The Rapture

[heartofdavid]

In the past my practice when reading Revelation is to also read Daniel and vice versa. I do not pretend to understand all of the prophesies, actually not even the majority of them, so what I feel I do understand I hold inside, just as Mary would keep things to herself that her Son would do. I do not worship Mary but I do know she is the most blessed among women, and in her own right, she was a very wise young woman and older woman.

Also, because of what the Angel said to Daniel, I am awaiting the general revelation of those words. That generation to come.
Right now I am wondering if this new proclamation about the Jerusalem being capital of Israel may ot just be a heralding of the coming tribulation, again, I am just wondering, not proclaiming.

God bless you dear brother.

Yes it is significant.
Time will tell and the GT is rapidly approaching. Too early to tell about trump and his role. He seems like a God send,and since libs hate him ,it would follow that he is right on. But,but,but... GREAT DECEPTION IS HERE. Not approaching,but here.
Look at this thread. The next great event involves the bride and bridegroom. There is almost zero chatter on it.

It is indeed part of the great deception

 

[heartofdavid]

Churches have mostly abandoned the end times teaching and study. We almost never hear of the coming rapture or the baptism in the Holy Ghost.

Man is the hot topic. How to be better. Live better, etc.

Man centered gospel.

Jesus is coming.

HE IS COMING!!!

 

[heartofdavid]

The GT only gets traction through the great deception.

The deception grew exponentially through Obama. (America failed the IQ test).

The only shield is Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

(The word illuminated)

Without that dynamic you are practically guaranteed deception.

Only one person who can not be deceived.
JESUS
All others,me included, are indeed candidates.

Your or our ability to live and operate outside deception is our ability to be like John with our ear to the saviors breast ,hearing his heartbeat.
Close intimate communion.
Full,full,full, of his word and person,mixed with Holy Ghost fire

 

[Issachar92]

Churches have mostly abandoned the end times teaching and study. We almost never hear of the coming rapture or the baptism in the Holy Ghost.

I think thats all we hear about. Especially the Holy Ghost baptism. Thats the main thing in the neo-charismatic churches which are the fastest growing denomination in the world.

 

[Endoscopy]

The 4 views on this site are nothing more that the opinions of men.
Non of them are correct. Like all commentaries, they only give the opinion of those writing them.
As we get closes to the end time, we can have a more complete understanding if we study the Scripture, current events, and pray for understanding. Commentaries are the last place to find the truth.

That is correct. The issue is that the books of Daniel and Revelation are very symbolic. There is no real Christian debate over John 3:16 for example. It is very clear. Real Christian commentaries have a very narrow view of it. Daniel and Revelation however are very murky to properly decipher. Daniel even says it is sealed and the same can be said of Revelation. Therefore the 4 different BIBLICAL views of eschatology (end times). The job of theologians is to study the Bible carefully to define the issues after reading and understanding all verses in context on the individual issues. Louis Berkhof's Systematic Theology large version does just that. He created two smaller versions of it for the general public. The largest version lists every verse considered on each subject. If you want to see all verses considered on the subject of eschatology go buy the large version.

 

[JaumeJ]

We must all be diligent to pray for God to give us each strength and wisdom for the day to come.

In my earlier post I mentioned the naming of Jerusalem as the new capital of the Israel of this age
perhaps being a harbinger of the GT.

I by no means am suggesting the GT will begin soon, but indications from the Word are pointing
to that end.

It has been apparent that the world monetary systems, system, is heading for a total collapse.

My concern is what is being left for the younger folks. From where and how I see things the legacy
of their elders for them is absolutely shameful.

Pray for all, everywhere. God bless all in Jesus Christ..

 

[Bladerunner]

In the past my practice when reading Revelation is to also read Daniel and vice versa. I do not pretend to understand all of the prophesies, actually not even the majority of them, so what I feel I do understand I hold inside, just as Mary would keep things to herself that her Son would do. I do not worship Mary but I do know she is the most blessed among women, and in her own right, she was a very wise young woman and older woman.

Also, because of what the Angel said to Daniel, I am awaiting the general revelation of those words. That generation to come.
Right now I am wondering if this new proclamation about the Jerusalem being capital of Israel may ot just be a heralding of the coming tribulation, again, I am just wondering, not proclaiming.

God bless you dear brother.

Question please......How do you know that Mary would keep things about her Son to herself and How do you know she was a very WISE woman?????????

The outcome of the USA recognizing Jerusalem as the official Capital of Israel is yet to be foreseen BUT it may just be the Hook the mouth of their neighbors that will bring into motion the beginnings of the Psalm 83 War?????

 

[heartofdavid]

I think thats all we hear about. Especially the Holy Ghost baptism. Thats the main thing in the neo-charismatic churches which are the fastest growing denomination in the world.

What source?

 

[Endoscopy]

Churches have mostly abandoned the end times teaching and study. We almost never hear of the coming rapture or the baptism in the Holy Ghost.

Man is the hot topic. How to be better. Live better, etc.

Man centered gospel.

Jesus is coming.

HE IS COMING!!!

That depends on which church you go to. Secular people have taken over the 7 sisters (7 largest protestant denominations). Gary North wrote a book Crossed Fingers ​documenting the take over of Presbyterian USA by 1932. As a result each denomination has seperate Biblical organizations. Lutherans have the Missouri Synod and Presbyterians have Presbyterian PCA for example. I met a man who was a Lutheran and visited my church. He was shocked to hear the gospel story preached. It was the first time he heard it after going to church most of his life.

 

[heartofdavid]

We must all be diligent to pray for God to give us each strength and wisdom for the day to come.

In my earlier post I mentioned the naming of Jerusalem as the new capital of the Israel of this age
perhaps being a harbinger of the GT.

I by no means am suggesting the GT will begin soon, but indications from the Word are pointing
to that end.

It has been apparent that the world monetary systems, system, is heading for a total collapse.

My concern is what is being left for the younger folks. From where and how I see things the legacy
of their elders for them is absolutely shameful.

Pray for all, everywhere. God bless all in Jesus Christ..

We are in a rapid march to a one world gov.

One world sovernty equals one world currency. A shift not a collapse,unless viewed nation to nation.
IOW,EVERONE BUT THE ELITES will loose about half their wealth. George soros will be the serpent head of the scam.

But it all is at the doorstep. So is the rapture.

 

[heartofdavid]

That depends on which church you go to. Secular people have taken over the 7 sisters (7 largest protestant denominations). Gary North wrote a book Crossed Fingers ​documenting the take over of Presbyterian USA by 1932. As a result each denomination has seperate Biblical organizations. Lutherans have the Missouri Synod and Presbyterians have Presbyterian PCA for example. I met a man who was a Lutheran and visited my church. He was shocked to hear the gospel story preached. It was the first time he heard it after going to church most of his life.

I don't see how that addresses my point.

 

[Endoscopy]

What source?

Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a controversial issue. There are two main views.
1. It happens when a person accepts Jesus.
2. It is a seperate happening and causes changes in the person.

It depends on which denomination you go to, denominational distinctives.
Most adhere to 1.
Some adhere to 2.
A very few accept both.

 

[Endoscopy]

I don't see how that addresses my point.

The fact that the 7 sisters are not Biblical is to your point. I was providing the fact that Jesus helped keep his church alive by having seperate Biblical denominations. Which denomination do you go to church in. Almost certainly not one of the 7 sisters.

 

[Bladerunner]

We are in a rapid march to a one world gov.

One world sovernty equals one world currency. A shift not a collapse,unless viewed nation to nation.
IOW,EVERONE BUT THE ELITES will loose about half their wealth. George soros will be the serpent head of the scam.

But it all is at the doorstep. So is the rapture.

The one world currency, government and religion will not happen until daniel's 70th week no matter how hard we try to make it happen. As you say, we are going very rapidly in that direction.

If the one WORLD trinity is coming soon, then so is the Rapture.

 

[JaumeJ]

We are in a rapid march to a one world gov.

One world sovernty equals one world currency. A shift not a collapse,unless viewed nation to nation.
IOW,EVERONE BUT THE ELITES will loose about half their wealth. George soros will be the serpent head of the scam.

But it all is at the doorstep. So is the rapture.

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We are definitely experiencing rapid events. My eye witness of the past time I am here has shown just how much the pulse of things has increased in speed. There is utter insanity in all western countries, but I am not so versed on the eastern.

It seems as long as certain changes in western behavior, politically that is, are tolerated by the reast of the world, the insanity must be global.

 

[Endoscopy]

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We are definitely experiencing rapid events. My eye witness of the past time I am here has shown just how much the pulse of things has increased in speed. There is utter insanity in all western countries, but I am not so versed on the eastern.

It seems as long as certain changes in western behavior, politically that is, are tolerated by the reast of the world, the insanity must be global.

In the 50s and 60s this country was mostly Christian. Since then the people attending church has dropped to around 50%. With the secularization of the 7 sisters that means only a small fraction are Christians. Catholic and Orthodox churches were immune to the secularization because their church government. Top down dictatorship type government as opposed to the bottom up more democratic method of the 7 sisters.

 

[heartofdavid]

Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a controversial issue. There are two main views.
1. It happens when a person accepts Jesus.
2. It is a seperate happening and causes changes in the person.

It depends on which denomination you go to, denominational distinctives.
Most adhere to 1.
Some adhere to 2.
A very few accept both.

The book of acts is our example.
Nothing but men and denominations have changed.
I was extremely fortunate to come into Gods family during the charismatic revival.
Awesome,awesome times.

Proving firsthand,man changed things,not God.

 

[Endoscopy]

The book of acts is our example.
Nothing but men and denominations have changed.
I was extremely fortunate to come into Gods family during the charismatic revival.
Awesome,awesome times.

Proving firsthand,man changed things,not God.

You ignore the simple fact that different Christians interpret sections of the Bible differently. They claim just like you it is written in Acts etc. There are those who believe charismatics are delusional and non Biblical because of their actions. What do you say to them? I personally believe God uses different methods to reach different people. We need to be accepting the different peripheral beliefs as long as they adhere to the Apostles Creed. That was created to define who was and wasn't a Christian. There were different beliefs that were being devisive and the Creed was created to be the test of Christianity and allowing peripheral beliefs to be issues we just agree to disagree on since they don't affect salvation. This happened in the early church and goes on today. As an adherent to Reformed Theology I have disagreements with most denominations including Catholic and Orthodox. But if they adhere to be Apostles Creed then they are my brothers and sisters in Christ.

 

[heartofdavid]

[video=youtube;s4CRvAPzxjI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4CRvAPzxjI[/video]

 

[Donmech]

I think you should be very carful who you yoke up with, not every denomination teaches sound biblical doctrine. Let me use my late friend as an example. For years I had tried to present to him the clear and simple teaching of the gospel of Christ and subsequently lead him to the Lord. Many times he would express interest and even at time approach me with questions concerning his salvation, but when the conversation got to the point of him believing and excepting Jesus Christ as his saviour, he just couldn't go through with it, he would say something like," well that's just not the way mommer-n-them done it, I need to speak in tongs and have the evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost before I can get save". For all those years the Charismatics had him believing in a works based salvation and he was on his way to a devils hell. July 4, 2017, I went see him around 7:00pm and found him lying on his carport in his underwear passed out.

After a few minutes I was able to get him up and into his house, where he wanted to talk about getting saved at which time I was finally and graciously able to lead to the Lord. The next day we took him to the hospital and after two day he passed away.
I believe he's in heaven now, however, I cant help think what blessings and a different life he could have experienced had he not been confused and miss-guided concerning salvation by false teachings. So yes, I think we should pick our associations carefully and expose false and demandable and deceitful teachings regardless of the denomination.