Is Islam Evil?

[Kay_Kay]

What about the Puritans?

Female Circumcision is a practice that predates Islam and Christianity. If you did your research you would know that. If you did more research you would find that Christian communities in Africa practice female circumcision alongside their Islam counterparts. Nevertheless, Islamic scholars and the Pope of the Coptic Christians in Egypt have said that Female circumcision should not be practiced.

On the topic of women in the clergy. That is a small minority. Roman Catholics, the Orthodox Church, and the majority of traditional Protestant denominations still refuse to ordain women to the priesthood. Did you know that their are Muslim female religious leaders in Egypt? Do your research.

Women are still discriminated against in the West. Look at the pay rate between males and females. Look at the various social and economic indicators. Please do your research.

Let's be honest here, who do you know is a Puritan?

What does it matter if it's a practice the predates Islam and Christianity, it's still happening in these places and people use Islamic influences to justify it. And that's just an example, women are constantly rejected in their civil rights under Islam.

America has the more freedom than most countries, and certainly more than Islamic countries. Where is the dispute? It's factual. There are rules put into place where women are severally limited in their rights. Just because there are some Muslim female religious leaders in Egypt doesn't negate thousands of women who will be flogged for talking to men who aren't in their immediate family!

Pay rates, oh wow, how do women in America stand the discrimination of pay rates? Such persecution is criminal.

 

[Kay_Kay]

Communism doesn't work? As a political science student I would have to disagree. China's economy has grown 10% every year from 1994-2004. It is currently the third largest economy in the world, behind Japan and the United States. It has surpassed Japan in holding United States debt. If you measure it on Purchase Power Parity then it is the second largest economy behind the United States.

In China, the homicide rate is 2.6 per 100,000 individuals. In the United States it is 5.4 per 100,000 individuals.

Also remember that it was a democracy that exploded two atomic weapons that was intentionally aimed at civilians. It was a democracy that said that African-Americans were less than human and subjected them to slavery.

I would not support China in a civil right's argument.

 

[Cleante]

Let's be honest here, who do you know is a Puritan?

What does it matter if it's a practice the predates Islam and Christianity, it's still happening in these places and people use Islamic influences to justify it. And that's just an example, women are constantly rejected in their civil rights under Islam.

America has the more freedom than most countries, and certainly more than Islamic countries. Where is the dispute? It's factual. There are rules put into place where women are severally limited in their rights. Just because there are some Muslim female religious leaders in Egypt doesn't negate thousands of women who will be flogged for talking to men who aren't in their immediate family!

Pay rates, oh wow, how do women in America stand the discrimination of pay rates? Such persecution is criminal.

I will agree to disagree. We have departed from a Theological viewpoint. Also, Coptic Christians are using Christianity to endorse female circumcision. If you're going to go after Female Circumcision, do not single out one actor. Go after all the actors. It is mainly a cultural phenomenon, not a religious one. The earliest Greek Papyri that speaks of the action is from 136BC.

I would encourage you to lose the sarcastic attitude and do some actual research. You are quick to dismiss the past actions of misogyny of "Christian" countries yet dwell on how "Islamic" countries practice misogyny. Your hatred of Islam has shown itself and in order to have an academic and objective, which means fairness, nonpartisanship, you cannot allow passions like yours to get in the way.

It is true that America has more freedom than most, but how and why did America decide to pursue those freedoms. To escape from an oppressive past, both from outside sources and internal domestic sources. Women were constantly rejected their civil rights in the past in "Christian Countries." Ethnic minorities were considered sub-human in "Christian Countries." Slavery to Jim Crow, these are all perfect examples.

The Arab world has a long way to go but they are marching their way to progress. Did you know that there are women CEO's in Iran? Female physicians in Jordan. The list goes on. Do yourself a favor and view these videos.

YouTube - Women Rights in Middle East with Queen Noor - Queen Noor on Women's Rights in the Middle East.

YouTube - QueenRania's Channel - This is Queen Rania of Jordon's youtube Channel. You could learn a lot from her.

Women make only 75.5 cents for every dollar that men earn, according to a new release by the U.S. Census Bureau. Between 2002 and 2003, median annual earnings for full-time year-round women workers shrank by 0.6 percent, to $30,724, while men’s earnings remained unchanged, at $40,668. The 1.4 percent decrease in the gender wage ratio is the largest backslide in 12 years (since 1991). The 2003 Census data also show the first decline in women’s real earnings since 1995.

 

[bobie]

Islam is a religion, its the people who makes it evil. No point going through what they wrote in the Al Quran coz the one and true way is through Christ, our Lord.

If people do evil things in the name of a religion that doesn't make the religion evil. It means that people do evil things. Suicide bombers proclaiming the name of Allah don't make Islam any more evil than the Crusaders made Christianity evil. Why don't we stop blaming God, religion, faith and take responsibility for our actions?

Islam is not evil by virtue of the fact that fanatics have hijacked it for their own evil agendas. The same could be said of Christianity. Now, I have not studied the Koran so I can't quote you sura and verse of what it says. But I have met several Muslims who have studied the Koran and they are all lovely people. They decry those who have used Islam as an excuse to murder others. That is not the message of Islam.

Just because Islam goes against the doctrines of Christianity: Jesus is Messiah, Jesus is God, does not make it evil. Christians say Muslims follow a false prophet. Muslims say the same about Christians. Christians claim to have the only way to heaven. Muslims make the same claim. Because the two cannot agree, one must necessarily be evil?

I don't know about making others jealous for Christianity, but calling every other religion out there evil and saying that their followers are followers of the devil is not the way to do it. You're more likely to push people away than draw them in. What's so attractive about Christianity if it promotes hatred of other people and beliefs? Is that how disciples are to be made of all nations? Tell them their religion is evil and they're followers of the devil and salvation is found in no one else but Jesus? Good luck with that.

So are you guys trying to say that muslim people misinterpret their own holy book which makes them think that could act violently against who who don't agree with them!?

 

[bobie]

salammmmmmmm
iam a Muslum girl . all i can say to u ,read Qur'an and decide for youself . what Islam about.
by the way our greeting in Islam is Assalum Alykum = peace be upon u all .
one more thing, i do believe that Islam and true Muslims in the safe side always bcz we belive in all books ,prophets and messangers that preceeds Islam
unlike other religions .We love Moses ,Juses and Mohammad and we don't differnciate between them . i respect others' religions & beliefs
May God = Allah guide us all his right path

i have a question tho! how come muslim people don't treat women as their equal? you're a woman too am i right so you might be able to answer my question! also what do you think about this type of matter? peace

 

[bobie]

oh and u have (vote) also woooooow
hmm would u like us to vote is jesus is evil or not???
u silly
get a live
and by the way
i am not muslim
but i graw in islamic family
if u really wanna talk this way about islam then u must know that this way u push non chrstians away
no one will lesten to u if they saw u talking badly about others
u can talk about your nice belive without trying to put others dawn.

Is it wrong to ask questions? I live and almost grew up in the United States so i believe in freedom of speech as long as not to the point of degrading anyone.

 

[bobie]

oh and u have (vote) also woooooow
hmm would u like us to vote is jesus is evil or not???
u silly
get a live
and by the way
i am not muslim
but i graw in islamic family
if u really wanna talk this way about islam then u must know that this way u push non chrstians away
no one will lesten to u if they saw u talking badly about others
u can talk about your nice belive without trying to put others dawn.

Is it wrong to ask questions? I live and almost grew up in the United States so i believe in freedom of speech as long as not to the point of degrading anyone. if there's a poll asking if Jesus is evil i would simply answer No since i believe that he's our lord and savior! and not gonna go crazy and hate the person who made the poll!

 

[PeaceBeUponYou]

Blessed be He in Whose hands is Dominion; and He over all things hath Power;
He Who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving [Quran 67:1-2]

Wow, just came back from work ... and ... Woww ... I`m speechless !

We all know that the forum is a place for mutual benefit, but ... there is so much ignorance in some previous posts ... Ignorance does not benefit anyone ... !
However, May God reward all of us for one thing... for spending time on His sake. but are we ? or ... ?

I`ll try to correct as much false-claims as I can, it might take some time ...There are SO MUCH !
by then, i`ll leave you with some Interesting quotes :


And follow not ( i.e., say not) that of which you have no knowledge. Verily ! hearing, and the sight, and the heart, of each one of you will be questioned ( by God) [Quran 17:36]

Blessed be He in Whose hands is Dominion; and He over all things hath Power;
He Who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving [Quran 67:1-2]

 

[kostik]

What is Islam? Do they believe That Jesus Christ died for all people's sins? If they don't then i will vote that they are Evil.

 

[Consumed]

makes me wonder if Jesus would be happy that we are trying to win them to Him by just attacking them

 

[PeaceBeUponYou]

Do not treat people with contempt, nor walk insolently on the earth. Allah does not love the arrogant or the self-conceited boaster. Be modest in your bearing and subdue your voice, for the most unpleasant of voices is the braying of the ass.[Quran 31:18-19]

Islam is evil from the start because it is a false religion. As such it teaches erroneous ideas as to the nature of God and of man. It promotes immoral actions.

It uses immoral ideas to promote support.... suicide bombers being promised a host of virgins in eternity, etc.

as if at the time of the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), they were used to use explosive devices and airplanes. Suicide is an Anti-islamic behavior ... there is a verse that clearly states that it is forbidden ! I dare you to find me a verse in the Quran that says suicide is lawfull or promotes it. The killing of innocents is an Anti-Islamic behavior, and I got many verses in mind to back up my sayings.

And recite to them the story of Adam's two sons, in truth, when they both offered a sacrifice [to Allah ], and it was accepted from one of them but was not accepted from the other. Said [the latter], "I will surely kill you." Said [the former], "Indeed, Allah only accepts from the righteous [who fear Him]. If you should raise your hand against me to kill me - I shall not raise my hand against you to kill you. Indeed, I fear Allah , Lord of the worlds. Indeed I want you to obtain [thereby] my sin and your sin so you will be among the companions of the Fire. And that is the recompense of wrongdoers. And his soul permitted to him the murder of his brother, so he killed him and became among the losers. Then Allah sent a crow searching in the ground to show him how to hide the disgrace of his brother. He said, "O woe to me! Have I failed to be like this crow and hide the body of my brother?" And he became of the regretful.Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land- it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors. [Quran 5:27-32]

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Anything that goes against/varies from God's word is evil. So that includes the Islamic beliefs in my opinion.

That is interesting! and Where can we find God's word ?
you`re gonna tell me in the Bible, Muslims gonna tell me it`s in the Quran, Jews gonna tell me it's in the Torah ...
so where are we to find God's word ? and how are we suppose to recognize that These words are from God?
These are interesting questions people shall be asking themselves ! and for those who feel able to answer to these questions ''Where ? and How are we suppose to recognise that these words are from God ?''
Just do it, try ... this subject deserves a specific thread and I might have a lot to learn as well as a lot to share

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But personally I find Islam evil due to what it does to their followers. In Islamic countries women are treated like TRASH, and that isn't speculation or bias, that is fact. I shutter to read reports from Africa and the Middle East where women are mutilated and punished for no other crime than just being born female. Islam is the scapegoat for a lot of atrocious behavior because it does have a lot of anti-women "scriptures" in their religious text.

MUTILATION, yea that's an Islamic practice, and that isn't speculation or bias, That is FACT !
I feel really sorry for you, you`ve been completely overwhelmed by falsehood !
Mutilation is NOT an Islamic practice ... Why do you speak and spread things on wich you have no SURE Knowledge? How can we expect truth to prevail over falsehood with this type of behavior. Mutilation ...huh!?

Are muslim womens opressed ? Ask my mom, she will tell you
or ask my sister, she will tell you
or ask those who converted to Islam, most of them are Womens, they`ll tell you !

Quran teaches us: women are a garment for you and you are a garment for them
it also makes a strong statement: The best amongst you [man] are those who threat Best their wifes

Mutilation... wow...
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God shows favor to those who show good judgment.

Muslims do not believe Jesus is God, they believe he was a good prophet and a good man, but not God. The rejection of Jesus Christ as Lord is not acceptable, so perhaps "evil" is a good way to explain Islam because ultimately it destroys the soul.

All muslims accept Jesus as the Messiah, son of Mary.

[Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet. And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive. And [made me] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant. And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive." That is Jesus, the son of Mary - the word of truth about which they are in dispute. It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is. [Jesus said], "And indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path." [Quran 19:30-36]


All muslims believe Jesus performed miracles by God`s permission. but we do not consider Jesus to be God or part of a God. And if I am here, it is to learn more on How you guys reason ? how you think ? how you use your brain? how you see things ? and how you understand the trinity ?
by the way, does any one of you really knows how this trinity thing works ? Seriously, I don`t
and i`ve been talking with many christians friends and they either do not understand how the Trinity works,
Trinity is a Mystery of Mysteries, since it is the case, I wonder why would God reveal something We can NOT understand and Link it to our salvation ?

I pray to The Compassionate, The All-Merciful, The Absolute, The Pure One, The Source of Peace, The Inspirer of Faith,The Greatest, The Forgiving, The Knower of All, The Just, The Judge, The Seer of All, The All-Aware, The All Comprehending, The Perfectly Wise ... I pray to He who possess the Beautifulest names.
Islam brings peace to the soul.
When I pray to the All-Merciful and to the All-Hearing, I pray to the same God as YOURS, unless your God is not the All-Merciful, the All-Hearing ?

That is why i prefer the Quranic Jesus, the Quranic God
Jesus is a true prophet of God! He performed miracles by God's permission.
We have the same God, Your Creator is my Creator, the only difference is that we do not worship Him in the same and proper way.

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Princess (?),

There are some who deny Jesus ever existed, in spite of the evidence. There are those who deny that He is the Son of God. But only an idiot would ever suggest that Jesus was some how evil. There is too much evidence to attest to his superior ethics and morality.

Mohammed on the other hand... wow...

Those who do not believe in Jesus do ! They moke him, claim he is a bastard, a liar and a deceiver.
What was the reaction of the jews when he performed miracles, when he gived the sight to the blind and healed the leper. They said it was only deceiving magics ! they said he was an Evil man and claimed it was because he made an alliance with evil forces that he did what he did.

but a muslim will NEVER EVER dare claim that Jesus is a false or evil messenger. in fact, Muslims do help to spread a Good Image of Jesus Christ, not only He, but all the prophets in Islam are considered to be as Role Models, therefore their ethics and morality gotta be Right.
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I would rather be refused to vote than have my clitoris cut out to remain "pure", it's a very common practice in Africa and the Middle East. (If you look it up you'll find modern cases, this isn't a practice that ended in "1919" or in the Victorian Era.) It's common knowledge that women are treated badly in Islamic countries.

Mutilation ...

Yea !

Islam in itself may not be viewed as "evil" because it's just a religion. But any religion that is not Christianity is false, and any man who is not saved is in darkness, and any man in darkness will go to Hell. Islam is a tool to Hell, and ultimately that is evil.

I live in the real, not the ideal.

Abraham was neither a "Jew" nor a "Christian", but was one who turned away from all that is false, having surrendered himself unto God; and he was not of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside Him. [Quran3:67]

 

[estherliewan]

Number one There is a HUGE difference between ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY!!! Every one believes no matter which religion you are ,there is always a goodness in a religion however. No religion teaches bad things.

Secondly DOES ISLAM HAS THE ASSURANCE OF SALVATION? Are you sure you'll be going to heaven? Out of all religions there is no assurance of salvation that you will be in heaven after you die except for Christianity!

Another Question? Why are muslims in this websites ? Are you trying to spread the word of Islam over here? Prove to me that If anyone one of us die we can go to heaven?

 

[estherliewan]

Trinity? God is never alone. Trinity is where by God the father, God the son and Holy spirit and in One. Is 1=3 . That is also another problem. Why questions the trinity? Yes Jesus is the son of God. Many muslims argue this context just to trapped us and convert to Islam. But remember in History Bible came before Koran. And actually In bible we have Injil. Why Islam rejects Injil? What makes you think that the Injil is corrupted ? The Injil is the most important part of all for Christians and muslims or Islam has never recognized this matter.Because Injil tells us that there is a hope where by we have a hope. Does Islam have it? Yes when I asked them why God made you ? To worship him. But many people haven't realized that Christianity IS not just a religion but is whereby we can restore our relationship with God. We Christians believe in the origin of sins ( not even muslims and judaism).It is because of sin we are separated from God. It was Jesus Christ and that is only through him Our relationship with God is restored. What about Muhammad? yes he is the Last prophet that is in Islam. Yeah went to the Cave and receive revelations from Angel Gabriel. But what does this proves? Prophet Muhammad just claim but no prove.( Yes you might be saying the prove is in AL-QURAN). As a matter a fact he doesn't know how to read and write. Even prophet Muhammad himself says that he's not sure If he will go to heaven.

But Jesus gave us an Assurance that anyone who believes in HIM SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. John 3:16.

This is the truth. Christians have hope and assurance of Salvation. But I didn't say Islam is a bad religion. But If I am not mistaken , The AL-Quran says if anyone wants to go straight to heaven they need to practice Jihad.

Another thing is that why do you only pray Five times a day and also with specific area with specific directions -Qibla- (yeah represents five pillars).In Christianity we can come to The Father (God) any time we can, no specific areas or how many times to pray. We can pray any time and any where we wanted because we already have relationship with God. We don't need to perform Hajj to go to Mecca every year just go there and touch the stones and Kaaba because we have a relationship with God. And doing you think by doing all these you will go to heaven? and what's with the 7 levels of heaven and 7 levels of Hell. Heaven is Heaven and Hell is Hell. There is only 2 destinations after we die either Heaven or Hell ( and no such thing as 7 levels of heaven and 7 levels of Hell).

One more thing, Why is it that heaven is place fill with Honey and Milk and Men get 72 virgins? Heaven to us is that to have fellowship with God and brother and sisters in Christ what difference does it make ? In heaven there is no marriage and we have new bodies unlike our physical bodies we have . In heaven we are perfect because heaven is place without sin.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

From the position of Christian theism, the violence found in Islam is evil. Violence in Islam, whether in the form of terrorism, or the persecution goodwill around the world to know that underneath all the political, of Christians and other minorities in the Muslim world, or capital punishment for an individual who turns away from Islam, or death threats on Salman Rushdie for allegedly insulting prophet Muhammad, are not simply some isolated incidents or aberrations from the true and peaceful seriously than at any other time in the past.

Muslims murdered 80,000,000 Hindus, for example, during an expansion period into India which Will Durant, the famous historian, summed up like this:
"The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history." Though I think Dr. R. J. Rummel, the professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii who is a recognized and published expert on the subject of religious and political democide, argued that state atheism superceded it with a figure of 262 million diminished in the 20th century. The point; however, is that such violence goes to the very roots of Islam as found in the Qur'an and the actions and teachings of the prophet of Islam himself. It's no accident that we find Osama bin Laden quoting Qur'anic and hadith passages as his justification for murder.

Consider compulsory public education in Saudi Arabia includes lessons for children such as The Victory of Muslims Over Jews." According to a tradition from prophet Muhammad, "The last hour won't come before the Muslims would fight the Jews and the Muslims will kill them so Jews would hide behind rocks and trees. Then the rocks and trees would call: oh, Muslim, oh, servant of God!" Violence and murder are ingrained in the religion.

Ideas have consequences. It has also become very clear for our world that violent ideas have violent consequences. We are not engaging in old Christian-Muslim polemics when we point out the prevalence of violence throughout the foundations and thus subsequent history of Islam. We only expose the teachings in the most original and authoritative sources of Islam. Underneath all the political, social, and cultural causes for the rise of violence among Muslims, there is a religious foundation for violence deeply embedded within. The world needs to take the challenge of Islam seriously.

Allah's Apostle said, "Know that Paradise is under the shades of words."

Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says,'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me..."

It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he has made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land..."

"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Etc...​

 

[juliet84]

Well, I dont mean to judge anybody or anything, and if so, pls forgive me,..im just gonna share with u the major reasons why i changed my faith from being a Muslim to being a Christian...

1. My prayers had NEVER been answered while i was a Muslim, as opposed to now, whereby everytime I asked from The Lord, He would answer me (in accordance to His Will)

2. From my experience as a Muslim before, when I took Islamic Studies classes, or watch any Islamic preaching, the preachers, or teachers whatever u call it, always condemned other people who had a different faith than Islam. I find it annoying rather, and it is not attractive at all because instead of condemning other people, why not focus on building character within their own people. I have been to church and watch church online, it amazes me that none of the preachers ever convict other faith or people who follow other faith. Instead, they are focusing on improving lives as a Christian and teach people about Jesus by not comparing it with other beliefs.

3. I am impressed with God's Words in the Bible in which I dont find it in the Koran. For example, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1), etc...
4. I find that Islam focus on so much of punishment, and not so much of forgiveness. For example, if you commit adultery, u will be stoned to death. Yet in the Bible, Jesus forgave a woman who commited adultery in John 8.

5. I find that Islam is a forceful belief. I was born a Muslim and I have to stick with the belief, and cant change it. If I do, I will be persecuted (at least in my country). So now, I am practising my faith in Jesus in secret.

 

[jjkg]

Any belief system that offers paths to heaven other than the truth that Jesus Christ came to reveal and die for is a false religion and has its roots in the thoughts of man and of demons. Even the Pharisees, in Christ's time, were called out by Jesus and were told their father was the devil because they were following their own deceptive beliefs. In a world that prioritizes political correctness over truth, many, if not billions, will say it's wrong to say that Islam is evil, but once again, any type of system that would keep people from knowing and understanding the salvation from their sins through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is a deception from the evil one himself into the ears and hearts of those that took the time to listen.
"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." - Ephesians 6:12
One important thing to remember is that while we were still in our sins, Christ died for us, and likewise, he also has died for them although they still do not know Him. We must place on them the same value that He placed on us even before we became part of His family. We must, on one hand, stand up against any deceptive system while on the other, embrace it's people with the same love all the while speaking the love and saving power of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

 

[estherliewan]

Juliet I thank you for sharing your experience in this website. I'll pray for your life and I know is never easy for a muslim convert to live in a country and be persecuted. I know because of our country's law, but I am also still praying for my muslim teacher who is just like you I am not sure if the bible has open her heart. Anyway Cheer 2010 will be here in July and reported in The Star newspaper. She's the teacher in for Pirates Cheerleading Team. So sorry it wasn't in English newspaper but Harian Metro.

 

[juliet84]

thanks esther btw, can i read it online? send me the link to my email

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Forgive my misspelling of a Muslim quote. My keyboard is on the blink and I have to get a new one. Allah's Apostle said, "Know that Paradise is under the shades of words." SHOULD READ: Allah's Apostle said, "Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords." The S was missing.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I've messaged the moderator to take down all my posts in this thread. My posts were never meant for any Muslim to see. No Muslim needs to respond to my posts as they were all "For non-Muslims only".

The Moderator should remove them in due course when they log on.