Not By Works

[loveme1]

THEY THOUGHT they loved him. They did not. Jesus said they did works in Gods name, and it sounded like mighty works. Not just a few righteous deeds. But many,

Since Jesus never knew them, they NEVER had a relationship.

Religion and relationship are not the same. Only those who have a relationship are saved.

Which one’s were told to depart? The obedient or disobedient?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I wish I knew what you are talking about.
Someones twitter account is a public domain site.
There attitude to others is a public domain issue.

I just posted links to it, and said it appeared to be a consistent life style.
This is just observations.

The sin was lying about it, and inventing and fabricating excuses.
The proof of the reality is in deleting the account to remove the evidence.

My whole point about hacking an account, if you cannot change the contents,
and are offended, you get rid of it. Now this has happened, it is obvious this
was a choice by the owner of the account, and is a result of this interaction here.

What is amusing is how much these things matter.

For a group who claim to live without rules or condemnation, swearing is obviously
a deeply offensive sin. On the scale of heaven and hell, who is evil and who is not,
I did not know this was your touch stone, lol.[/QUOhim

You do not see the possibility that he deleted it so that we would not be subjected to those awful posts any more by others insisting on posting them? Maybe it pained him that we had to be subjected to that. That you thought it good TO subject us to that.

Even those of us who love him but try not to have too much conversation with him because we are afraid of his sharp tongue do not believe what you have tried to get us to believe. Your campaign has failed. The man has said his account was hacked and we believe him. There may very well even be conversation about how this is true somewhere else that is dated prior to these past few days. In fact, there probably is. But he doesn't have to defend himself. He already has a Defender.

 

[Zi]

DC owes no one on here anything. He doesn't have to explain what happened on his account. He like you belong to God.

You searching something out and bringing attention to it says more about you than it does him.

It's easy to assume. But.. to the pure all things are pure..

Had your heart been clean you wouldn't have sought to accuse..

You brought him before everyone.. much like the crowd with the adulterous woman.

I think you miss the point I made.
Lying about your life style and way of behaving on twitter does not commend you to anyone.
The simple evidence was the public testimony of ones own account.

You are trying to tell me, someone who obviously behaves in one way, then denies it is not
in trouble, and we should lovingly just say, oh, no problems there, you are not who you
actually are.

It makes a farce of what you guys call truth and walking with the Lord.
If this is how you believe walking with the Lord is, I want nothing to do with it.

I can imagine a number of you are thinking of me full of lead about now, lol.
This is how lost you guys really are.

 

[notmyown]

I tell you what P Mom.. find the post where I have said a person is Justified by their own works.. show where I tell a person to circumcise their own heart? To Love GOD first to be saved?

no, my dear friend! i was agreeing with you! ♥

 

[Zi]

I'm not laboring for anything.. you go ahead..

Shall we tell GOD He is wrong? I think not. It is Believing first and foremost.. because my dear we are to labour in love to be found worthy to walk in white.. to have our works found Perfect by the Lord that saved us unto His good works..

 

[VCO]

i understand your feelings have been hurt, and i am sorry for it.

you still had a Biblical responsibility to go about it in a Biblical way, whether or not there was public information.

If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. (Matt 18:15)

aannnd it's not as if, in this specific instance, you were sinned against.
i'm just saying, for a guy who preaches all about the luv, you didn't really show it here.

I already read his response to your very good post. Shocking wasn't it. He doesn't know what you are talking about, when you point out that he is not showing love here. Then he refuses to recognize that what he did by posting that link was pure evil. And then at other times he posts very biblical sonding posts. It reminds me of Jekel and Hyde.

 

[loveme1]

no, my dear friend! i was agreeing with you! ♥

No.. you agree with GOD as do I..

 

[Snoozy]

if i believed in full works based salvation id be neurotic. its like luck of the draw u hope u die without a wrong tohught in ur mind its so scary.

come on guys. even before Jesus look at all the things that happened in the old testament. i bet some of u holier than thou people here would condemn david moses and especially samson to hell. or say they lost their salvation.

 

[loveme1]

I'm not laboring for anything.. you go ahead..

Well.. may you one day see that Love is a Doing Word and GOD deserves to be Loved.. and if all we have is Love.. then may we give it all with gladness and grattitude..

 

[PeterJens]

I wish I knew what you are talking about.
Someones twitter account is a public domain site.
There attitude to others is a public domain issue.

I just posted links to it, and said it appeared to be a consistent life style.
This is just observations.

The sin was lying about it, and inventing and fabricating excuses.
The proof of the reality is in deleting the account to remove the evidence.

My whole point about hacking an account, if you cannot change the contents,
and are offended, you get rid of it. Now this has happened, it is obvious this
was a choice by the owner of the account, and is a result of this interaction here.

What is amusing is how much these things matter.

For a group who claim to live without rules or condemnation, swearing is obviously
a deeply offensive sin. On the scale of heaven and hell, who is evil and who is not,
I did not know this was your touch stone, lol.[/QUOhim

You do not see the possibility that he deleted it so that we would not be subjected to those awful posts any more by others insisting on posting them? Maybe it pained him that we had to be subjected to that. That you thought it good TO subject us to that.

Even those of us who love him but try not to have too much conversation with him because we are afraid of his sharp tongue do not believe what you have tried to get us to believe. Your campaign has failed. The man has said his account was hacked and we believe him. There may very well even be conversation about how this is true somewhere else that is dated prior to these past few days. In fact, there probably is. But he doesn't have to defend himself. He already has a Defender.

Stunned - You really do not understand when people call you satanic, sending people to hell
there is no way back really for them.

Do you know the far right and believers linked to them?
Just put one of those guys with a make up job, and you see some represented here.

What these guys believe is this is heaven and hell warring over cc, and we are on the
side of hell, and they will sacrifice anything to win.

I am sure advice was given and executed to keep the image right.
They are so blind they do not even know the game in which they are playing.

And to me it does not matter, because they are not the ones counted, but the
chosen of the people of God. The only issue that burdens them is not good works
or blessings but how to win the argument, which they seem not to do.

As I have said, we are simply called to live Holy lives.

If you cannot live a holy life you do not know God.

This seems very blunt, but that is what scripture is saying.
Jesus cleanses and purifies us, so we are Holy and capable of following our Lord.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What work can I do to make my election sure?

You tell us, why do you insist salvation can be lost, or defend people who teach the same?

 

[gb9]

I have to laugh a bit.
What speaks is not what I said but what I was pointing to.

I made no judgements, positive or negative. It was totally up to the reader to make
up their mind as to the reality.

People all over the world lead lives where certain impressions or approaches would cause
problems for others to see. As long as people stop leading a double life and start behaving
well, amen. It is between them and the Lord which life style or approach they take.

Repentance is actually choosing the right approach and valuing good things above evil ones.
Amen to walking in the ways of Jesus. May your fruit be good, and many fed on the love
and goods works one shares with others.

well, you judge yourself to be sinless ( wrong ) everyday, so their is a false judgement. no one is sinless.

 

[loveme1]

You tell us, why do you insist salvation can be lost, or defend people who teach the same?

Now.. do i insist salvation can be lost? Or do you insist that I insist?

 

[dcontroversal]

Do you honestly think those that Love Him and do what He teaches are the ones told to depart? Faith that worketh by Love.. not Faith without love..

People claim to love God and do all sorts of works in his name...the text itself proves that they were not saved even though they were going through the motions.....

 

[PHart]

Okay. So which sins cause you to lose salvation and which doesnt? The ones in 1 Corinthians 6:9?

Sin can not separate the believer who continues to trust in Christ for forgiveness from salvation because through his continuing belief he has the blood of Christ to cleanse away that sin. You lose salvation by moving away from Christ in unbelief. You lose your salvation by no longer trusting in Christ. The condemnation of the sins committed afterward is the result of losing the salvation that used to protect you from that condemnation:

"If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God." (Hebrews 10:26-27 NIV 1984)

This is not talking about the devout believer's struggle with sin (if it was, we'd all be sunk--well, most of us anyway, lol). This is talking about the deliberate, conscious decision to abandon trust in Christ in a contemptuous 'I don't care' attitude. The believer who does that no longer has the protection of Christ's salvation to deliver him from the just penalty of his sins. The unbeliever who does that never had that protection in the first place anyway.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Which one’s were told to depart? The obedient or disobedient?

What determines if one is obedient or not?

Is a religious person who obeys Gods commands, and follows all these religious works. Yet does not Know Christ in a personal relationship obedient or disobedient?

Jesus said they did all these works in Jesus name. Was Jesus lieing or not?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Now.. do i insist salvation can be lost? Or do you insist that I insist?

You defend people who teach it.

As for you? Can you answer the question or not? You never seem to answer when people ask you.

Do you believe salvation can be lost? Yes or no?

 

[Snoozy]

Sin can not separate the believer who continues to trust in Christ for forgiveness from salvation because through his continuing belief he has the blood of Christ to cleanse away that sin. You lose salvation by moving away from Christ in unbelief. You lose your salvation by no longer trusting in Christ. The condemnation of the sins committed afterward is the result of losing the salvation that used to protect you from that condemnation:

"If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God." (Hebrews 10:26-27 NIV 1984)

This is not talking about the devout believer's struggle with sin (if it was, we'd all be sunk--well, most of us anyway, lol). This is talking about the deliberate, conscious decision to abandon trust in Christ in a contemptuous 'I don't care' attitude. The believer who does that no longer has the protection of Christ's salvation to deliver him from the just penalty of his sins. The unbeliever who does that never had that protection in the first place anyway.

u know what. what about that Jesus said all who the Father gives me i will lose none? how does it work in ur belief? or is it just metaphor?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

People claim to love God and do all sorts of works in his name...the text itself proves that they were not saved even though they were going through the motions.....

It says he never knew them also. They were never saved as some insist.

 

[dcontroversal]

It says he never knew them also. They were never saved as some insist.

Fully agree.........