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My friend, a wolf comes to destroy, but the sheep to build people up.
Do you know how much scripture is dedicated to encourage us to love and good works?
At least 50% of it.
So everyone who is encouraging people to praise God and Jesus and push on to righteousness,
love and purity is speaking from God. It is His heart and passion.
Somehow you have got turned around into a condemning group, who are happy to attack and
destroy based on things of the faith.
So I encourage you my friend, believe in Christ and walk in His ways, in humbleness, holiness and
a pure heart. And there we will all find fellowship, one with another and with God.
Amen.
Do you know how much scripture is dedicated to encourage us to love and good works?
At least 50% of it.
So everyone who is encouraging people to praise God and Jesus and push on to righteousness,
love and purity is speaking from God. It is His heart and passion.
Somehow you have got turned around into a condemning group, who are happy to attack and
destroy based on things of the faith.
So I encourage you my friend, believe in Christ and walk in His ways, in humbleness, holiness and
a pure heart. And there we will all find fellowship, one with another and with God.
Amen.
J
Already have been always will for I am not ashamed of him and can actually "admit my sins" and "see that I sin" yet knowing this I serve Jesus without a pride in myself nor a lieing to myself,your actions have found you out,if you want to lie some more to yourself so be it,as for those who "Actually believe in Jesus and trust him" we shall tort such evil every time.
Dcon is not an idol to me, or anyone else here for that matter. Besides there IS more than one David Dixon on Twitter. I checked. And even if that IS him on Twitter, his post there has no reason to be put on here by you.. You only did that to sling mud on someone's name.. How unChrist-like.. I wouldn't blame Dcon if he goes and digs up some dirt on you somewhere. I'm sorry but I do hope you're banned for doing this..
The onslaught of Peter is uncalled for.
Go talk with DC establish what the Truth is and support Him.
Love, Truth and forgiveness is Victory in Christ through our GOD.
Time to exercise this and for all any of us know it may be a turning point for all of us to unite in Christ for GOD’s Glory and ever Praise.
Go talk with DC establish what the Truth is and support Him.
Love, Truth and forgiveness is Victory in Christ through our GOD.
Time to exercise this and for all any of us know it may be a turning point for all of us to unite in Christ for GOD’s Glory and ever Praise.
It is irrelevant whether the quote is from Dcon or not. I have done and said many disgusting things as a Christian. Sadly most have. I am not proud of it, but I do apologize for the offense and say I'm sorry.
What IS RELEVANT is that you deliberately sought out damaging information against someone for the purpose of hurting him.
Troubling that you are not being led to see your offense by the Holy Spirit to make amends.
What IS RELEVANT is that you deliberately sought out damaging information against someone for the purpose of hurting him.
Troubling that you are not being led to see your offense by the Holy Spirit to make amends.
Oh my dear VCO...
We can kill the flesh-old man instantly, by the means illustrated by Paul in Romans 6:3-6 and Col 2:12.
Water baptism is our "immersion" into Christ's death...our own death with Him.
But it doesn't stop there, as we are buried with Jesus and then raised with Christ to walk in newness of life.
As Peter wrote..."baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins."
The product of remission is a sin free man.
If your prior repentance from sin was true-real, there is nothing on earth mightier than God that can force you back into the darkness.
Good question...
When Jesus spoke these words, He was alluding to the "crucifying of the flesh".
Since His resurrection, we now can take part in that final crucifixion, killing the old man and being reborn of God's seed.
A slightly different take on it is written of by Paul in Rom 8:13 and Col 3:5....
"[FONT="]For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do [/FONT]mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live"
"Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:"
I read "mortify" as "keep dead".
God's Comforter will help us stay in the light, Spirit, if we continue to obey Him.
You are correct...in this relationship between pre-resurrection men and God.
But post-resurrection men can, no, must kill the old man in order to be reborn.
I appreciate your concern, but the ways of righteousness and the manifestations of Jesus' conquest of sin are in no wise "bad news".
We can kill the flesh-old man instantly, by the means illustrated by Paul in Romans 6:3-6 and Col 2:12.
Water baptism is our "immersion" into Christ's death...our own death with Him.
But it doesn't stop there, as we are buried with Jesus and then raised with Christ to walk in newness of life.
As Peter wrote..."baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins."
The product of remission is a sin free man.
If your prior repentance from sin was true-real, there is nothing on earth mightier than God that can force you back into the darkness.
Good question...
When Jesus spoke these words, He was alluding to the "crucifying of the flesh".
Since His resurrection, we now can take part in that final crucifixion, killing the old man and being reborn of God's seed.
A slightly different take on it is written of by Paul in Rom 8:13 and Col 3:5....
"[FONT="]For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do [/FONT]mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live"
"Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:"
I read "mortify" as "keep dead".
God's Comforter will help us stay in the light, Spirit, if we continue to obey Him.
You are correct...in this relationship between pre-resurrection men and God.
But post-resurrection men can, no, must kill the old man in order to be reborn.
I appreciate your concern, but the ways of righteousness and the manifestations of Jesus' conquest of sin are in no wise "bad news".
Your very first line, you twist. Making the word by, void. So that alone discounted your whole post to me and I read no further.
Do you realize that Paul and James had a dispute?
And Paul came to a realization that he was only going to preach Christ and Him crucified. Not by our faith, we are saved....we are saved by His blood sacrifice. He died for all the world. But, faith in the message is what will give us the benefit of the Cross.
So preach reconciliation and let the Holy Ghost do the judging of the heart. And the work of our salvation daily.
What has happened to the simplicity of the gospel of Jesus Christ?
That which Dcon...preaches.
Do you realize that Paul and James had a dispute?
And Paul came to a realization that he was only going to preach Christ and Him crucified. Not by our faith, we are saved....we are saved by His blood sacrifice. He died for all the world. But, faith in the message is what will give us the benefit of the Cross.
So preach reconciliation and let the Holy Ghost do the judging of the heart. And the work of our salvation daily.
What has happened to the simplicity of the gospel of Jesus Christ?
That which Dcon...preaches.
So here you have it brothers and sisters. Do not be deceived by this individual preaching a sinless perfection doctrine that cheapens God's perfect standard and is designed to make the true believer feel guilt that he isn't perfect. Follow how this point went from post post and see the pride and really lying that this man engages in:
From post 41503:
Originally Posted by PJW
[/B]No. I have not committed any sins since my conversion.
I was "converted" from a sinner to a non-sinner.
I don't see the words "sin" or "hypocrisy" mentioned in Gal 2.
Peter's "blame" stemmed from his giving credence to continued submission to parts of the law that were no longer in effect.
Thousands of other Jews were still using the law in Jerusalem: do you think they were all sinners?
If the sign says, "Don't use hair dryer in the bathtub", do you suppose everyone is doing so?
To infer that all Peter's "brothers" commit sin is erroneous thinking.
If a supposed brother manifests his service to sin, our forgiveness of that man will be his first step into belief, as the sin itself showed he wasn't submitted to God in the first place.
My pride in in God, and His Son Christ Jesus, who has saved me from service to the destroyer of men.
Well there's your problem!! You must be reading a different Bible. Here is Galatians 2, where Paul calls Peter and the other Jews with him HYPOCRITES!
Galatians 2: 11 Now when Peter[a] had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, FEARING those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you[b] compel Gentiles to live as Jews?[c]15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
So whether intentional or not, you have just lied, and on Scripture! Please tell me how you can now rationalize this lie in your mind.
Not only was Peter being a hypocrite, but he was being untruthful (lying) about the Gospel!! How on earth are you able to twist in your mind that he wasn't sinning!?
From post 41503:
[/B]No. I have not committed any sins since my conversion.
I was "converted" from a sinner to a non-sinner.
I don't see the words "sin" or "hypocrisy" mentioned in Gal 2.
Peter's "blame" stemmed from his giving credence to continued submission to parts of the law that were no longer in effect.
Thousands of other Jews were still using the law in Jerusalem: do you think they were all sinners?
If the sign says, "Don't use hair dryer in the bathtub", do you suppose everyone is doing so?
To infer that all Peter's "brothers" commit sin is erroneous thinking.
If a supposed brother manifests his service to sin, our forgiveness of that man will be his first step into belief, as the sin itself showed he wasn't submitted to God in the first place.
My pride in in God, and His Son Christ Jesus, who has saved me from service to the destroyer of men.
Well there's your problem!! You must be reading a different Bible. Here is Galatians 2, where Paul calls Peter and the other Jews with him HYPOCRITES!
Galatians 2: 11 Now when Peter[a] had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, FEARING those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you[b] compel Gentiles to live as Jews?[c]15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
So whether intentional or not, you have just lied, and on Scripture! Please tell me how you can now rationalize this lie in your mind.
Not only was Peter being a hypocrite, but he was being untruthful (lying) about the Gospel!! How on earth are you able to twist in your mind that he wasn't sinning!?
I use the King James bible, and those words are not in it.
You lost me there.
No matter how you feel about me, the message that you too can live without sin does not hinge on the behavior of anyone but yourself.
God has made a way to live without sin.
If you can't believe me, quit sinning and then God will hear your prayers for a different messenger.