If that's true then there's no hope for any of us, including you my friend.
I have never come across a believer who thinks grace is a "license to sin". That may be the thought of the world, but not the thought of a new creature in Christ.
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If that's true then there's no hope for any of us, including you my friend.
I have never come across a believer who thinks grace is a "license to sin". That may be the thought of the world, but not the thought of a new creature in Christ.
You're of the same ilk of those false accusers mentioned in Romans 3:8. Through the same misunderstanding and rejection of the true Gospel, you slander others with false accusations in ignorance. (If it is perhaps ignorance)
its of little wonder why people snub the church today.
If we can’t love each other how on earth are we going to love those who want to know Jesus.
Broken, hurt and needy people.
John 13:34-35 (NKJV)
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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PHart
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Oh, and if anybody wants to argue that God keeps us from doing or believing anything that can cause us to forfeit our salvation that's still saying that one can lose their salvation, it's just that God won't let us do that.
So, which is it folks? Is grace a license to sin in that there is nothing you do or say or believe that can forfeit your salvation, or does God makes sure we don't do that which can forfeit our salvation? I might start a poll on this in another thread.
Either answer obliterates popular OSAS teaching. So let's just go with the Bible says folks: You are saved as long as you are believing.
Compromising the Gospel isn't "love." No apologies.
Perhaps some should go sign the ECT document and Manhattan Declaration.
Philippians 1:7, 16.
Perhaps some should go sign the ECT document and Manhattan Declaration.
Philippians 1:7, 16.
Cant say I have either.
I have come accross a few who take sin lightly though.
Also come across many many people who are at the opposite end.
They carry the guilt and cndemnation of their sin with them, then end up trying to work it off.
Very sad as either way it affects our relationship with a Father who loves us so much.
He wants us to come to him and be truthful and when we do he can then walk with us in our situations.
He is a God of love and restoration.
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PHart
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'Ilk' is a derogatory term. Is this how you should be talking to people you consider unbelievers?
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PHart
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There is a way to speak the truth in love. Growing up in Christ means to stop using the truth as an excuse to beat up on people who you consider unbelievers or who simply do not believe your doctrine.
3for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?" (1 Corinthians 3:3 NASB)
Now I don't claim to have some kind of gift of discernment, but I will say I have learned that wherever the spirit of offense is you are in fact dealing with a specific kind of person.
"Ilk" is derogatory eh? You don't know the definition, nor what you're talking about.
What is derogatory are your false accusations on others, and slandering them as per Romans 3:8, just like those in Paul's day.
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PHart
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We have to talk to people with respect and calmness, if for no other reason than we may find out one day that we do not have as much as the truth as we think we do. And that won't be as humbling if we have been in the habit of sharing what we thought was the truth with kindness and humility instead of with dogmatic, hateful arrogance.
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PHart
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I laughed to myself the day you brought this passage up because it is exactly what I was thinking in my mind about you folks who make grace a license to sin. If you read the passage honestly and carefully he's condemning them for having that attitude from his teaching.
Oh, and now go look up the definition of derogatory and then tell me you did not mean to use 'ilk' that way.
Romans 3
1What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
5But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) 6God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world? 7For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? 8And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
Read the verse with the Jewish unbeliever in mind.. not Phart who believes in Christ as per His witness..
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joefizz
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When one is losing ground to walk on one get's desperate.
PHart same as well consider who was being spoken of.. if we all say we believe we are not outwardly circumcised or unbelievers.. GOD forbid any mouth should confess Grace is a licence to sin.. Grace is a licence to do good through Faith.
Christ's Spirit is the Spirit of defense. The Spirit of grace. . We defend the faith of Christ that comes from hearing God by His faith that does work in us to both will and perform his good pleasure( imputed righteousness) Its what hyper grace does forgive the one eternal wage of sin.
Reducing the wage to a slap on the hand or in the corner you go, is not getting under the authority of God's word.
Sitting judgement of his law of grace accusing some as using it as a license to sin is not getting under its authority to forgive.
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joefizz
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uh huh so when it is written that satan is the father of lies and this world that is just an error,yet freedom is here,as I recall our "freedom" ascended into heaven and is coming back and all those who serve him "honestly" and "faithfully" shall be free from not only sin,but death,and the second death.
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joefizz
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considering you "amazing grace" is rather about you and accusing others no thanks I'll walk with the "only true God" and "trust in Jesus" and "let" the holy spirit guide me and not my own knowledge as you have clearly demonstrated you follow your "own" knowledge,rather then "actual wisdom".
Um, he's answering an argument and objection to the Gospel. Obviously you don't know Romans, or you'd know this to be his methodology in his magnum opus.
Therefore, you yourself slanderously accuse, just as those in Romans 3:8, of whom Paul is addressing by way of argumentation against those of your same ilk.
I've already given you the definition of ilk, it means the same kind, the same family. You can't even own you were wrong there as well. So, what you're really doing is using willful ignorance to not concede as ongoing slander.
Anyone here can look up the word ilk, it isn't derogatory.
