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Budman

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Budman is hypergrace. He openly admits it. He plainly said the person living in his old life is still saved no matter what.
First off, there is no such thing as "hypergrace" - it's simply grace.

And secondly, I never, ever said a person should live like the devil (the old life). I said a person could live a life not pleasing to the Lord, unproductive and unyielding, but will open themselves up to the chastisement of the Lord.

God will correct His rebellious children, but He will never kick them out of the family.
 

stonesoffire

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See, that's why your "works as proof" theology is so damning. It totally excludes the possibility of deathbed conversions. God saves people for HIS glory, Ralph. So the whole of creation can praise Him for His mercy. If Hitler were saved, every Christian on earth and in heaven would be praising God for His unlimited love and grace.

It's all about Christ, Ralph. Not about you, me, or anyone else.

Once again, salvation is, and remains, a gift. Not based on any works we do before, or after our conversion.

After salvation, our works are for rewards in heaven and justification before men - to the glory of God.
If this is hypergrace, then stick it on my forehead too. I'll wear it proudly.
 

stonesoffire

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Good morning all you beautiful ones of the Lord! Still dark here but it's a great day starting...rejoice!
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Budman is hypergrace. He openly admits it. He plainly said the person living in his old life is still saved no matter what.

Most others don't openly admit that they believe grace makes it so they don't have to have works to be saved when Jesus comes back. They show by their lives that's what they believe.
false accusation and a hidden accusation mixed with a strawman

in a nasty little false doctrine package


1. Budman believes the truth of an incorruptible seed and the power of Jesus sacrifice. (your strawman is he admits hes hyper grace)

2. Budman never once said living his old life, being born again is entirely about being a new creature. ( here is your lie and even if His children are imperfect... they are not the old men.... God looks to the heart not your works)

3 Your hidden accusation is those who understand the truth when they are born again and SAVED they do not have good works and DONT show what they believe.


ralph....

stop the lifestyle of constant lies and accusations against Gods children...
 
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For the workers for and sinless perfectionists......I fed my neighbor's cat today.....does that count towards my salvation in your book?

HAHHHA does not matter....I trusted JESUS and confessed that trust.....I was saved then, am saved right now and continuing to be saved into the future.....

Jesus is the beginner and finisher of faith in my life....HE WILL finish what he started by faith......He that believes on the son is having everlasting life.....thank God for eternal security!
 

BillG

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For the workers for and sinless perfectionists......I fed my neighbor's cat today.....does that count towards my salvation in your book?

HAHHHA does not matter....I trusted JESUS and confessed that trust.....I was saved then, am saved right now and continuing to be saved into the future.....

Jesus is the beginner and finisher of faith in my life....HE WILL finish what he started by faith......He that believes on the son is having everlasting life.....thank God for eternal security!
They depends on whether or was done in love in order to bring glory to God.
 

DiscipleDave

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Even if one wants to interpret the cutting off as only being the breaking of fellowship, the point is very clear that we are to fear God and what he may do.
Over 120 verses in the Bible that plainly teach to Fear God. This generation does not fear God because they do not know Him.

If i sow to my flesh, God will punish me by giving me corruption in my flesh. So if i fear God and what He will do to me if i sow to my flesh, this prevents me from sowing to my flesh. i will reap what i sow. i will repay for the wrong which i freely choose to commit. This generation does not fear God because they hold on to false doctrines. Which allows them to do whatever sins they want to do and they are still fine and dandy with God. They believe they can obey the enemy of God and commit sin and do not have to pay any consequences for that at all, because Jesus already paid for it. = False Doctrine.

The beginning of knowledge is the Fear of the Lord. Who in this generation fears the Lord? Therefore it is only logical they do not have knowledge. Even though they think they do.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

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DiscipleDave

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Originally Posted by LightLoveHope

"Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished."
gen 19:15

These people have no fear of God, the way they embrace sin, and reject Gods word, love and
righteousness while claiming they are the true saved, and God will not touch them, shows how
deluded they have become.

Who are "these people"?
This seems to me to be a very strange question. The answer is already presented.

Originally Posted by LightLoveHope



These people have no fear of God, the way they embrace sin, and reject Gods word,
Then you ask "Who are these people?" The answer is right there. Those that have no fear of God. Those who embrace sin. Those who reject Gods Word.

Are you asking something else, please explain i do not understand why you are asking a question that is already answered.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

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DiscipleDave

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Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

If you agree (or like) what a slandering person said, then you are even as the one who slandered. If a person then calls a person a name, all those that "like" that post, have indeed called that person the same name.

IF you pay attention to those who "like" posts that belittle, put down others, mock, slander, falsely accuse, you will notice that these same people never "love", "encourage", "Strengthen", or "try to help" them either. You will know them by their fruits if they belong to God or not belong to God.

Those who Love One Another belong to God.
Those who do not Love One Another do NOT belong to God, no matter what they claim with their mouths, or what they believe is the TRUTH.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave
Not for all of us,I for one am a rather different individual I don't care who is speaking if there is "Truth" in a person's post I will click "like" even it seems mocking this is not the same as totally agreeing,in fact when you think on it "when do any of us totally agree"?
i am one that does not like a post unless i 100% agree with what is being said. i have read post that i agree with 99%. But it is that one percent that is wrong in the post, that prevents me from liking that post. i will not like something that is wrong.

Example post.

God is Good. God is Great, God is Love, God loves us. God wants us all to be in Heaven with Him. We should obey satan. Jesus is the Son of God. The Father Loves us. The Word of God is TRUE. We should walk in Righteousness. We should be Holy like God is Holy.

i would never like this example post, because of the thing said that i do not like.

I have agreed and disagreed with probably everyone here off and on,even sometimes to the point of upsetting me or them.
Do you likewise "like" those posts that you feel are almost completely wrong, except for one little thing they say that is right?

But it never means I hate them
Tell me if a person fails to help someone in need, do they hate them? If that person loves them, they would help correct? This generation doesn't realize there is Love and there is Hate. there is no in between. This generation likes to believe they don't hate nor love the person they Fail to help in need.

just as it doesn't mean so with others it's just tough to get along,and communicate,some don't want truth no matter what facts are placed before them and it can cause division but there is always equal ground somewhere between us,whether we allow ourselves to find it is up to us individually, it's no easy thing to break through our beliefs and personalities to reach each other but the possibility of one more soul for God/Jesus is always there so it's worth enduring and pressing on for.
So if you "like" a post that is mocking Bob. Are you encouraging Bob's soul towards God, encouraging him to endure and press on? Or are you "Liking" the post the mocks Bob, without regard to how Bob may feel towards people "liking" the evil person mocking Bob. i am pretty certain, that Jesus would never "like" a post that mocks one of His children, no matter who they are.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave
 

BillG

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Over 120 verses in the Bible that plainly teach to Fear God. This generation does not fear God because they do not know Him.

If i sow to my flesh, God will punish me by giving me corruption in my flesh. So if i fear God and what He will do to me if i sow to my flesh, this prevents me from sowing to my flesh. i will reap what i sow. i will repay for the wrong which i freely choose to commit. This generation does not fear God because they hold on to false doctrines. Which allows them to do whatever sins they want to do and they are still fine and dandy with God. They believe they can obey the enemy of God and commit sin and do not have to pay any consequences for that at all, because Jesus already paid for it. = False Doctrine.

The beginning of knowledge is the Fear of the Lord. Who in this generation fears the Lord? Therefore it is only logical they do not have knowledge. Even though they think they do.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave
Hi DD,

Can you let me know what you think it is to fear the Lord.
 

DiscipleDave

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A believer can fall away, become unusable and be whipped or even forfeit their physical life due to disobedience....yet they will never lose their salvation.....
Should i believe you or what Scriptures teach?

You have failed to answer me when i ask you a few simple questions. The reason you don't answer them, is because if you do answer them it proves that what you believe is WRONG. i will present the questions to you again, which we will see if you answer.

Can a Believer (Saved person) deny Jesus Christ?
Can a Believer (Saved person) hate someone?
Can a Believer (Saved person) not forgive someone else?

Now remember,
Scriptures teach that if a person denies Jesus they are not going to Heaven.
Scriptures teach that if a person hates someone they do not know the TRUTH and it is not in them and do not have Jesus.
Scriptures teach that if you do not forgive others, then the Father will NOT forgive you.

So then can a Saved person deny Jesus and they do not lose their Salvation?
Can a Saved person hate someone, and they still have their Salvation even though the TRUTH is not in them?
Can a Saved person have unforgiveness in their hearts and still be Saved, even though the FATHER will NOT forgiven them?

Can you answer these questions?
Will you answer these questions?
And if you do answer these questions, are they answers to these questions or not answers at all but an attempt to skirt around answering them. We shall see.

i imagine you will say nothing at all. Because if you do, it will only PROVE that what you believe is incorrect.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Should i believe you or what Scriptures teach?
you have shown plainly in your website you misunderstand many scriptures....

you have zero understanding of hebrews if you havent came to change your stance on the osas section
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NoNameMcgee

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a saved believer cannot actually cease to believe

they are a new creature....

born again


those who believe of God and even for a time retain knowledge of Him
and then fall away

never believed IN Him

and He never placed the new heart and spirit in them
or they surely would have continued in faith

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Romans 1:28-29

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

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1 john

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


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Hebrews 6
6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

3 And this will we do, if God permit.

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there are those who hear the call

but are not chosen

they were not born again or they no doubt would have continued in faith

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proof of tasting the Holy spirit but not being born again BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF



7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ



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once you are born again
His incorruptible seed remains in you....

1 peter
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.


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1 peter

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
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UnderGrace

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Yes I checked out the website too....read the same false teachings.

you have shown plainly in your website you misunderstand many scriptures....

you have zero understanding of hebrews if you havent came to change your stance on the osas section
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