stay. We are not obligated to stay with them.
There are many examples of many kings who were surrounded by the wicked counsel of men perverted by covetousness.
the righthand of falseness reminds me of the leaven of malice and also the tongue.

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The person who claims he knows God but has no life to validate his claim.

Hypocrites will go into the flames at Jesus' return. No doctrine of 'no works necessary' will save him in that day. That's not a works gospel. Works are necessary as the evidence of the change of life a person gets through faith in Christ. No change of life shows you don't have that new life by faith in Christ, or that you lost it.

Hypocrisy is a very serious offense. Punishable by eternal condemnation. No 'no works necessary' claim is going to save the hypocrite. The big lie in the church today is it will save them. Works do matter. You do need works to be saved when Jesus comes back or you show you were not saved, or lost salvation, in this life.
WRONG, WRONG and that would be WRONG.....more erroneous doctrine from the man/woman who pushes a works based salvation.......it is no wonder you miss the mark so much....salvation is the root...and if it is wrong the whole tree is corrupt....weigh that for a moment.....
 
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You dont understand the tripartite man. Is that the right word? I would use the word triune but I've seen others use this other word.

Spirit, soul, and body. We are perfect in Spirit, but soul, our mind, our will, our emotions need to be "saved". This is how we connected to our world, and to others before our salvation experience.

Our motives are constantly exposed by the searchlight of Holy Spirit within us. Is why Paul said in one place, he didn't judge himself.
Amen

yes, i learned this early in my walk with the Lord.
 
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Okay, fine. Then the hypocrite was never saved to begin with.

See, you can't win this one.

The hypocrite is doomed. No new grace doctrine of 'it doesn't matter' changes that truth. If the hypocrite does not repent before the return of Christ he will go into the flames, not into the kingdom.
Wrong again......look to the scriptures again Ralph.....and go study the word hypocrite from the two Greek words that make up the word and come to a good understanding on what the word really means....and then APPLY it properly.....