Not By Works

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In James 2:22, "faith made complete or perfected" by works means bring to maturity, carry to the end, to complete like love in 1 John 4:18. It doesn't mean that Abraham was finally saved based on the merit of his works after he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6.
Not to mention that Abraham was justified by faith looooonnnngggg before he was whacked and or had offered Isaac.....
 
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The Gospel remains under attack by works-salvationists who play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach that salvation is by grace through faith, but then redefine this in a way that is contrary to the Truth. Even though they may deny this, they teach that salvation is by "grace plus law, faith plus works." :(
Exactly and why I will post till the proverbial cows come home....I cannot stand the cafe blend false gospel of faith plus works to top off salvation.....a false gospel with no power to save a flea, much less a man.....
 
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they miss the message of Cain and Abel.

Abel gave sacrifice (a lamb gave his life for Abels offering) Cain gave the fruit of his labor.

God rejected Cains human righteousness,. And accepted Abels, Which made Cain angry, and the start of religion (works based Salvationist) HATING grace ( faith based salvationism) began, and continues even til today.
Amen.....and all false teachers are compared to three men in Jude....Cain being the first on the list....the first worker for.......and in the plenteous in number grouping that pushed works and offered works to God as his ticket to please God......
 
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Exactly and why I will post till the proverbial cows come home....I cannot stand the cafe blend false gospel of faith plus works to top off salvation.....a false gospel with no power to save a flea, much less a man.....
moooooooooooo

sorry, I had to. :D
 

BillG

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Exactly and why I will post till the proverbial cows come home....I cannot stand the cafe blend false gospel of faith plus works to top off salvation.....a false gospel with no power to save a flea, much less a man.....
What's a proverbial cow?

Does it udder proverbs:cool:
 

stonesoffire

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So what does the saved life look like after you have been saved and are a new man?

Anyone?
Happiness, full of joy and the first love, first zeal. There always seems to be this period where the world seems brighter. But, then we have an enemy still that steals and destroys. So we must be taught and equipped for battle.

Our strategy is given by our commander and chief, which may be different from another but works together in unity.
 

Tommy379

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If you are trying to obey law, you will fail. The result is condemnation, a lack of peace, and a sense of loss of His Presence.

Walk free..
Tommy said nothing about him obeying anything. Tommy wants to know what the consequences of disobedience is.

Can Tommy be saved and murder, fornicate, steal, lie, and cheat all he wants?
 
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For the op, not responding to the post, Refuse to response to silly nonsense anymore with people who continue to lie about others)

The fact is, is is posts like this right here is why this thread, and threads like it will never die. (I am beginning to think they do it on purpose to get a rise out of us which is why I think it is best we stop responding to this nonsense anymore)

1. False accusations based on false truths about what others are saying or teaching.
2. Just like Cain attacked Abel, The works people will attack the grace people. Because the same reason the pharisee attacked christ. Because of pride. The4y think because we REJECT the fact that obedience will save us, but is the RESULT of being saved, we are attacking obedience.
3. And then your final lie. This fight has been going on since Cain and even. The one who is resisting the spirit are the ones trying to do what religion has done since the beginning, Saying obedience is REQUIRED. Not that obedience is RESULT (it boasts in self) yet you say only in the last couple years? You must have been isolated.

Amen........the bigger truth....all who blend faith and works for will not make the final cut...the bible is clear...faith alone saves a man eternally at the moment of confession of said belief....those who blend works as a requirement preach a gospel.of a different kind with no power to save and one that is double cursed Galatians 1 and 3 prove this...Titus 3:5, John 3, Ephesians 2, 1st John, Romans, Jesus, Paul all stated clearly that it is faith that saves and justifies a man before God....any work, 1 work, 1 piece of fruit is the result of...not FOR OR TO CAP OFF......PLENTEOUS WILL BE THE NUMBER AND most so called religions embellish with works for, to keep to gain or top off......the gate is narrow and most reject the free offer of grace in favor of Cainology....
 
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stonesoffire

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Tommy said nothing about him obeying anything. Tommy wants to know what the consequences of disobedience is.

Can Tommy be saved and murder, fornicate, steal, lie, and cheat all he wants?
If you do all these things, you were never converted. Ok? Want more?
 
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Tommy said nothing about him obeying anything. Tommy wants to know what the consequences of disobedience is.

Can Tommy be saved and murder, fornicate, steal, lie, and cheat all he wants?
If this is true, No one can be saved, Because no one is sinless.

Why does tommy think he is better than anyone else is my question

 
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Tommy said nothing about him obeying anything. Tommy wants to know what the consequences of disobedience is.

Can Tommy be saved and murder, fornicate, steal, lie, and cheat all he wants?
1st and foremost a child of God will not live a continual lifestyle of sin without repentance at some time.....second....God chastens every son he receives up to and including the loss of reward and physical life.........
 
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Heh, good question ;) But, you should know, that David (dcontroversal) is often in Australia and in a completely different time zone than we are, in which case he is not here to post when we are posting. He was once accused of going back something like eight pages (or more?) to respond to something, but the fact of the matter is, that the post to which he had responded had been made earlier in the day, because there are times when even ten pages in this thread in one day is not unheard of. People try to fabricate all kinds of offenses to stick on him, but often they are just being ridiculous, to say the least :)

All of that is quite beside the point, that if someone posts in this thread, THEY are responsible for their actions, regardless of whether or not anyone else is posting here :)
Amen...............................
 

Tommy379

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If this is true, No one can be saved, Because no one is sinless.

Why does tommy think he is better than anyone else is my question

Tommy thinks no such thing. Tommy asked a question in a thread that has over 47k post. If you can not answer it, then do not reply to it. This is not a test. It was a question, presented in a form of a question.
 

blue_ladybug

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No one is better than anyone else.

Except for me, because I'm sinless. ;) I'm better than all of you..

LOL JK :eek: