GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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Hello Jackson
Please read post # 1952 everything is explained about the Old Covenant there to help you, maybe you can read the scriptures and pray and ask God
Your question is already answered in the post link above....
Please read post # 1952 everything is explained about the Old Covenant there to help you, maybe you can read the scriptures and pray and ask God
Your question is already answered in the post link above....
ahh, I see. you are tying Christ to the Mosaic Covenant. well, actually, that was between God and Israel only. Christ was the fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham. ( through you all the tribes of the EARTH will be blessed.) all the O.T. covenants were fulfilled in Christ. Christ is the center of God's word to man. Sinai was the center of God's covenant to Israel . there is a difference.
You already have the answer: it was grace + the Law of Moses. God's influence makes us alive to obey from the heart, by the Holy Spirit, having written the New Commandment of the Love of God in our heart; but the Law of Moses kills us. A new commandment I give to you, that you Love one another as I love you, that you also Love one another. This new commandment fulfills the 2 commandments that the Law of Moses and the prophets hang on: on the tree with Christ: In His death and Resurrection: Sin shall not have dominion for you are not under the Law but under grace. The Law of sin and death is abolished, nailed on the tree with Christ. For further understanding if your interested heck on my page other post i have replied to concerning the Law, convinced that we are free from the Law of Moses and free from the dictates of the beast that thinks to change times and laws to bring us back in bondage. At the same time its not about trying to help GOD with others who preach the Law as this preaching helps us further the freedom we have in Christ, in a round about way: if the command of the Sabbath rest is nullified as an obligation then the whole law has to be nullified as an obligation to free us to do from a willing hearth the will of God left as an inheritance, about entering permanent rest in the death and exchange of our will with Christ who carries us into His death to all that is not of God. Fascinating how those preaching the Law bring us into more freedom from the Law. "some preach Christ out of strife and contention, supposing to ad affliction to my slavery to Christ, and some out of Love and well doing."
I'm camping on Bowen Island celebrating the feast of Tabernacle, beginning at sundown today. As Jesus mentioned to His brethren, "Your time is always ready." I write this down not to forget as I came into the village to have breakfast and this should not be permitted during the feast of boots, Living on the housetop (in constant communion with God) as a reminder of living in the wilderness: will be living of what i catch fishing. "Great deliverance gives HE to His Saints." Those who have the hOLY sPIRIT praying for the Anointing to have power to be His witnesses against all oppositions. The law will not make you holy, it may make you righteous, if your not imposing yourself on others, walking in the Light you have while not willing to sell out everything including the law to Follow Christ.
so SDA not kill his member that violate sabbath law. Old covenant is a package 10 commandment and It aplication or interpretation.
For Example 4th commandment not say what punishment for violator, than a law say It is death penalty.
So the covenant in sabbath is If you not honor sabbath your penalty is death.
so If you only do honor sabbath and not kill your member that violate sabbath you violate the covenant.
For Example 4th commandment not say what punishment for violator, than a law say It is death penalty.
So the covenant in sabbath is If you not honor sabbath your penalty is death.
so If you only do honor sabbath and not kill your member that violate sabbath you violate the covenant.
Hi gb9,
If you are not apart of God's Israel then you are not a part of the NEW Covenant..............
Hebrews 8
10, for this is the COVENANT that I will make with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL after those days says the Lord; I will PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS and I will be unto them a God and they shall be my people.
Please my friend enough of this saying "it is only for Israel therefore not for me" if you are not a part of God's Israel then you are NOT a part of the NEW Covenant.
If you are NOT a part of the NEW Covenant then you are still in your SINS.
Those who practice SIN have NO part in the Kingdom of heaven.
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
If you are not apart of God's Israel then you are not a part of the NEW Covenant..............
Hebrews 8
10, for this is the COVENANT that I will make with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL after those days says the Lord; I will PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS and I will be unto them a God and they shall be my people.
Please my friend enough of this saying "it is only for Israel therefore not for me" if you are not a part of God's Israel then you are NOT a part of the NEW Covenant.
If you are NOT a part of the NEW Covenant then you are still in your SINS.
Those who practice SIN have NO part in the Kingdom of heaven.
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
one more time, you ain't my friend. I understand what Paul said about being grafted into Israel. but, belief in the Lord Jesus Christ is what saves, not keeping the Sabbath. and, I will not deny historical facts- gentiles were never under the Law of Moses. that is not my opinion, that is facts. I am not in a cult, I do not have to say or not say anything.
Matthew 5:17-18
[FONT="]17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.[/FONT]
[FONT="]18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Can someone show in scripture that this does NOT APPLY to "civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical, Levitical" law???
Can someone show, from scripture, how the law is SUPPOSED to be cut into categories and some of it done away while some of it still stands?
I don't think it can be done without some serious twisting of scripture. Because Paul explains in his epistles how EACH "category" of law is fulfilled in Christ. INCLUDING the 10 commandments.
I think everyone knows it. I think there are just a few who try to twist scripture, having the blindfold on and ear plugs in, so they can continue with their "work" at the 10 commandments.[/FONT]
[FONT="]17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.[/FONT]
[FONT="]18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Can someone show in scripture that this does NOT APPLY to "civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical, Levitical" law???
Can someone show, from scripture, how the law is SUPPOSED to be cut into categories and some of it done away while some of it still stands?
I don't think it can be done without some serious twisting of scripture. Because Paul explains in his epistles how EACH "category" of law is fulfilled in Christ. INCLUDING the 10 commandments.
I think everyone knows it. I think there are just a few who try to twist scripture, having the blindfold on and ear plugs in, so they can continue with their "work" at the 10 commandments.[/FONT]
Is a day set aside to do not our own will but the will of Yah then "ceremony"
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."
Also how are the 10 Commandment "work"
and there is this:
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]
heaven and earth did not pass.
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."
Also how are the 10 Commandment "work"
and there is this:
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]
heaven and earth did not pass.
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So then you are still under the "civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical, Levitical" and all the law and are in unbelief. You don't believe that the Lord Jesus Christ came to do what He said He would do.
The Lord said none of it would pass until ALL OF IT was fulfilled. So you are either under all of it, or you are under Grace and under none of it.
Matthew 11:28 [FONT="]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[/FONT]Hebrews 4:2-3
[FONT="]2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.[/FONT]
3 [FONT="]For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.[/FONT]
The Lord said none of it would pass until ALL OF IT was fulfilled. So you are either under all of it, or you are under Grace and under none of it.
Matthew 11:28 [FONT="]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[/FONT]Hebrews 4:2-3
[FONT="]2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.[/FONT]
3 [FONT="]For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.[/FONT]
Absolutely not!
The commandments are a portion of Exodus 20.
God is not committing Himself to any course of action either conditionally or unconditionally.
The only part of the 10 commandments that comes close to being a covenant is the 5th commandment:
Ex 20:12
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
KJV
but even that is a stretch.
The commandments are a portion of Exodus 20.
God is not committing Himself to any course of action either conditionally or unconditionally.
The only part of the 10 commandments that comes close to being a covenant is the 5th commandment:
Ex 20:12
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
KJV
but even that is a stretch.
Amen
A Good Sabbath,
Excellent post.
The old man passes away.
The right hand of falsness has no place in the Heart of the faithfull
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Putting-Off-The-Old-Man
A Good Sabbath,
Excellent post.
The old man passes away.
The right hand of falsness has no place in the Heart of the faithfull
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Putting-Off-The-Old-Man
after I watch youtube, I learn that the ten commandment is like constitution or foundation of the law, but to implement need interpretation or aplication
for Example do not steal is in the ten commandment but TC not say what is the punishment. The law explain the punishment
so It must be the law to make TC in effect.
on the sabbath, the punishment is death
If member of Israel tribe not doing sabbath, It Will be kill.
and It is not in SDA. They not kill a member that not parsitipate in sabbath, so basically SDA is not doing sabbath AS in the OT, or violate Sabbath law anyway.
for Example do not steal is in the ten commandment but TC not say what is the punishment. The law explain the punishment
so It must be the law to make TC in effect.
on the sabbath, the punishment is death
If member of Israel tribe not doing sabbath, It Will be kill.
and It is not in SDA. They not kill a member that not parsitipate in sabbath, so basically SDA is not doing sabbath AS in the OT, or violate Sabbath law anyway.
You are correct Jackson, the ones who wish to pass judgement are themselves not following the Law, and the Law is a Covenant Law, it is not separated into bits of parts a person accepts and bits a person denies.
They were neither baptized into Moses nor were we. But the tradition of mankind is to think himself approved before God by works, to boast in works, and to judge his neighbour by works. The purpose of the Sabbaths of the covenant was explicitly stated by God however: that Israel should know that it is God who sanctifies, not themselves.
They were neither baptized into Moses nor were we. But the tradition of mankind is to think himself approved before God by works, to boast in works, and to judge his neighbour by works. The purpose of the Sabbaths of the covenant was explicitly stated by God however: that Israel should know that it is God who sanctifies, not themselves.
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Marc, the entire Law is a Covenant, not individual micro-covenants. What else does this scripture mean?
Exodus 24:3-8
And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do. And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel. And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the LORD. And Moses took half of the blood, and put [it] in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar. And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled [it] on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.
It is called the book of the covenant, and the blood of the covenant, and it is the people agreeing to it, both the blessing for abiding by it and the curse for breaking it.
How is that possibly not a covenant??
Exodus 24:3-8
And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do. And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel. And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the LORD. And Moses took half of the blood, and put [it] in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar. And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled [it] on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.
It is called the book of the covenant, and the blood of the covenant, and it is the people agreeing to it, both the blessing for abiding by it and the curse for breaking it.
How is that possibly not a covenant??