From now on, let's just not respond to each other, okay? 
Now back to the subject of this thread..
Now back to the subject of this thread..
Not By Works
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Do as you like Blue. Since you want to stop talking about this, YOU should stop talking about this and not try to get the last word in all the time as if I have to do what you say. I will respond as I see fit.
It wasn't a can of worms. It was an observation, based on the fact that He had human emotions just as we do.. And in order to understand what WE feel, HE had to have some knowledge of how it felt. If not during His life, then most assuredly on the cross.. And it's good to question things in the bible.
And it's good to question things in the bible.
And consider this Jesus is God and God cannot sin. Even when we are going through a bible study it is good to approach a study by asking questions and praying for a teachable heart. When the bible is interpreted correctly you will have a correct application. If your interpretation is incorrect so will be "all" of our applications such as, did Jesus ever sin.
Right interpretation = right conclusions. Blue_Lady you get my okay over here
for having a teachable heart who loves our Saviour....
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I wish you would/ could turn on your PM's....
Consider the temptations of Jesus of Nazareth after His baptism by John, Matthew4:1. The devil tempted Jesus 4 times in the wilderness and He did not sin once. If Jesus did sin just one time He would have lost His credentials as the Messiah, but praise God He did not.
And consider this Jesus is God and God cannot sin. Even when we are going through a bible study it is good to approach a study by asking questions and praying for a teachable heart. When the bible is interpreted correctly you will have a correct application. If your interpretation is incorrect so will be "all" of our applications such as, did Jesus ever sin.
Right interpretation = right conclusions. Blue_Lady you get my okay over here
for having a teachable heart who loves our Saviour....
And consider this Jesus is God and God cannot sin. Even when we are going through a bible study it is good to approach a study by asking questions and praying for a teachable heart. When the bible is interpreted correctly you will have a correct application. If your interpretation is incorrect so will be "all" of our applications such as, did Jesus ever sin.
Right interpretation = right conclusions. Blue_Lady you get my okay over here
for having a teachable heart who loves our Saviour....
I agree,
Jesus would have had the same evil flesh that all mankind has. "Don't call Me good, there is only one who is good and that is God".
Eve had God's Word and had the serpent's (our flesh) words. And we are to choose between the two. Isn't that what the whole repentance thing is about?
Duet. 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
15 See, I (Jesus) have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
Jesus, as a man, would have had this choice as well.
Good topic
Jesus would have had the same evil flesh that all mankind has. "Don't call Me good, there is only one who is good and that is God".
Eve had God's Word and had the serpent's (our flesh) words. And we are to choose between the two. Isn't that what the whole repentance thing is about?
Duet. 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
15 See, I (Jesus) have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
Jesus, as a man, would have had this choice as well.
Good topic
At least you are not like those who tell people to avoid this place, and proclaim often that they almost never come here, when they are in the BDF almost every single day. It seems denial is a way of life for some. It is perplexing how people can be so blind, but, human nature being what it is, and the world going the direction that it is, these types of things are just likely to increase, as opposed to decreasing, and I feel sorry for the younger generations, especially those who do not have Christ as any kind of Light in their lives, to help them see the Truth of the greater reality in which they have their existence. So you are blessed, and I hope you never lose sight of that fact
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I agree,
Jesus would have had the same evil flesh that all mankind has. "Don't call Me good, there is only one who is good and that is God".
Eve had God's Word and had the serpent's (our flesh) words. And we are to choose between the two. Isn't that what the whole repentance thing is about?
Duet. 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
15 See, I (Jesus) have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
Jesus, as a man, would have had this choice as well.
Good topic
Jesus would have had the same evil flesh that all mankind has. "Don't call Me good, there is only one who is good and that is God".
Eve had God's Word and had the serpent's (our flesh) words. And we are to choose between the two. Isn't that what the whole repentance thing is about?
Duet. 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
15 See, I (Jesus) have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
Jesus, as a man, would have had this choice as well.
Good topic
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
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Matthew 5:17
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
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2 Corinthians 5
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
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hmm… interesting… i knew that!
Problem is, in case #1 above, if the works being talked about were moral works of righteousness than Paul is contradicting the rest of the Bible. In case #2, the man had to die to the flesh so that he be saved when Jesus comes back. In case #3, the thief did not deny Christ but overcame to the very end. In case #4, the lost son came back home, he did remain in his fallen state. So none of these so-called proofs are consistent with a person living in sin and being saved despite living without repentance in that sin.
Then they bring once saved always saved into the mix and claim you don't have to have works because you got saved the moment you believed and you can't have that taken away. But they forget their own Calvy beliefs which also say that the person who supposedly believes and is supposedly saved at that moment wasn't really saved at that moment if he does not have any works and does not endure to the end. They contradict their own Calvy leanings.
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Oh, okay, EG, that was not clear from your post, that your remarks were for all, when you quoted me You did explain things quite well It did seem, though, that some were taking me to task for questioning a person who made plain they were unclear on the concept of whether or not Jesus sinned! This should not an issue that remains a question in any Christian's mind. Jesus did not sin.
Something you may not be aware of, though I have spoken of it before in my time on this site, is that I spent years in weekly Bible study with people who called themselves Christian, when they did not really believe much of the Bible, rejected the Deity of Christ, pooh-poohed John's gospel, belittled the "theology of Paul," and many other discrepancies that made me wonder on more than one occasion why I was even there. The ordained minister who was the "leader" of the group classified themselves as an agnostic, and also claimed they could not believe Jesus was sinless, or that if He was, He could not have paid for their sins, or anybody else's. How they came to that conclusion I do not know; I only know that it is wrong. They used a similar line of reasoning, though, as if Jesus could not know sin without experiencing it Himself.
Otherwise, I did enjoy the meetings and study quite a bit
Discussion boards such as these are set up with the express intention of allowing people to discuss what the Biblical texts say, and what is meant by the whole of Scripture, so of course, when someone says something that reveals a lack of understanding, it is going to be discussed. I find it interesting that there are those who make reference to this thread in the most disparaging terms, and then post their own criticisms as if they were somehow exempt from the labels they love to stick on others. And worse, they criticize the fact that there actually is unity and fellowship here!
You did explain things quite well It did seem, though, that some were taking me to task for questioning a person who made plain they were unclear on the concept of whether or not Jesus sinned! This should not an issue that remains a question in any Christian's mind. Jesus did not sin. Something you may not be aware of, though I have spoken of it before in my time on this site, is that I spent years in weekly Bible study with people who called themselves Christian, when they did not really believe much of the Bible, rejected the Deity of Christ, pooh-poohed John's gospel, belittled the "theology of Paul," and many other discrepancies that made me wonder on more than one occasion why I was even there. The ordained minister who was the "leader" of the group classified themselves as an agnostic, and also claimed they could not believe Jesus was sinless, or that if He was, He could not have paid for their sins, or anybody else's. How they came to that conclusion I do not know; I only know that it is wrong. They used a similar line of reasoning, though, as if Jesus could not know sin without experiencing it Himself.
Otherwise, I did enjoy the meetings and study quite a bit
Discussion boards such as these are set up with the express intention of allowing people to discuss what the Biblical texts say, and what is meant by the whole of Scripture, so of course, when someone says something that reveals a lack of understanding, it is going to be discussed. I find it interesting that there are those who make reference to this thread in the most disparaging terms, and then post their own criticisms as if they were somehow exempt from the labels they love to stick on others. And worse, they criticize the fact that there actually is unity and fellowship here!
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Oh, okay, EG, that was not clear from your post, that your remarks were for all, when you quoted me You did explain things quite well It did seem, though, that some were taking me to task for questioning a person who made plain they were unclear on the concept of whether or not Jesus sinned! This should not an issue that remains a question in any Christian's mind. Jesus did not sin.
Something you may not be aware of, though I have spoken of it before in my time on this site, is that I spent years in weekly Bible study with people who called themselves Christian, when they did not really believe much of the Bible, rejected the Deity of Christ, pooh-poohed John's gospel, belittled the "theology of Paul," and many other discrepancies that made me wonder on more than one occasion why I was even there. The ordained minister who was the "leader" of the group classified themselves as an agnostic, and also claimed they could not believe Jesus was sinless, or that if He was, He could not have paid for their sins, or anybody else's. How they came to that conclusion I do not know; I only know that it is wrong. They used a similar line of reasoning, though, as if Jesus could not know sin without experiencing it Himself.
Otherwise, I did enjoy the meetings and study quite a bit
Discussion boards such as these are set up with the express intention of allowing people to discuss what the Biblical texts say, and what is meant by the whole of Scripture, so of course, when someone says something that reveals a lack of understanding, it is going to be discussed. I find it interesting that there are those who make reference to this thread in the most disparaging terms, and then post their own criticisms as if they were somehow exempt from the labels they love to stick on others. And worse, they criticize the fact that there actually is unity and fellowship here!
You did explain things quite well It did seem, though, that some were taking me to task for questioning a person who made plain they were unclear on the concept of whether or not Jesus sinned! This should not an issue that remains a question in any Christian's mind. Jesus did not sin. Something you may not be aware of, though I have spoken of it before in my time on this site, is that I spent years in weekly Bible study with people who called themselves Christian, when they did not really believe much of the Bible, rejected the Deity of Christ, pooh-poohed John's gospel, belittled the "theology of Paul," and many other discrepancies that made me wonder on more than one occasion why I was even there. The ordained minister who was the "leader" of the group classified themselves as an agnostic, and also claimed they could not believe Jesus was sinless, or that if He was, He could not have paid for their sins, or anybody else's. How they came to that conclusion I do not know; I only know that it is wrong. They used a similar line of reasoning, though, as if Jesus could not know sin without experiencing it Himself.
Otherwise, I did enjoy the meetings and study quite a bit
Discussion boards such as these are set up with the express intention of allowing people to discuss what the Biblical texts say, and what is meant by the whole of Scripture, so of course, when someone says something that reveals a lack of understanding, it is going to be discussed. I find it interesting that there are those who make reference to this thread in the most disparaging terms, and then post their own criticisms as if they were somehow exempt from the labels they love to stick on others. And worse, they criticize the fact that there actually is unity and fellowship here!
and yes, I think we need to all realize, not everyone who professes Christ are our brother or sister..
God in flesh. Paul calls it the body of sin. He ruled over it because He is the greater One. Just as we are learning to do over our body of sin. He is our example. We have God within our body of sin too. Thank the Lord we do. So in union with Holy Spirit, we consider death applied to our body of sin, and walk free in His Spirit.