Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

"those beliefs that are obvious lies
are cursed and those who push them are to be as well"

"functioning as wolves"

These are strong words, dangerous accusations.
In the past such words have led to one group actually killing another over
points of view of faith, claiming the other side were really xxxxxxxxxxxx evil.

It is always easy to do this than understand why things are said and believed.
So I suggest rather than cursing scripture, and cursing believers, you actually
take time to let the Lord show you what love is and how it works.

Grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus

wow. so now he us cursing scripture and cursing believers?

Keep it up peter. There you go accusing again..

Are you going to answer my question? Come on people. let not let him get away with it this time.. force him to answer things he has been asked, He opened the can of worms when he posted about salvation and purity It is time for him to back those claims..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

notice i said those who function as wolves are those who preach a false gospel


and im not going to kill anyone

so rest easy

Last I saw, you wanted everyone to get saved, not die, So there he goes again accusing falsely a brother.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Like I told peter many times because he used this same line of reasoning,. Scripture is not bound to what we think it needs to say, It is the word of God. and can only be interpreted Gods way.

secondly, Why did you not answer my question? Again like peter. when you are confronted with something, You ignore and refuse to answer the question.

If you want to discuss in a bible DISCUSSION forum. Then discuss.

The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.
Luke 6:45

Dear eternally-gratefull,

It appears you want to dictate what I say, how I say it, what I mean, and whether
it is acceptable or not. You already have said I lied.

So I do not know which group you belong to, or even if you know what polite respectful
discussion is, but you are so far off this, it is all just being provocative.

As I said, grace to you in Jesus Christ our Lord.

ps today I just wanted to share about the joy I felt in seeing more of how a pure heart
works in the people of God.

If you disagree, fine by me, I was not asking or looking for opinions or argument, just
testifying to my Lord and His revelation.

As a side note, when I see things for the first time, it does take ones breath away,
like seeing Jesus is God who loved me enough to die for me. Wow, praise the Lord.

 

[VCO]

Wow....I was speaking in tongues!

Did you notice that tongues were not mentioned in the list of Rom. 12. I think that is a clear indication that it was the least important gift.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

John 6



26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.

27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.



____________


praise God for His promises


even out of His own mouth

im so greatful for the first fruits He provided

because now ive seen i am a new creature and i KNOW He keeps His promises

ALL glory to God for my salvation
and any good that He uses me for

may He bless those here in error with the TRUTH so they too can be fruitful and be at peace in HIM

bump

i have to go back to work

 

[dcontroversal]

Food for thought...

Hey Guys, when you got saved, which sins were forgiven you? All of them? Now that you are saved, which sins are forgiven you? All of them?

It's not by works.

The Holy Spirit convinces the world of SIN because they believe not on HIM.....Jesus took our sin and nailed it to the cross and then imputed his righteousness though faith unto ALL who genuinely believe the correct message of salvation....after that God deals with his children differently than the way he deals with a lost man concerning sin....

a. Where sin abounds Grace did abound the much more....
b. Chastisement...he whips ALL SONS whom he receives and does not WHIP bastards that are not his.....
c. Sin may break fellowship, but one is never cast away because they have been born of incorruptible seed...
d. A son by birth will always be a son by birth....

 

[LightLoveHope]

notice i said those who function as wolves are those who preach a false gospel
and im not going to kill anyone
so rest easy

My friend, I do not know what you are going to do.
But you said

im only bringing scripture
my "point of view" has always been subject to change based on Gods inspired written word
those beliefs that are obvious lies
are cursed and those who push them are to be as well
those who God has revealed the truth too here
only wish to correct those who are trying to spread a false gospel
all different members of the body wish to shine light on these who are currently functioning as wolves in order they be born again as sheep
some with a gentle hand to try to guide
other with a forceful arm wishing to yank them from the broad path
its a shame some have eyes that dont see
and ears that dont hear
because the truth lies in Jesus finished work on the cross
by His grace through faith we can be saved
and it is not of our works
those who are His
remain His

Your heart will limit how far your emotions run.
But cursing believers and beliefs generally is not a good idea, endangers your eternal future.

You need to know the Spirit who you follow, and what are His ways.
Unfortunately those who go down this road you are travelling harden their hearts to the extent
they know how to lash out, but not much more, and have become captives of their passions.

grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus, Amen

 

[NoNameMcgee]

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

im only bringing scripture

my "point of view" has always been subject to change based on Gods inspired written word


those beliefs that are obvious lies

are cursed and those who push them are to be as well


those who God has revealed the truth too here
only wish to correct those who are trying to spread a false gospel

all different members of the body wish to shine light on these who are currently functioning as wolves in order they be born again as sheep


some with a gentle hand to try to guide

other with a forceful arm wishing to yank them from the broad path


its a shame some have eyes that dont see
and ears that dont hear

because the truth lies in Jesus finished work on the cross

by His grace through faith we can be saved


and it is not of our works

those who are His
remain His

you said i cursed scripture


i said false gospels are cursed

those who spread them are CURRENTLY FUNCTIONING AS wolves


i hope God opens your eyes "light"

you did falsely accuse me



but i was once also functioning as a wolf

until God showed me the truth

if you are offended by what i said

that should tell you something

 

[dcontroversal]

Last I saw, you wanted everyone to get saved, not die, So there he goes again accusing falsely a brother.

He, and all like him, have the same mentality that the Pharisees had.....nothing more than a self righteous ὑποκριταί, promoting a self help, save yourself guru false doctrine that totally devalues JESUS, his work, his blood, his sacrifice and his promises unto all that have genuinely believed the correct message of salvation.......they Honor God with their lips, but by doctrine and stance their hearts are far from him....

 

[dcontroversal]

My friend, I do not know what you are going to do.
But you said




Your heart will limit how far your emotions run.
But cursing believers and beliefs generally is not a good idea, endangers your eternal future.

You need to know the Spirit who you follow, and what are His ways.
Unfortunately those who go down this road you are travelling harden their hearts to the extent
they know how to lash out, but not much more, and have become captives of their passions.

grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus, Amen

You call him friend and accuse him in the same breath......shakes head at the inconsistencies in your supposed biblical stance.....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.
Luke 6:45

Dear eternally-gratefull,

It appears you want to dictate what I say, how I say it, what I mean, and whether
it is acceptable or not. You already have said I lied.

So I do not know which group you belong to, or even if you know what polite respectful
discussion is, but you are so far off this, it is all just being provocative.

As I said, grace to you in Jesus Christ our Lord.

ps today I just wanted to share about the joy I felt in seeing more of how a pure heart
works in the people of God.

If you disagree, fine by me, I was not asking or looking for opinions or argument, just
testifying to my Lord and His revelation.

As a side note, when I see things for the first time, it does take ones breath away,
like seeing Jesus is God who loved me enough to die for me. Wow, praise the Lord.

So you can not answer the easy question I gave?

I did not dictate anything, YOU DID when you posted concerning salvation and what it takes to earn it, and saying if we lost one of the three things, we would lose salvation.

That was YOU NOT ME!!

You did lie.

1. You posted that salvation is based on

Originally Posted by LightLoveHope

Salvation - repentance, faith, works - founded on purity

Lose any part of the three and ones salvation goes.

I responded to this post. and said you were teaching a works based salvation, because that is what you posted. (salvaion is these three, lose one and you lose salvation)

You responded back to me with a bunch of verses, which was good. you gave a counter view..And then you mentioned purity and how we needed to clean ourselves up.

I responded back, and said if you wanted to earn salvation, then good for you, But I want to claim Gods promises, and gave them for you to see and respond. then responded again about how I think we are cleansed,

THEN you CHANGED THE SUBJECT, and tried to say you were not talking about salvation, but about having communion with God, to which I directed you back to your first post. and as usual, you have no answer, so you refuse to talk about it.

to which I called you out and said you lied. And now I have proved it how many times?

As I told you/peter before, You can not go someplace and teach purity and righteousness, when you lie and slander like you do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

My friend, I do not know what you are going to do.
But you said




Your heart will limit how far your emotions run.
But cursing believers and beliefs generally is not a good idea, endangers your eternal future.

You need to know the Spirit who you follow, and what are His ways.
Unfortunately those who go down this road you are travelling harden their hearts to the extent
they know how to lash out, but not much more, and have become captives of their passions.

grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus, Amen

How far will you go?

He said plainly, that those who TEACH A FALSE GOSPEL are obvious lies and cursed,

Are you teaching these things? If not, He is not TALKING TO YOU, yet you continue to want to judge him

 

[LightLoveHope]

you said i cursed scripture
i said false gospels are cursed
those who spread them are CURRENTLY FUNCTIONING AS wolves
i hope God opens your eyes "light"
you did falsely accuse me
but i was once also functioning as a wolf
until God showed me the truth
if you are offended by what i said
that should tell you something

So I am falsely accusing you of cursing beliefs and believers?
And my concern over your spiritual state by cursing should tell me I have problems?

My friend, God help the confused soul you have become,

grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So I am falsely accusing you of cursing beliefs and believers?
And my concern over your spiritual state by cursing should tell me I have problems?

My friend, God help the confused soul you have become,

grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus.

the only one confused here is you, because your to run from what you said,

HE NEVER CURSED BELIEVERS.

those are YOUR WORDS NOT HIS.

 

[LightLoveHope]

So you can not answer the easy question I gave?

You do not comprehend very well what I am saying.
I know this approach.

What I have shared is simple, but it riles you for some reason.
What do you hope to get out of any further interaction?

Are you rejecting a pure heart and happy to live with an impure one, until
the day of Jesus's return?

 

[NoNameMcgee]

So I am falsely accusing you of cursing beliefs and believers?
And my concern over your spiritual state by cursing should tell me I have problems?

My friend, God help the confused soul you have become,

grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus.

you are confused

these are your words

"
So I suggest rather than cursing scripture, and cursing believers, you actually"


i never once cursed anyone

i said FALSE preachers ARE cursed BASED on
SCRIPTURE


6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.



you have now been a false witness over and over

you are in error

 

[NoNameMcgee]

you are confused

these are your words

"
So I suggest rather than cursing scripture, and cursing believers, you actually"


i never once cursed anyone

i said FALSE preachers ARE cursed BASED on
SCRIPTURE


6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.



you have now been a false witness over and over

you are in error

beliefs that are obvious lies

are cursed and those who push them are to be as well


those who God has revealed the truth too here
only wish to correct those who are trying to spread a false gospel

all different members of the body wish to shine light on these who are currently functioning as wolves in order they be born again as sheep

 

[joefizz]

Some seem to mistake the objective of participating in forums with domination of one point
of view.

We all bring our own experiences and perspectives, and given our backgrounds some might
find this hard to take.

I love to here from the Lord through other peoples inspiration and testimony, which is why
forums are such a blessing,

grace and Peace to you

Is that surprising?
We all were brought up to believe a particular doctrine or belief,and so we "believe them to be true" this thread is about "verifying what is true" while "making sense" and not "going against our beliefs" so as not to "confuse the subject or each other" it's the same concept as Jesus explained"A house divided against itself cannot stand",it's not about "domination" it's about "understanding God's word" and "communicating what we believe to be true".
Yeah things can get dominate for one side but that doesn't always mean those people are correct it could mean simply that more people have "showed up" our purpose is to be "edified" if we haven't learnt what is correct and either accept correction or explain why we are correct and so don't require correction.
But all sides are "determined" so it's unlikely that we'll agree with each other but that's not the "whole point" it's not impossible for one of us to accept another's belief as our own but all in all if we "learn something" then this bible study is "productive" especially if we come with "one mind and one accord".

 

[dcontroversal]

the only one confused here is you, because your to run from what you said,

HE NEVER CURSED BELIEVERS.

those are YOUR WORDS NOT HIS.

Same modus operandi as PETER.....and everybody wondered why we lit him up so much......you would think that one who can read can understand that NNM did not curse believers.....and the tragic thing....those who claim to be pure and righteous cannot admit one error.....that tells me that their supposed righteous and pure stance equates to something akin to my chicken coop in mid summer........if the boot fits......

 

[LightLoveHope]

I wonder at the animosity people have in their hearts.

Does anyone need a clearer signal than, Jesus is not here, I have serious problems
and am trying very hard to cover them up.

Grapes and figs, or thorns and thistles.

Gentleness and a humble heart, or strident putting people in their place, which is it?

A young child in a nursery could spot the differences. People want spiritual authority
and recognition so badly and think bullying and harrying actually is the road to walk.

Grace and peace to you all, in Christ Jesus who humbled himself and went to the cross
for our sins, Amen