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PJW

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Notice how everything with you is about "exalting yourself as sinless" and debasing others as sinful. The difference between you and honest believers is they confess their sin (1 John 1:9), whereas you say you have no sin, deceive yourself, and the truth is not in you (1 John 1:8).
I noticed that everything from you seems to be about you "exalting your service to sin" and debasing the obedient to God.
I confessed my sins, and by the grace of God was equipt with everything I need to "never fall" (2 Peter 1:10)
That grace is available to you too.
 

PJW

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Yes I caught that

1 John 1:7
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

The word that I find interesting here is FELLOWSHIP.

I have said it before and I will say it again.
You do come accross with no view to fellowship but to condemn those of us who do not agree with you.
Those who placed their faith in Jesus and admit that they are not perfect and get it wrong you accuse them of being servants of sin and not in Jesus, and even though you haven’t said it, but by reference they are going to hell.
Are you going to cuss at the guy rowing the boat while you are about to drown in the ocean?

Yet you neglect
1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
Well I say you neglect but of course you do not.
You make it fit to your belief that you are sinless.
You don't believe that John is addressing two manners of walk.
One in the light, and the other in darkness.
Those in the darkness cannot say they have no sin.
Those in the light can say they have no sin, because ALL the sin has been washed away and they remain in the light...which is God.
 

PJW

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So given your last response a beliver a person can go from A to B and back from B to A.
Am I understanding you correctly? If so then then a beliver can in fact sin. And go from A to B, B to A and do the hokey coky and turn around.

Are you continuously in A?
If a person moves from the light, he was never in the light. Those born of God cannot bear evil fruit/sin.
Those in the darkness can repent of sin, be washed with the blood of Christ and walk in the light, which is God.
A return to sin would manifest a false repentance, and you can't build fellowship with God using lies.
I am continuously in the light, which is God.
 

mailmandan

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I wouldn't know what the "self-righteous" think.
Not surprised to hear you say this. Self righteous people are deceived.

It is music to the ears of those that love God above all else.
Yeah right. More boasting. :rolleyes:

To "say you have no sin (present tense), and deceive yourself, and the truth is not in you" (1 John 1:8) does not equate to love God above all else. It appears that you are in love with the idea of loving God above all else, yet continuing to exalt yourself as sinless in a boastful way and debasing others as sinful in a demeaning way is a manifestation of loving God above all else? :eek:
 

mailmandan

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I noticed that everything from you seems to be about you "exalting your service to sin" and debasing the obedient to God.
Straw man argument.

I confessed my sins, and by the grace of God was equipt with everything I need to "never fall" (2 Peter 1:10)
That grace is available to you too.
Proverbs 24:16 - For a righteous man may fall seven times And rise again, But the wicked shall fall by calamity.
 
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I don't think so.


Jesus probably took baths too: are you going to disagree because "it isn't written"?
He probably sharpened wood working tools too, but we can't prove it from scripture.
If you can't imagine God getting offended, how do you explain the final judgement?
Matt 13:41 says... "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;"
"Offend" who?
Absolutely I will disagree with you........and I am still waiting on a verse which states God gets offended in context...the above does not quite meet the bill......it is not implying that God was offended....you should try context.......
 

PJW

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Wait a minute. Is your point that we don't have a sin nature? If so, then I would agree. That is flesh which has been circumcised through the power of God.
I don't know about "we", but mine was crucified and buried with Christ.
I was raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. A life with a divine nature.

Our problem is our mind being renewed and habits. I have acted out as if I wasn't dead to sin, then thought why did I do this? It's not what I want to do.
If your original motive for conversion was sorrow for past sins and to be free of sin and completely pleasing to God, then you are either not praying or reading enough.
You may not have moved away from the people or things that attracted the now dead and gone "you".

If you are saying this, I agree. But, if you think you are perfected this way?
I dont have an opinion. Not sure I could make a judgement on this, for I don't really know what exactly Paul was calling the high calling. Yet.
I think I'll ask the ministry I follow. This couple does move in the miraculous.
First question to ask them is..."Do you commit sin?"
If they say "yes", run as fast as you can.
If they say "no", ask them the explain 1 John 1:8.
 

PJW

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Who has ever said that they dont believe there is such a thing as sin?
Well, if nobody said that, and you claim they did. You know what that spells? That spells B-A-D N-E-W-S for your sinless perfection weaksauce theology.
I think it was one of the gnostic-Greek false teachings John fought.
It is never written of, so only further study will achieve the info' you need.
Get back to us with your findings, please.
 

PJW

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Not surprised to hear you say this. Self righteous people are deceived.

Yeah right. More boasting. :rolleyes:

To "say you have no sin (present tense), and deceive yourself, and the truth is not in you" (1 John 1:8) does not equate to love God above all else. It appears that you are in love with the idea of loving God above all else, yet continuing to exalt yourself as sinless in a boastful way and debasing others as sinful in a demeaning way is a manifestation of loving God above all else? :eek:
Oh well...
If obedience to God so offends you, perhaps you should try a new hobby and can all that Christian righteousness crud.
 

preacher4truth

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Which is sadder? Thinking you're sinless or allowing someone to stay here who repeatedly makes those claims?
It's not just that, PJ, I mean, PJW,goes around and calls others lost as well. Seems really familiar, sort of like PJ never really left by way of banned camp and is still here claiming sinless perfection and others as lost. :D
 

PJW

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there I fixed it for you
I thought it was against the rules to "edit" another man's post?

I forgive you.
Sometimes cruelty is masked as comedy.
If you start to walk in the light, such comedy won't be useful to you anymore.
You are in my prayers.
 

PJW

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It's not just that, PJ, I mean, PJW,goes around and calls others lost as well. Seems really familiar, sort of like PJ never really left by way of banned camp and is still here claiming sinless perfection and others as lost. :D
Nobody is "lost" till after the final judgement.
There is still time to turn from sin and get washed by the blood of Christ.
Don't waste the rest of your days defending sin.
 
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Oh well...
If obedience to God so offends you, perhaps you should try a new hobby and can all that Christian righteousness crud.
.....

No one here is offended by obedience to God, praise the Lord if you are walking in obedience.
What people are worried is your false teaching that we can live sinless in this present age. The false gospel is what worries us, not the obedience part.
Everyone here is cheering people on in their sanctification and obedience, can I get an amen? Who here is against obedience? I havent heard of any yet.
 
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as MMD has stated, and this is the REAL TRUTH,
(CONFESSION AND REPENTANCE) when we fail our Saviour,
are the ONLY things that can bring us into His Presence...

this is where every True Christian abides by...
 

Hizikyah

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Awmein!

Psalms 96:1-13, “96:1, “Sing to יהוה a new song, Sing to יהוה, all the earth!"96:2, "Sing to יהוה, bless His Name, Proclaim His deliverance from day to day."96:3, "Declare His esteem among the nations, His wonders among all peoples."96:4, "For great is יהוה and greatly to be praised, He is to be feared above all mighty ones."96:5, "For all the mighty ones of the peoples are matters of naught, But יהוה made the heavens."96:6, "Excellency and splendour are before Him, Strength and comeliness are in His set-apart place."96:7, "Ascribe to יהוה, O clans of the peoples, Ascribe to יהוה esteem and strength."96:8, "Ascribe to יהוה the esteem of His Name; Bring an offering, and come into His courts."96:9, "Bow yourselves to יהוה, In the splendour of holiness/set-apartness! Tremble before Him, all the earth."96:10, "Say among nations, “יהוה shall reign. The world also is established, immovable. He judges the peoples in straightness.”"96:11, "Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; Let the sea roar, and all that fills it;"96:12, "Let the field exult, and all that is in it. Let all the trees of the forest then shout for joy,"96:13, "At the presence of יהוה. For He shall come, For He shall come to judge the earth. He judges the world in righteousness, And the peoples with His truth.”
 
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Obviously you cannot read nor understand context....

False converts...who will be burned, and real ones that will enter into paradise.
I will suffer the loss of those I thought loved my God, but I will enter in.
 
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I don't recall ever using this site before my join date.

Perhaps the obedient aren't as outnumbered as you hope?

Don't fool yourself...your not as righteous as you think or portray yourself to be...
 
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Saying "I don't recall" is tantamount to lying, and is almost universally used to avoid telling the truth while simultaneously attempting to cling to a piece of false truth.

In this person's mind they haven't really sinned, they have merely chosen to forget a truth.

It is the same kind of deception he has used when he tried to slice and dice Scripture to say that Peter was NOT being a hypocrite in Galatians 2.

Incredible the mental gymnastics one must go through to try and convince themselves that they never commit sin.

AMEN....like a politician....I have no recollection of that Senator.......I fully agree with your assessment....
 
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yes, this person is a 'returning-banned-one',
anyone recognize who this is???

this brings great sadness, by showing us that some just cannot stand
correction or true teaching from those who have given over their very lives
to obeying and serving their Holy Master...

please pray for all who 'kick against the pricks'...
 
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