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I have to laugh a bit.
What speaks is not what I said but what I was pointing to.
I made no judgements, positive or negative. It was totally up to the reader to make
up their mind as to the reality.
People all over the world lead lives where certain impressions or approaches would cause
problems for others to see. As long as people stop leading a double life and start behaving
well, amen. It is between them and the Lord which life style or approach they take.
Repentance is actually choosing the right approach and valuing good things above evil ones.
Amen to walking in the ways of Jesus. May your fruit be good, and many fed on the love
and goods works one shares with others.
What speaks is not what I said but what I was pointing to.
I made no judgements, positive or negative. It was totally up to the reader to make
up their mind as to the reality.
People all over the world lead lives where certain impressions or approaches would cause
problems for others to see. As long as people stop leading a double life and start behaving
well, amen. It is between them and the Lord which life style or approach they take.
Repentance is actually choosing the right approach and valuing good things above evil ones.
Amen to walking in the ways of Jesus. May your fruit be good, and many fed on the love
and goods works one shares with others.
I had a friend many years ago who was a terrorist in his youth.
He grew up in the orange lodge, and learnt hatred to catholics. This led to him planting a bomb
in a pub, and killing many. A few years later he met an elderly lady who led him to the Lord.
He became a fisherman and later worked in a christian evangelistic organisation for which I also
worked.
He dedicated himself to scripture and commentaries.
One time a team which he was leading went to a prison and he preached on how Christ had
reached into his heart and shown him love and transformed him. He gave an call to repent
and 140 prisoners gave their hearts to the Lord.
So God moves in people of many different positions and nothing is static.
It is why the light is important, and just showing where we are, and where we can get to
makes a real difference. Not in a condemning way, but just asking, is this where you want
to be?
He grew up in the orange lodge, and learnt hatred to catholics. This led to him planting a bomb
in a pub, and killing many. A few years later he met an elderly lady who led him to the Lord.
He became a fisherman and later worked in a christian evangelistic organisation for which I also
worked.
He dedicated himself to scripture and commentaries.
One time a team which he was leading went to a prison and he preached on how Christ had
reached into his heart and shown him love and transformed him. He gave an call to repent
and 140 prisoners gave their hearts to the Lord.
So God moves in people of many different positions and nothing is static.
It is why the light is important, and just showing where we are, and where we can get to
makes a real difference. Not in a condemning way, but just asking, is this where you want
to be?
You know sometimes things are not always as they appear.. the amount of people who I have met through at first disagreeing.. when actually we misunderstood each other.. is ample. And iron sharpens iron.
Proverbs 27
1Boast not thyself of to morrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth.
2Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.
3A stone is heavy, and the sand weighty; but a fool's wrath is heavier than them both.
4Wrath is cruel, and anger is outrageous; but who is able to stand before envy?
5Open rebuke is better than secret love.
6Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
7The full soul loatheth an honeycomb; but to the hungry soul every bitter thing is sweet.
8As a bird that wandereth from her nest, so is a man that wandereth from his place.
9Ointment and perfume rejoice the heart: so doth the sweetness of a man's friend by hearty counsel.
10Thine own friend, and thy father's friend, forsake not; neither go into thy brother's house in the day of thy calamity: for better is a neighbour that is near than a brother far off.
11My son, be wise, and make my heart glad, that I may answer him that reproacheth me.
12A prudent man foreseeth the evil, andhideth himself; but the simple pass on, and are punished.
13Take his garment that is surety for a stranger, and take a pledge of him for a strange woman.
14He that blesseth his friend with a loud voice, rising early in the morning, it shall be counted a curse to him.
15A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike.
16Whosoever hideth her hideth the wind, and the ointment of his right hand, whichbewrayeth itself.
17Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
18Whoso keepeth the fig tree shall eat the fruit thereof: so he that waiteth on his master shall be honoured.
19As in water face answereth to face, so the heart of man to man.
20Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.
21As the fining pot for silver, and the furnace for gold; so is a man to his praise.
22Though thou shouldest bray a fool in a mortar among wheat with a pestle, yet will not his foolishness depart from him.
23Be thou diligent to know the state of thy flocks, and look well to thy herds.
24For riches are not for ever: and doth the crown endure to every generation?
25The hay appeareth, and the tender grass sheweth itself, and herbs of the mountains are gathered.
26The lambs are for thy clothing, and the goats are the price of the field.
27And thou shalt have goats' milk enough for thy food, for the food of thy household, and for the maintenance for thy maidens.
Proverbs 27
1Boast not thyself of to morrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth.
2Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.
3A stone is heavy, and the sand weighty; but a fool's wrath is heavier than them both.
4Wrath is cruel, and anger is outrageous; but who is able to stand before envy?
5Open rebuke is better than secret love.
6Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
7The full soul loatheth an honeycomb; but to the hungry soul every bitter thing is sweet.
8As a bird that wandereth from her nest, so is a man that wandereth from his place.
9Ointment and perfume rejoice the heart: so doth the sweetness of a man's friend by hearty counsel.
10Thine own friend, and thy father's friend, forsake not; neither go into thy brother's house in the day of thy calamity: for better is a neighbour that is near than a brother far off.
11My son, be wise, and make my heart glad, that I may answer him that reproacheth me.
12A prudent man foreseeth the evil, andhideth himself; but the simple pass on, and are punished.
13Take his garment that is surety for a stranger, and take a pledge of him for a strange woman.
14He that blesseth his friend with a loud voice, rising early in the morning, it shall be counted a curse to him.
15A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike.
16Whosoever hideth her hideth the wind, and the ointment of his right hand, whichbewrayeth itself.
17Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
18Whoso keepeth the fig tree shall eat the fruit thereof: so he that waiteth on his master shall be honoured.
19As in water face answereth to face, so the heart of man to man.
20Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.
21As the fining pot for silver, and the furnace for gold; so is a man to his praise.
22Though thou shouldest bray a fool in a mortar among wheat with a pestle, yet will not his foolishness depart from him.
23Be thou diligent to know the state of thy flocks, and look well to thy herds.
24For riches are not for ever: and doth the crown endure to every generation?
25The hay appeareth, and the tender grass sheweth itself, and herbs of the mountains are gathered.
26The lambs are for thy clothing, and the goats are the price of the field.
27And thou shalt have goats' milk enough for thy food, for the food of thy household, and for the maintenance for thy maidens.
Yeah.....not quite........I suggest a re-evaluation of your stance........Peter was saved, immersed and being disciple by JESUS.....your cart before the ox dogma misses the mark by about 20 light years....
The natural man cannot receive, understand and or spiritually judge the word of GOD...JESUS told PETER before the 50th day, which was the Holy Spirit taking the place of JESUS and empowering the church collectively that FLESH AND BLOOD HAD NOT taught him or instructed him in his UNDERSTANDING of WHO JESUS was......
You should take more time and think about your stance before you post....many things disagrees with your view....
The natural man cannot receive, understand and or spiritually judge the word of GOD...JESUS told PETER before the 50th day, which was the Holy Spirit taking the place of JESUS and empowering the church collectively that FLESH AND BLOOD HAD NOT taught him or instructed him in his UNDERSTANDING of WHO JESUS was......
You should take more time and think about your stance before you post....many things disagrees with your view....
yes, think about this for a moment. did you go to Dave personally and privately? first?
did you seek to restore him in a spirit of gentleness? did you get the story straight before publishing it?
...for the record, Dave, i believe you, and i'm sorry about all this nonsense.
did you seek to restore him in a spirit of gentleness? did you get the story straight before publishing it?
...for the record, Dave, i believe you, and i'm sorry about all this nonsense.
To be honest, dc - I do not know his real name or identity, had already denied anything
was true or real. This was a public denial of something that appeared different.
Once this is in the public domain and the denial has been made, it is no longer a private
affair. And being honest, this is not a terrible issue or even something that wrong.
It is though something that strangely was an issue to the person themselves.
They really cared about how people felt about them.
Now if I felt hurt that people think me evil, deceitful, spiteful, full of hatred, doomed to hell
I would not come here. What I honestly feel is why are they so extreme and antagonistic?
The answer appears to be in what they believe and who they hate.
The spanish inquisition murdered people based on these emotions, and the Nazis sent many
christians to their deaths because of such ideas.
It should be a warning, that love and the Holy Spirit, the bible and knowing Jesus do not stop
people from commiting and falling into sin and blasphemy.
When we are most certain, we are often most vulnerable to going to an extreme.
And whoever dc is, he has no desire to talk to me or even interact, which he has made very
clear for years now, lol.
God bless you all, because in all things we bring our hearts and desires before the King to
build His Kingdom in truth and honesty.
I think the way you are thinking is binary.
You can sin as much as you like, it does not lose your salvation.
Salvation is a relationship, living and alive. If you love the Lord you will not desire
to do evil and sin, and will be driven to repentance and humbleness.
If you continue to willing and knowingly sin, you will destroy your faith and love for
the Lord and leave Him.
And I know from past experiences with people who ask the questions you are asking,
you will repeat I have not answered you, which is annoying, because I have.
But it explains this delusion and denial of how relationships work.
Can a husband love his wife while still having affairs and betraying the trust and honour
they have together? If they live as brother and sister, maybe, but not man and wife.
You can sin as much as you like, it does not lose your salvation.
Salvation is a relationship, living and alive. If you love the Lord you will not desire
to do evil and sin, and will be driven to repentance and humbleness.
If you continue to willing and knowingly sin, you will destroy your faith and love for
the Lord and leave Him.
And I know from past experiences with people who ask the questions you are asking,
you will repeat I have not answered you, which is annoying, because I have.
But it explains this delusion and denial of how relationships work.
Can a husband love his wife while still having affairs and betraying the trust and honour
they have together? If they live as brother and sister, maybe, but not man and wife.
Look....at the end of the day there is but one truth concerning everything in the bible...not two, three or 50.....Everything we believe goes to the root full stop.
The following represent the gambit of "gospels" found on this site.
a. Saved by grace through faith eternally with disciples that produce either works of gold, silver, precious stones or wood hay and stubble yet saved eternally
b. Saved by faith and kept or embellished by some sort of work, labor, law keeping, sacrament, baptism, church affiliation, sinless perfectionism, give the dog a bone addition etc....
The bible is clear, Galatians is clear....to embellish, add to, take away fro JESUS and FAITH into his work = a false gospel
A false gospel WILL NOT SAVE
PLENTEOUS in number will come before the throne
a. Claiming to KNOW JESUS <---JUST AS ALL so called believers DO
b. They will CLAIM their right to enter based upon their LISTED works in HIS NAME <--JUST as ALL Christian religion DO
Namely-->GOOD works (covers any and all good works done in his name), CASTING out demons in HIS NAME, foretelling the future in his NAME.
They are cast from his presence...WHY?
a. THEY WERE NEVER SAVED WHICH GOES TO THE ROOT OF THEIR BELIEF<---I NEVER KNEW YOU
JESUS said the wheat and tares grow together.......YOU can do 50 trillion "good works for JESUS" cast out demons, foretell the future, go to church 3 times a week your whole life, be moral, decent, pay your taxes, claim to be sinless, sing in the choir and a special every Sunday, give 50% of your income to the offering plate, and any other religious deed, creed or work your whole life and still bust hell wide open IF YOU HAVE NOT BELIEVED THE ONE AND ONLY ONE WAY INTO THE KINGDOM.
IT pleased GOD by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE THEM THAT BELIEVE.
The following represent the gambit of "gospels" found on this site.
a. Saved by grace through faith eternally with disciples that produce either works of gold, silver, precious stones or wood hay and stubble yet saved eternally
b. Saved by faith and kept or embellished by some sort of work, labor, law keeping, sacrament, baptism, church affiliation, sinless perfectionism, give the dog a bone addition etc....
The bible is clear, Galatians is clear....to embellish, add to, take away fro JESUS and FAITH into his work = a false gospel
A false gospel WILL NOT SAVE
PLENTEOUS in number will come before the throne
a. Claiming to KNOW JESUS <---JUST AS ALL so called believers DO
b. They will CLAIM their right to enter based upon their LISTED works in HIS NAME <--JUST as ALL Christian religion DO
Namely-->GOOD works (covers any and all good works done in his name), CASTING out demons in HIS NAME, foretelling the future in his NAME.
They are cast from his presence...WHY?
a. THEY WERE NEVER SAVED WHICH GOES TO THE ROOT OF THEIR BELIEF<---I NEVER KNEW YOU
JESUS said the wheat and tares grow together.......YOU can do 50 trillion "good works for JESUS" cast out demons, foretell the future, go to church 3 times a week your whole life, be moral, decent, pay your taxes, claim to be sinless, sing in the choir and a special every Sunday, give 50% of your income to the offering plate, and any other religious deed, creed or work your whole life and still bust hell wide open IF YOU HAVE NOT BELIEVED THE ONE AND ONLY ONE WAY INTO THE KINGDOM.
IT pleased GOD by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE THEM THAT BELIEVE.
i understand your feelings have been hurt, and i am sorry for it.
you still had a Biblical responsibility to go about it in a Biblical way, whether or not there was public information.
If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. (Matt 18:15)
aannnd it's not as if, in this specific instance, you were sinned against.
i'm just saying, for a guy who preaches all about the luv, you didn't really show it here.
you still had a Biblical responsibility to go about it in a Biblical way, whether or not there was public information.
If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. (Matt 18:15)
aannnd it's not as if, in this specific instance, you were sinned against.
i'm just saying, for a guy who preaches all about the luv, you didn't really show it here.
That is just your theory that you believe and share. It does not say to the New Spirit within a person.. choose an option.. it does not contain the Words of Everlasting life Mr DC..
The Spirit within given by GOD is not touched at all.
Give me GOD’s Word through the Messiah’s Testament and elaborated on through the New Testament and then the Lord’s Word in Revelation where I must choose an option to be saved.. or don’t propose such things.. you will be held accountable of every word you speak in His Name.. as will we all.
There is no good in any of our words.. they are shared to bear witness of GOD’s Word for His Glory.. but the above is another doctrine to come between men and GOD’s Word.
The Spirit within given by GOD is not touched at all.
Give me GOD’s Word through the Messiah’s Testament and elaborated on through the New Testament and then the Lord’s Word in Revelation where I must choose an option to be saved.. or don’t propose such things.. you will be held accountable of every word you speak in His Name.. as will we all.
There is no good in any of our words.. they are shared to bear witness of GOD’s Word for His Glory.. but the above is another doctrine to come between men and GOD’s Word.
Hatred. They people hate pharisees, have a deep loathing, animosity, are hurt, desire
revenge, and are willing to do anything to get one over on people so labelled.
Jesus in the sermon on the mount praises those who put His words into action.
He then condemns those who do not do what He says and says of those who
do evil, "Evil doers" he never knew them.
Now take note, ofcourse evil doers will change the words and the meanings
of what Jesus is saying, because they are the ones judged.
But dear friends, fellow brothers and sisters, the spiritual realities remain,
they do not know Jesus, and Jesus does not know them.
It has never been about opinion or persuasion, but about spiritual reality.
A blind man cannot suddenly see, or one not full of the Holy Spirit suddenly
wake up and walk in the things of God.
And primarily it does not matter. Those who are called will listen to the Lord.
cc has convinced me of this, where otherwise I would think it is just a matter
of opinion or perspective, it is much more profound.
So God bless you, and may we learn how to walk and follow our Lord and master
Jesus Christ, who did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped but
laid down His life for us, so that we might become Children of the Living God.
revenge, and are willing to do anything to get one over on people so labelled.
Jesus in the sermon on the mount praises those who put His words into action.
He then condemns those who do not do what He says and says of those who
do evil, "Evil doers" he never knew them.
Now take note, ofcourse evil doers will change the words and the meanings
of what Jesus is saying, because they are the ones judged.
But dear friends, fellow brothers and sisters, the spiritual realities remain,
they do not know Jesus, and Jesus does not know them.
It has never been about opinion or persuasion, but about spiritual reality.
A blind man cannot suddenly see, or one not full of the Holy Spirit suddenly
wake up and walk in the things of God.
And primarily it does not matter. Those who are called will listen to the Lord.
cc has convinced me of this, where otherwise I would think it is just a matter
of opinion or perspective, it is much more profound.
So God bless you, and may we learn how to walk and follow our Lord and master
Jesus Christ, who did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped but
laid down His life for us, so that we might become Children of the Living God.
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Not sure what theory you speak of....the truth bears out in my last post and yes the words eternal and everlasting are both tied unto LIFE based upon belief into the finished work of Christ on our behalf.....they were religious people who had never trusted into JESUS biblically.....there is but one GOSPEL and if you do not come by that door...you will not make it!
So many here share their Faith in the Lord to be told they serve a false Prophet and have a False Gospel.. you can not serve a verse or two of Paul’s writings and proclaim all who Love and obey the Lord will be told to depart.. If it were not so serious it could be laughed off.. but it is deadly serious...
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yes, think about this for a moment. did you go to Dave personally and privately? first?
did you seek to restore him in a spirit of gentleness? did you get the story straight before publishing it?
...for the record, Dave, i believe you, and i'm sorry about all this nonsense.
did you seek to restore him in a spirit of gentleness? did you get the story straight before publishing it?
...for the record, Dave, i believe you, and i'm sorry about all this nonsense.
Peter went for the throat. Trying to discipline something that affected no one in the chat room. And everyone knows it was not with the right intensions, it was like a kid who had dirt on this bully he he has been trying to destroy for months, and he spouts off without investigating first. The problem is it came back to bite him.
I appreciate your zeal and don't want to offend, but to ask a question regarding scripture.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matt. 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
From your understanding, what is "That Day a reference to?
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matt. 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
From your understanding, what is "That Day a reference to?